When Riot tells you their system bans trolls/int feeders

General Esdeath ··41 votes·7,980 views

Now, I understand this has to happen to some people because trolls have to actually do something to be reported, but Riot...

https://i.imgur.com/qR1Qpu0.png

Why was this person doing the same thing they did today, 7 days ago? Can the system NOT detect them? Does it take time? Because I'd understand like 20 minutes, but 7 days? And I doubt nobody reported that person. In my game they asked for a role swap, got it, inted mid, and then sold their items to buy 2 mobi boots and run down bot. Come on Riot, how you gonna do me dirty like this? If the system can't do it that fast, I'll gladly look at reports by players. Only takes 15~ minutes to skin a replay/chat/builds.

115 Comments

RiotRiot Tantram51 votes

Because those aren't their actual builds. They are selling their items and re-buying when the game is over.


I watched the entire replay of that game, and they were NOT feeding. They got wrecked by a Fizz.

1.) Died under own turret in a close fight. 2.) Ulted by fizz from the jungle pathing in from drag side. Tried to run to safety of turret. 3.) Died under own turret. 4.) Died under own turret.

They were trying their best to stay alive the entire time, and were returning damage under their own turret. They got outplayed. They sold their items after respawn in the fountain when the surrender came through.

This was not a case of intentional feeding. They were not running mid to die. Players having a bad game is not an excuse to accuse them of intentional feeding.

Copying this to my previous reply.

Ariel the Cruel11 votes

summoner 11 ?

General Esdeath 1 votes

There's no smite, I'm not banned and hiding chat logs. I'm just disappointed in Riot's automated system that still ignores so much when it's flawed.

Chermorg16 votes

Did you not read what Tantram said? You posted the build - he just said that those screenshots do nothing to prove inting.

He has access to all the data. He has access to the data that may show they inted or not.

Or maybe they did get punished? Riot does not release when players are or are not punished, so Tantram may very well have looked into it and issued/confirmed their punishments.

General Esdeath 1 votes

And as I said to him, the build isn't the only thing shown here. And how would he know their name? I didn't show the game where he was on my team, he didn't play Vayne, he played Yasuo. And I doubt the system got him if it missed him more than the 3 times I saw on his op.gg

Chermorg8 votes

I'm presuming you reported them after the game?

It's not that hard to find.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Absolutely I reported. And I'd hope he can find it but I'd assume he's busy with other things to stalk my profile for one person and check their games for the past 2 weeks.

Chermorg4 votes

I mean, considering you gave us a minimal part of the story, I think he'd be willing to defend his systems by going and investigating your claims.

RiotRiot Tantram13 votes

I watched the entire replay of that game, and they were NOT feeding. They got wrecked by a Fizz.

1.) Died under own turret in a close fight. 2.) Ulted by fizz from the jungle pathing in from drag side. Tried to run to safety of turret. 3.) Died under own turret. 4.) Died under own turret.

They were trying their best to stay alive the entire time, and were returning damage under their own turret. They got outplayed. They sold their items after respawn in the fountain when the surrender came through.

This was not a case of intentional feeding. They were not running mid to die. Players having a bad game is not an excuse to accuse them of intentional feeding.

Copying this to my previous reply.

Fegone2 votes

That is not only a lame excuse, it's also wrong. There are way more trolls who actually built some b.s. like 6 mobi boots, than there are players who last second sell and rebuy. And I've seen many many cases of players who did troll with a build of just boots for weeks, and nothing happened to them. So don't pretend this doesn't happen. So be so kind and answer the good man's question:

"Can the system NOT detect them? Does it take time? Because I'd understand like 20 minutes, but 7 days? "

General Esdeath 1 votes

Because build is all there is. Ignore the fact the guy inted, ran down a lane into the enemy team, and gave up. Yep, that build is all I'm upset about right now.

RiotRiot Tantram16 votes

No, they didn't. I watched the replay.

SociopathFriend4 votes

I've done it with tear myself. When a game is most definitely over and your team isn't surrendering- there's not much reason to still be serious. Edit: Or when the surrender is 4 already for yes and you know it's over while dead. That also works.

I don't mean, "We lost one turret, gg, game over." I mean, "That's all of our inhibs down, again, and they just took baron, again after they clean aced us, again."

