Tyler1's global ban was a case of extreme leniency on Riot's part.

TheLittlestLulu·May 3, 2016·131 votes·8,917 views

i'm amazed he didn't get the global ban after 5 permabanned accounts, let alone 19.

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Natsuki ChanMay 3, 201622 votes

It's not like he can't play League again. He can still play as long as he doesn't stream or be toxic so Riot won't figure out it's really him playing.

vampirekid13May 3, 20164 votes

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It's not like he can't play League again. He can still play as long as he doesn't stream or be toxic so Riot won't figure out it's really him playing.

i doubt it, when xj9 got permabanned forever all of his subsequent smurfs would get insta banned if they were made from his house address or played from his house address, he would of had to move to be able to play an account. if i remember correctly even vpns didnt help.

BurgothMay 3, 201618 votes

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i doubt it, when xj9 got permabanned forever all of his subsequent smurfs would get insta banned if they were made from his house address or played from his house address, he would of had to move to be able to play an account. if i remember correctly even vpns didnt help.

Do you have any idea how easy it is to spoof your actual IP and hardware if you know that a company is targeting you? I used to play online poker from the US through the big poker sites like poker stars. Their incentive to keep me from playing was as big as it gets. I have literally years and hundreds of thousands of hands without detection. Including many cashouts. It is simply a matter of understanding what their detection methods are by using dumby accounts. Once you learn what automated systems flag for manual review, then detection is very easily avoidable.

If Tyler1 has the motivation to stick it to RIOT, he will certainly be able to get around their ban. But likely, and certainly I am sure what they hope for, is that the effort to bypass their detection methods requires too much effort and technical knowledge. In other words, its possible, but perhaps too difficult for most people. Its just easier to move on to another game, so most will do that.

McKeifusMay 3, 20165 votes

Except he'll have to quit streaming, because they will just check the stream and ban that new account/IP address. It'll be a constant game of catchup for him otherwise. At which point his fan base will disappear, and he'll have no motivation to show off like an idiot to a bunch of spoiled turds.

DemacryMay 4, 20163 votes

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Except he'll have to quit streaming, because they will just check the stream and ban that new account/IP address. It'll be a constant game of catchup for him otherwise. At which point his fan base will disappear, and he'll have no motivation to show off like an idiot to a bunch of spoiled turds.

Pretty sure if I was a massive troll I'd consider it an honor to have a gaming company so out for blood that they'd have to commit paid employees to keep me out.

theDeblinMay 4, 20165 votes

There's been quite literally an entire dev team equivalent team of full-time employees doing nothing but community management for Riot for something like two years now. Checking the streams of banned streamers and dropping account bans on any names he's using in his streams is like five minutes of effort every two weeks.

Compared to what said employees usually have to do in tedium terms (run through encyclopedia-sized stacks of chatlogs and gameplay footage to verify feeding reports and so on) this is coffee break stuff.

oden321May 5, 20162 votes

he cant even stream twitch will ban him, but there is a new feature on the pbe that lets you hide the names of players, combine that with turning off your chat box riot would never find his account name.

ZielmannMay 3, 20167 votes

He would also have to not spend any money to help speed up account leveling, unless he buys physical RP cards or sets up accounts linked to a different name and address. There are more ways of knowing it's the same person than just his location and machine.

But as far as his case is concerned, the biggest thing is that he could never stream again. Once he shows his face on a stream, that account would be known and quickly banned.

vampirekid13May 3, 20162 votes

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Do you have any idea how easy it is to spoof your actual IP and hardware if you know that a company is targeting you? I used to play online poker from the US through the big poker sites like poker stars. Their incentive to keep me from playing was as big as it gets. I have literally years and hundreds of thousands of hands without detection. Including many cashouts. It is simply a matter of understanding what their detection methods are by using dumby accounts. Once you learn what automated systems flag for manual review, then detection is very easily avoidable.

If Tyler1 has the motivation to stick it to RIOT, he will certainly be able to get around their ban. But likely, and certainly I am sure what they hope for, is that the effort to bypass their detection methods requires too much effort and technical knowledge. In other words, its possible, but perhaps too difficult for most people. Its just easier to move on to another game, so most will do that.

it really depends. its easy to change your ip, and spoof your mac address, but that doesnt necessarily mean its easy to fool a company.

perfect example is netflix. i cant access the US netflix anymore, even with vpns and proxys and all that.

oden321May 5, 20161 votes

how you get that perma netflix ban? there isnt anything to get you banned on it or is there?

vampirekid13May 5, 20161 votes

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how you get that perma netflix ban? there isnt anything to get you banned on it or is there?

well, the idea is i am not in the US, and netflix due to copyright law differences between countries was forced to regionalize their content. as in the US netflix is different from the AUS netflix, and the EU netflix, they all have different content on. so all the good shows are on the US one obviously, therefore i was signed up and accessed the US one, watching the shows (but im not in the US, i am in EU)

a few months ago netflix went the nuclear route, and completely banned access to the their shows if you are not in the region. so now i cant access the US one. i cant vpn into the US one, i cant proxy into it, i cant IPspoof into it. i cant do it. and i tried a lot. i finally gave up. and a lot of other people are saying the same thing. its impossible, even with private VPNs to get into it.

