Chat restriction. At what point can we consider flaming entrapment?

5 Dollar Holler·2/10/2018, 4:58:16 PM·1 votes·413 views

I was highly disappointed to be chat restricted, my first "punishment" since League was released. In reviewing the log, I didn't say anything that bad. I had a duo queue from the clan "Ranked Trollz" who played bot. The Varus was support - and built support - and the Viegar took the farm. They fed (combined 2-14 when the game ended). I had a Swain top, who admitted in lobby "I want to try out the rework." He also fed. Finally I had a jungler who mostly stayed in the jungle, but when he did come out it would be to dive towers at level 1 or steal dragon, dying every time and raging at me and other teammates for not helping.

Did I call out the self-proclaimed "Trolls" clan for trolling? Yes. I didn't swear, I didn't use any language that I would be ashamed to read out loud in front of family. I asked people to stop feeding. I asked Varus to build damage items. When the enemy team asked if the feeding "Trollz" lane were inting, I said yes in allchat.

Why are we punishing for making accurate observations? If I choose to jungle with Blitzcrank and my team tells me not to, can I report them for being negative and expect punishment? Evidently.

10 game restriction, I honestly don't care about the punishment. I just think it's a joke that the automated system flagged a couple of trolls who ganged up to report me. I miss the Tribunal, as no human being would have voted to punish me if you actually read the logs.

To add color, here is the chatlog. I wish it showed the people I was responding to, the Kayn cussing me out, etc. I did add some context in parentheses, and swapped pronouns to make it clear what was being discussed. Feels like if I can be punished for this, I can be punished for anything.

> 5 Dollar Holler: sure > 5 Dollar Holler: kayn i think its gunna be u and me this game carrying > 5 Dollar Holler: kayn can you help the lanes a bit more with pressure? > 5 Dollar Holler: if you jungle all match shyv is going to destroy us > 5 Dollar Holler: dont focus top > > (Kayn raging at me for him diving in to “steal dragon” and die while I stayed in lane to kill Corki) > > 5 Dollar Holler: last thing you said was "blue then mid" next thing i knew you tried to solo a fed shyv > 5 Dollar Holler: i cant solo her either, are you high? > 5 Dollar Holler: lmao > 5 Dollar Holler: i cant carry unless the feeding slows way down > > (Our team realizing that in a duo queue of a clan called “Ranked Trollz”, the Varus was building 100% support and Viegar taking all the cs) > > 5 Dollar Holler: wait, why is varus building support? Can you build dps? > 5 Dollar Holler: just a troll match? > > (Teammates talking about who won and who lost lane) > > 5 Dollar Holler: i destroyed corki > 5 Dollar Holler: i cant control that you are trying to solo shyv. she was ganking, you just stayed in jungle too long I think. > 5 Dollar Holler: we can just vote to ff… > 5 Dollar Holler: better question: why is our Varus supporting > > (Opponents asking if our bot was trying to feed or not) > > 5 Dollar Holler: i mean their clan is "Ranked Trollz" so please reprot the support varus duo queue, just int > 5 Dollar Holler: i see a 2-11 griefing botlane > > (Fed jungler talking in allchat about how he’s so good and we should have banned that champ because look at the score) > > 5 Dollar Holler: seems low considering both bot are int > 5 Dollar Holler: we should have banned Shyv because she's strong against intentional feeders? > 5 Dollar Holler: like, we have support varus, you could have jungled with Bard and won probably lol > > (Opponents saying “sorry about the trolls on the team I had one on my team last game”) > > 5 Dollar Holler: yeah it evens out i think > 5 Dollar Holler: just have to report and move on

EDIT: I want to point out this article from Riot where "strong but non-derogatory terms" are listed under acceptable: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player

Also, I was just in a game where a teammate was literally saying the N-word in all chat. I reported him for hate speech. No action. Is the system not smart enough to automatically search for words like that when reported? Hmm.

8 Comments

ModWulf Helhammer2/10/2018, 4:59:56 PM8 votes

At what point can we consider flaming entrapment?

Never. Because you are always in control of your own actions.

redniwediS2/10/2018, 5:20:37 PM4 votes

5 Dollar Holler: just have to report and move on

You should take your own advice on this one. Trust me I know how hard it is sometimes to just let troll behavior go, particularly during the game it's happening in, but it's best for everyone if you just ignore it. Sometimes it really is better for everyone if you make use of the mute button and just play. If you can't win because of your allies work on your CS or something, just give yourself a goal within the game other than winning.

Riot takes a very "if you're not being positive you're being negative" approach to the chat, and while there's not much that you said that is out of line, you were not exactly being a positive force on your team there.

Also asking people to report another can, and sometimes is considered harassment. All reports do is flag a game for review, and there can only be one flag, so the number of reports that happened does not matter.

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It's actually really simple.

if (reports > 0) { review(); }

EL HAMSTERO2/10/2018, 5:39:37 PM1 votes

some of them are definitely doing it to try to get you banned. i mean its really fun to get that little message and thats the kind of fun that trolls love

Scary Door2/10/2018, 5:43:58 PM1 votes

No such thing as 'entrapment'.

If you chose to respond, that is 100% on you for doing so. You know how you avoid the "trap"? SAY NOTHING.

You're welcome.