Also- I'm supposed to believe the Vayne got 3 kills with no items whatsoever? And was bothering to farm without buying items? Selling all of your stuff and buying stupid things when the game is over is hardly a reason to be banned.

Slythion10 votes

Pretty sure Riot stated recently that they recognize their system isn't great at detecting inters and they plan on making some changes in the future

Tace367 votes

We will fix our system-riot 2012-?

still broken will always be broken

LegendmakerGX2 votes

I would be okay with them saying they will make some changes in the future but the game has one if not the sHatties int detection that can't even detect the move obvious in your face feeding players like this. So they had from 2012-2017 and really nothing has been changed at all to let you know it's sad how they finally acknowledge how crap their work on this system is.

General Esdeath 4 votes

From the title I assume it's the Korean one. Korean system is non-existent unless you cheat.

Kei1432 votes

While I don't know how KR players report, I do think a better detection system for inting is always welcome.

Such system will work for various of servers.

Spank the Fox6 votes

Riot auto bans when certain buzzwords get reported.

Why can't they implement an auto ban when certain troll items (multiple boots) are used?

Firethorn6 votes

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Riot auto bans when certain buzzwords get reported.

Why can't they implement an auto ban when certain troll items (multiple boots) are used?

Some people are actually new to the game and don't realize some items can't stack. I don't think it's a good idea to start banning, for example, a lvl 10 player for accidently buying mulitple boots. Obviously this vayne is trolling/inting and needs to be banned, but I'm not sure autobanning for multiple items is the right way to go. Just my opinion tho

Chermorg9 votes

When I was brand new i stacked tons of CDR because i didn't know it was capped at 40% lol.

Darkeus1 votes

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When I was brand new i stacked tons of CDR because i didn't know it was capped at 40% lol.

Hell when I first started I played Garen Support. GOD I was such a newbie. Lmao....

LordGeovanni1 votes

You played support great newbie. I played melee bot that couldnt get farm because id get chunked by ranged champions

Darkeus1 votes

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You played support great newbie. I played melee bot that couldnt get farm because id get chunked by ranged champions

Lol, I think all of us probably have done some pretty dumb stuff when we were new.

Oh hell, I have only been playing for little over a year. I still do pretty dumb stuff like accidentally hitting summoner 4 when trying to use summoner 3

Ozag the Mighty4 votes

The best one is not hitting enter before you type and use you flash+heal when the game first starts

Rand0mH3r0X2 votes

Could you imagine release Fiora mid?

Kei1432 votes

I've done multi boots build before !!

I wanted to have the tenacity, -12% AA dmg reduction and +125 MS!!

Worked well for a short period of time..

Then again, I also went through phases like 6x sunfire on an Eve / twitch ..

Miror B2 votes

While CS:GO is a shite game that valve has zero chance of turning around, can't rito take a page out of their book and allow people to anonymously review cases of rule-breakers? Wouldn't be too hard to implement, and would have a ton of volunteers for it.

Kei1434 votes

Back in the days when the tribunal was around (granted it was for chat only purposes), there was so much back log that people weren't punished for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnngggg time.

When they did get punished, it was so far down the road that they already forgot about those games, making them go "WTF!?!?!?! when did this happen??"

If humans were to review games for trolling / inting, there is a high possibility that the same thing would happen again.

Miror B1 votes

The problem of course being that now the punishment system is so exploitable that any idiot with common sense can get around it ("I'm doing the new meta, where I buy 6 tears and run down mid. 70% winrate!"). While it may include a backlog if done incorrectly (the community reviews ALL of them), the future essentially lies with this method as it's kinda the most accurate one they have.

Douglas Funnie2 votes

He's just having a bad game. Everyone has bad games.

HeimerLmao3 votes

Mobi boots disagree with your opinion.

Douglas Funnie7 votes

I highly doubt that. He picked mobi boots because he needed more movement speed because he was having multiple bad games in a row because everyone has bad games.

