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That ADC With the Greed

BattleMage130902··2 votes·1,238 views

(Me As Ekko) Tp's botlane level 5 W's onto adc and supp Full combo Both almost dead (Vayne) Flash tumble auto's Auto's DOUBLEKILL

Conversation that Ensues: Me: ... Vayne: Im ADC I need the kills to carry Me: Ok. Lets get turret Pushing Turret First Blood I take half a wave of cs before backing Vayne: Get off my cs seriously Me: U wot m8 Vayne: Stop taking my cs you fucktard Me: Dude I setup the double and lost a whole wave to get you this turret can I take 10 cs? Vayne: No I'm ADC all the kills and cs are mine you're just a stupid tank

How often does this happen to you people?

11 Comments

Primaquarius1 votes

A stupid tank that will save Vayne's stupid ass later in that match with major CC peeling

Immortal spax1 votes

Its Vayne, nothing strange, 90% of Vayne "mains" are just Gosu's fanboys who wants to emulate him, dreaming to one day to marry with their waifu.

The other 10% are Diamonds adcs who knows how trash is Vayne so they neither bother to play her

Fudg cicles1 votes

I guaranee you lost that match, due to vayne taking your cs, you not being able to get tanky as fast as you could have, unable to provide proper peel, due to lack of cs, would most likely get blamed by adc as well for not being tanky enough.

50% of matches.

Morality Coach1 votes

The Vanye is technically right but he probably should have just retreat pinged you instead of BMing. Do not take gold from a farming adc if you're tank.

BattleMage1309021 votes

ekko isn't a tank persay? i was already ahead in lane so i was going for a bit more damage early (abyssal triforce you know the tanky build but some ap too) but seriously doing all the work for a double and missing a huge wave of cs to help botlane, and then not being able to get level 6 and enough gold for a triforce because an adc thought 10 cs was hugely important to her?

Morality Coach1 votes

Snowballing other lanes is its own reward. If you were ahead you didn't need tri force right then and there, and 14 cs is the equivalent of one kill. Getting behind on an adc that farms is probably the most stressful thing in the game. Never go to someone's lane and eat cs there is almost never a reason for it.

Only time you would do this is if the ADC was completely Bronze and clueless and feeding, and you were hypercarrying. That's pretty much the only time.

Amtipurrfy1 votes

I would do the same thing the vayne did, in the least to earn assists, if not kills. If the choice was between you getting two solo kills, or Vayne getting two kills and you getting assists, I'd take the latter every time as it's more overall team gold. Pushing a Vayne ahead by two kills is pretty huge.

The difference between two solo kills, and two kills with assists is 300g. That's a 3rd kills worth of gold that wouldn't be there otherwise. So 600g to just ekko, or 300g split to all who assisted and 600g to Vayne. It's clear which one is better. Her flash potentially earned the team an extra 300g (I'm still assuming they would have been solo kills without the flash).

Assuming the support was there, you earned 150g from assists, 100g from global tower gold, ~83g from being there when it's destroyed (assuming you, adc, and sup are all there when it goes down), 25g for the global part of tower first blood, and ~91g for local shared from tower first blood.

That's 449g from just assists and towers. You state you lost a wave for the tp to help. Average early cs are worth about 17-18g. For ease of numbers I'll use a flat 20g per cs. That's 120g you lost tp'ing bot. Though it's prob more like 2 waves, that's still 240g (prob like 220-225 since I was rounding up).

You earned a minimum of 450g in this situation. And that's in the worst case scenario. If the sup got no kill or tower assists, then you earned a lot more. An extra 150g from the assists, and an extra 78g from towers, for a possible ~675g. And that's before even taking any cs to just get to tower to destroy it. With cs you could be over 800g, or at least 600g if sup was there.

Vayne's attitude was incorrect, but don't act like a victim when your 1-2 wave loss earned you 200-400g MORE than your waves would have earned (449 worst case scenario gold minus 225g from two waves would be an extra 224g not including any cs). You already earned way more gold than staying in lane, and are wanting to take a from the most gold dependent position.

Her reasoning is correct, her attitude and wording are VERY lacking. You earned a net income with all of that, and put the opposing bot lane way behind. Let your gold dependent adc farm the cs, and accept that you earned200g more than your cs instead of 300g.

BattleMage1309021 votes

You do realize that in missing around 2 waves of cs I allowed the enemy graves to pretty much take most of my turret hp, and that puts me behind as well right? In some situations, giving the adc resources is the right idea, but the game is highly situational and this post was more about the "ADC DESERVES all the resources just because they're adc" attitude which is so frequent in the game. If our adc is a lategame scaling vayne, currently 0/0 and I'm an ekko with the tools (TP and mobility and swiftness boots) to roam, already ahead in lane and an early game champion, who could create the most team benefit with the lead? Ekko top isn't a sit top, farm, tank, and teamfight lategame kinda champ, the way I was going for it was deadmans plate, abyssal, triforce, lots of roaming, and netting a huge lead earlygame to put vayne in a good spot for the lategame. Taking 10 cs wasn't going to change the fact that she would have had a massive advantage and could easily farm because of the constant map pressure I would be putting out.

Morality Coach1 votes

The ADC has the potential to do the most damage out of anyone on the team. If you keep KSing and taxing your ADCs you won't be able to climb to gold.

BattleMage1309021 votes

if by ks'ing you mean "accepting that she got the double and taking 10 cs to keep up the level balance between me and the enemy laner" then sure

Morality Coach1 votes

You don't have the right attitude to climb to gold. Only mess with a vanyes farm if they can't attack move or are lacking basic adc skills. If they can carry let them.

10 cs is a lot. Play draven and see what it's like to miss 10 cause a bronze top taxed your lane.

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