DemonicousMay 3, 201615 votes

Actually Tyler1 has a lot on the line to lose...

Knew two guys back in college. One was doing Beta testing for Paragon while he was under a non-disclosure agreement before the Beta was opened up for info release. He wanted to be the FIRST to post Paragon in game footage on YouTube... and so he did. Not even 24 hours later his video was taken down... a week later he was called in to the undergrad dean's office. They told him to pack his shit and he was expelled like that. Violated their Beta ToS using college property and connection, and the college's official letter statement was...

"We can not allow our institution to be used for unlawful actions or any behavior that violates our institution's culture and image." blah blah blah... yada yada yada.

He went to go talk to a lawyer about a lawsuit and the lawyer explains to him that Privacy Policy extends as far as individuals, and property utilized. Since it was the college connection that was used they were entitled to be incuded und the users privacy policy agreement for their protection. He works retail now.

The other guy was having chicks show up during his twitch streams and dance in the background. Well twitch suspended his account, but he had identifying imagery in his streams. A while went by after the suspension and he tried to do it again through another streaming service... forgot which. Campus cops caught him and they were told to keep a lookout for anything that looked like girls going to a dorm room with the "purpose of exhibitionism."

He was on academic probation after that, one of his scholarships revoked, and his access to the internet was only allowed in the library during certain times of the day.

...

All in all since Tyler1 is doing this from college he is risking his future if Riot decides to pursue it further in the interests of setting an example. He is using the campus connection and therefore the Privacy policy extends to them.

It doesn't only happen with this stuff. If you watch "To catch a predator," they had a number of episodes where they caught those guys by getting the entities that were providing internet access involved in the matter.

if he wants to stick it to Riot he better have his diploma in his hands first if he's in any way shape or form smart about this.

TonyTonyMordecaiMay 3, 20163 votes

Damn. I don't know how to word a reply... That would probably get me scared straight if that happened to me.

MoonshadeMay 4, 20163 votes

The guy with the Paragon issue was very dumb, he should have uploaded the video but made it private until the non-disclosure agreement was up at which point he could make it public without any repercussions. I find it kinda scary that the company would punish him as harsh as they did but I guess he got lucky that they didn't fine him a ridiculous amount of money too

MasziiMay 4, 20165 votes

What a nice infringement of someone's privacy :). But hey Murica right?

MagosAmphroseMay 4, 20165 votes

It actually isn't; it's called a contract you sign with the company/site beforehand, as well as colleges ensuring that their integrity isn't threatened. Privacy or not, it's what you sign up for as soon as you hit I Agree to anything at all. I suggest you read the ToS to anything concerning you in real life or extended duration stuff, such as college or streaming.

oden321May 5, 20163 votes

you mean the thing no one reads, i fell like the ToS should not be that binding due to the fact that idiots never read it and you end up in a mess. also if he realy wanted to stick it to riot he would just rout his thing through a proxy server making sure it wasent traceable back to the school. but honestly its low for a company to go after the school to ruin a kids life for trolling an online game which has no impact on real life.

DemonicousMay 6, 20161 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caosDREI2qQ

MasziiMay 5, 20162 votes

I was more rsponding to the fact that a company is going pursue on IP's of individuals, tracking them and getting them banned. I do agree that leaking etc should be banned and thats perfectly fine for me.

DemonicousMay 6, 20161 votes

You can also sue over changes in ToS that are not presented in an obvious manner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pufvc57bQdU

Literally they have to notify you a million ways by legal standards.

Crowe StalkerMay 6, 20161 votes

Any news on what happened with that? I can't find anything online.

DemonicousMay 6, 20161 votes

I have no clue. Usually Lexis Nexis is only updated with legal resolutions after the case is over. They dont give people the play-by-play so our only real good source for now is the news.

I think the ONLY people that know anything are shareholders at this point.

JoosMay 5, 20161 votes

What are you talking about? Tyler1 isn't bringing women onto his streams, he is literally just streaming games on college internet. Nothing wrong with that unless the college has some stupid ass rule against it.