Destined Rogue1 votes

Riot themselves dont give a single shit about actual players, they let their automatic system do everything. I was a toxic player, i admit that, but i stopped after a 14 day ban, stopped even mostly talking at all in game. But then a single game, where i had a support that inted 3 times in bot lane then went afk, where the jungler literally decided it was better to finish the enemy raptors instead of help me and counter gank, when i was running right to him, then say "I was there dude", and later int for the rest of the game, and trap us in the game after our top laner went afk as well. Like literally run into 5 people every time he spawned, and refuse to surrender. Where the other team responded to me asking them to just push mid and end because of our 2 afk players, and our inting jungler, by hunting me down anywhere i went for the rest of the game, and refusing to end. This ridiculous game, i got reported by the other team for just wanting the game to end, and i got an instant permanent ban, From One SIngle game, when i had literally stopped talking to people because it wasnt worth losing my account. Riot only cared about their automatic system and takes it as gospel, when more likely than not, now in todays community you are going to get reported more likely for playing bad than actual toxicity. I have submitted a ticket and sent response after response, my ticket has been pushed to a second person now and all i get is a cut and paste response from someone who refusus to actually watch the game and see what was going on. Riot really doesnt care about what their system is doing, how bad it is, the way it enables toxic players who know how to bend the system. They are in it for the money and nothing else.

Killer30001898 votes

The fact that you can't keep this in your post alone says alot

Destined Rogue1 votes

Oh, i have a post of my own, but refusal from the rioters looking at my ticket to actually look at the game and just send me cut and paste responses made me want to post this everywhere i possibly could.

Killer30001897 votes

If they refuse to look at your ticket that's something, but if they look and see that you deserved the ban from your chat logs or whatever is a different story.

Destined Rogue1 votes

The thing is, i specifically asked them to watch the game to see what was going on, and i get the cut and paste response that "I have reviewed the logs", they refuse to look at the actual game.

Killer30001896 votes

What would looking at the game do?

Destined Rogue2 votes

They would see what was actually going on, just reviewing the logs doesn't paint the entire picture, there are many forms of toxicity, mine in this single game was born from frustration because of the much much worse toxicity in this game.

Killer30001896 votes

It doesn't matter what the situation is. You're team is already dealing with enough bs from these people and then you started to be toxic, adding more fuel to the fire. Everyone has bad games, everyone has to deal with trolls/feeders/toxic players but most of us just keep our cool. You of all people should have kept your cool if you've had punishments in the past.

Destined Rogue1 votes

My team wast dealing with bs from these people, they were the bs, 2 players afk, and a toxic jungler, on my team. they weren't dealing, they were the problem, while yes, i shouldnt have responded, getting punished because i just wanted the game to end isnt right.

Destined Rogue1 votes

Literally the only person in that entire game that wasn't toxic was my ADC, all other 9 players were, including me, but mine was born of frustration because of the other 8, i never quit trying to play the game, through all that, i just wanted it to end. It was a ridiculous game, and should be disregarded due to the sheer ammount of toxicity in that game from EVERYONE.

Jorencice5 votes

There's your problem.

Should of put a movie on your 2nd screen and went semi afk.

Killer30001895 votes

You were probably a bit more toxic than you think but yea that's a really shitty situation and it happens to everyone, as you may know the best thing you can do is mute, report after game, and then take a break. Trying to retaliate or anything just gets you no where and you pretty much always get punished. Riot is working on a new system and in a couple patches we should have a new algorithm or something to detect inters/feeders/ and trolls and ban them faster only time will tell though.

Destined Rogue1 votes

The new system being worked on still doesnt change the fact that i got banned because i was a literal hostage in that game, i couldnt afk because of my previous toxicity, which i freely admit to, and i had stopped. I had completely stopped after my 14 day ban, and being a hostage in literally the most toxic game i have ever played, and then get banned because of it...

Killer30001898 votes

Looking at your log, it was alot more toxic than i thought it would be, all you had to do was play the game out and keep quite. This is why they won't watch the game because this is way more than enough after a 14 day. Still a really shitty situation tho.

Destined Rogue1 votes

Every single thing i said in that game was in response to being held hostage, yes, i should have just kept quiet, i understand that, but being held a literal hostage in the game, i think that game should just be disregarded completely.

Killer30001892 votes

Yea but if you do that then you have to disregard every other game that someone has been toxic in due to afk, trolls, feeders, toxic players. And i'm sure you've been in games before where you have someone flaming their ass off because of something like this and it sucks and you wouldn't want them unbanned or that game to be a free pass because of something like that.

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