DemonicousMay 6, 20162 votes

Umm do you know how to read? Where did I mention Tyler1 anywhere in the two examples of the OTHER people I presented anywhere? And yes if you violate the ToS of any company utilizing property or internet connections that is NOT YOURS, then the owner or provider of said property or internet access is liable by the ToS as well which is why this second entity will also take action against you... because they dont want to get sued by the company for allowing idiots to indiscriminately violate ToS agreements.

The DeckownerMay 3, 20165 votes

tyler1 plays in a college or.something, banning his ip will ban the entire.college

VasilisGreenMay 3, 20169 votes

Nobody bans the IP anymore...

The DeckownerMay 3, 20162 votes

well idk the terms but tencent does it

VasilisGreenMay 3, 20162 votes

In china, the network is run by very few companies, so, if they use a static IP protocol, banning IPs is very effective. In the rest of the world, were IPs are dynamic, banning IPs is very ineffective. Here for example, each ISP owns a pool of IPs and distributes them to their clients. I now have the IP XXX.XXX.XXX.XXZ... After i disconnect from the internet and the IP is not used anymore, it will be given to another client of my ISP that might be in a different city or even state that connects after i dc. When i go online, a new available IP will be given to me. Now, since there are so many IP addresses and few clients, there are plenty of free IPs so, i usualy get the same IP because there is always another free address for a new user. But, in general, IP addresses are not constant. I can always change my IP. This makes IP bans very ineffective.

DemonicousMay 3, 20162 votes

In Soviet China, IP ban you!

The DeckownerMay 3, 20162 votes

oh never knew that, gj bro.

#themoreyouknow

venomous frostMay 3, 201610 votes

AFAIK, he plays from a dorm in college, banning his ip will ban everybody in his dorm

VasilisGreenMay 3, 20162 votes

Each IP is given to a single PC. IP addresses aren't shared. If they ban his IP, he will just use another IP and if someone elseuses this IP, they won't be able to play league. Have you ever heard of Dynamic IP distribution?

SmokedAlmondsMay 3, 20161 votes

Each computer on a network doesn't typically get its own IP address(You can test this by going to a site like www.whatismyip.com on two different computers on the same network). Each computer will have a network address that is unique on that network, but they won't usually be assigned its own IP address. A large network like a campus probably has just a small block of IP address and maybe like assign 1 to each department.

But the problem it creates is the same, worse actually. It wouldn't just be 1 person who randomly gets assigned that IP that gets locked out. It will be like "Dorm hall A".

VasilisGreenMay 3, 20161 votes

About the site you mentioned... i just searched there and the only thing it got right about my connection was my country and ISP. and i have no intention of hiding my IP. The only reliable way to track your IP is to open the command line and type in the command "ipconfig". It's the only way to reliably see what your IP is. And also, if 2 or more PCs in the same network get the same IP you get an ERROR xxxx i don't remember the error code, that it says, IP Conflict. it resolves almost automaticaly. IP addresses are unique to each PC at a time.

SmokedAlmondsMay 3, 20161 votes

IP addresses are not unique to a PC, temporarily or otherwise. It is not even really currently possible. Until IPv6 is fully adopted it isn't even possible for every device to get its own IP address, there aren't enough combinations under the IPv4 system(there are less just shy of 4.3 billion combinations, realistically they are not all available since some are reserved for specific purposes). I am on 3 computers right now, all with the same IP address. It's called NAT, if you have a router at home you are most likely already using it to connect multiple devices to the internet with a single IP address.

You do have a network address that is unique on your network. It probably looks like 192.168.1.xxx . If you have multiple devices connected on your home network and did not go out of your way to get more IP addresses(I don't even know what would be required to do that, it probably isn't free either) they are all sharing one IP.

VasilisGreenMay 4, 20161 votes

I checked that chance of having shared IP.. no... My brother in the next room had a different IP than me. No, IPs are not shared. In the case of having a NAT configuration, you can have 1 IP for many devices, even ntireprivate networks, but this doesn't work for personal home networks. at least not here. Also, the possible combinations for IPv4 are almost exhausted and that's why IPv6 was developed but it's not fullly applied to everyone. The thing is, unless you have a one-to-many NAT configuration, each pc gets its own IP when it connects to the internet and that IP changes unless it is a Static IP configuration.

Also, each router has it's own gateway address which is constant until the router restarts, or it is constant always, that's up to the ISP. So far, i haven't shared an IP with anyone at homeand when it happens i get an Error message telling me that there is an IP conflict. Anyway, unless you setup your router to use a one-to-many NAT configuration, you will have separate IPs for each device. Maybe in your country you have o-t-m NAT preset by your ISPs, here we don't tho.

SmokedAlmondsMay 4, 20161 votes

I just noticed that you are from EUW. This could be strictly an American thing, but it is not only possible, but it is overwhelmingly common. All devices on my network is unquestionably sharing an IP address and if I walked into any house on my street or in my neighbourhood or city etc I would expect to find the same. It isn't some crazy advanced technology, it is something a basic home router does.

But anyway, whether or not any particular network actually does have multiple devices sharing an IP address, it is undeniable that it is both possible and regularly happens. So and that exacerbates the issues of IP bans.

VasilisGreenMay 4, 20161 votes

The thing about NAT is that, it is used to indeed conserve IP addresses, but, it is not a simple task. It is mostly used for private networks, and in some countries, such as yours, it is, as you stated, also used in home networks. The thing is, i am not entirely sure what is the IP that shows in your computer when you type in the comand ipconfig in a cmd. If you are using a NAT with otm configuration, then your IP is the "default gateway" which is your router's IP and the IPv4 that shows is your private internal IP. I guess, since you know how NAT works, you also know how to distinguish if this IP in the cmd is the internal IP or not. Because, either it is the internal IP or the public IP, you will still have different Address than everyone else connected in the same network and the real IP will be the router's IP. If you know how to see if the IPv4 in the cmd is private or public, i would like to know so that i can see if NAT is a thing here too or not.

SmokedAlmondsMay 4, 20161 votes

It is a simple task. Basic home routers do it automatically. All you have to do is plug in the color coded ethernet cables.

If you are behind a NAT ipconfig shows your network address as your IP address, your router's network address as the default gateway. Everything in ipconfig is my personal network. As far as windows is concerned my network address is my public IP address which is 192.168.1.xxx

I think we have derailed this thread quite a bit, if you want to discuss this further then please add me in game.

VasilisGreenMay 4, 20161 votes

Well... the whatsmyip.com shows a different IP than the cmd for default gateway. Anyway, i can't add you in game. we are on different servers.

oden321May 5, 20161 votes

its a college wifi that usualy routs to a proxy to make sure nothing illegal is accessed. my knowledge on this is not the best but i belive a proxi changes your ip to that of the proxi causing everyone on the college who uses that proxi to be temp banned till the proxi changes

Timm TommMay 3, 201610 votes

A bunch of people seem disappointed that Tyler1 was perma-banned... Am I the only person who thinks he wasn't funny, annoying as shit, and absolutely needed this ban?

SmokedAlmondsMay 4, 20164 votes

Not even close. He is just a guy that had a lot of fans. Enough that it overwhelmed the number of normal forum users.

There have been countless threads about him in this section over the last week. I don't normally put much value in post votes but the original post by riot explaining the situation has a -3.7k downvotes(someone mentioned with the mod FEK that you can see that it is like 2k upvotes and like 5k downvotes) which is a lot more than almost every post that has ever been made on the forums. If you look through this section of the board though you will notice that every pro tyler1 thread gets downvoted and every anti-tyler1(?) thread gets upvoted. And those posts hold the normal between -100 and 100 vote range that almost every other post in this section falls into.

So it seems pretty clear someone link that original riot thread to his fans rather than just not only a huge spike in total votes but those votes also trend opposite of those of similar topics.

GRVet3ran0sSMay 3, 20166 votes

Most of them were banned at the same time. One time a rioter was on his streamed and banned 8 accounts

TonyTonyMordecaiMay 3, 20163 votes

Is there a video of this happening? I kinda wanna see it

zmmbyMay 4, 20164 votes

Are we still talking about that insecure clown?

I dont get why people spend their time watching some kid with a tank top, shouting at the screen.

"FUK YOU BRO YEAH COME AT ME SO SAVAGE SALTY MAN"

I watched one of his clips after the boards started to talk about him and i dont get the hype actually. Same people who love Pewdiepie i guess.

MorgananaMay 4, 20164 votes

You wouldnt understand, all of his fans are toxic. So when you watch a steam and your all just a ton of toxic players and can relate with each other its a lot of fun.

SmokedAlmondsMay 4, 20162 votes

Which is why I find it amusing that people cite it as a downside that his punishment is going to lead to him taking his fans to other games.

s LessThanThreeMay 3, 20162 votes

I still believe 'Tyler1' was just an internet persona. There's no way a human being can be that toxic and unashamed of it, at least I would hope so. Still, it's wrong to make money off of breaking the summoners code, so Tyler1's IP ban was well deserved

SmokedAlmondsMay 3, 20167 votes

If you think there is anything people can't do without shame you have clearly never been in a walmart.