Being reported for not group fighting.

ggigotfed·Dec 21, 2016·1 votes·564 views

Most games where we're fighting strong synergy comps and I'm doing my very best but I can't prevent a 1% brand from attempting to kill the lux that I've already got secured. I get reported because of the mentality. "I lost my lane, REPORT THIS JUNGLE!" Why can't they understand the jungler has a LOT to do. Not just camp your lane until you're legendary and hold your hand through the rift. But that mentality doesn't exist in gold. I'm also pretty sure the skill level goes backwards and salt rises throughout rank.

tl;dr stop crying when you lost lane. YOU lost lane

7 Comments

Kei143Dec 21, 20162 votes

don't worry too much about being reported.

people can report for anything, doesn't mean the report is a valid report. It takes multiple valid reports to get punished.

RookPusherDec 21, 20162 votes

I have the same issue with supports. I play support a lot so I see a lot less supports doing stupid crap. But let me tell you, bad junglers in this current jungler meta ruin a ton of games. You're dealing with some PTSD for certain, but I judge a jungler by their ability to advance the cause.

You need to do as much or more than their jungler. And you should be taking towers in lanes, doesn't matter if the lane is winning or losing.

KinetikaDec 21, 20161 votes

You're basically saying that the jungler has more impact than anyone else in the game. I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I do disagree with what your expectations for the jungler appear to be.

If you feel that there are so many bad junglers, why don't you learn to jungle and show them how it's done?

It's kind of a bullshit way of looking at things to say "bad junglers in this current meta ruin a ton of games...you should be taking towers in lanes even if the lane is losing". I call bullshit for the following reasons:

Junglers should help lanes when possible. When you jungle, you have 3 lanes to help with in addition to your own farm and multiple objectives. Trying to priortize that is difficult when things are going well, but is frenetic when things aren't going well. Try to focus when 3 lanes are pinging and bitching at you trying to get you to gank...which one do you go to first?
Laners should be fully capable of making smart decisions that keep things going in lane without assistance during the laning phase. Expect to get ganked from time-to-time, and ward. Expect roams from time to time. AND WARD.
If you cannot lane without constant help from your jungler, do something else. Maybe you got counterpicked. May you just suck. Either way, first and foremost you need to understand that blaming the jungler is just a cop-out.

Again, if you feel like the jungler role is so vital to the game, try it. Play it full-time for awhile and then come back to this thread and tell me how you did.

RookPusherDec 22, 20161 votes

A few things:

my point about towers was "you should be taking a tower in a lane. I don't care if the lane is ahead of behind - just take a tower." I think the jungler should choose, but you need to push towers. That's not negotiable.
I don't jungle for two reasons:

a. Because it's the same issue. As soon as I jungle I'm looking at the support going "wtf is wrong with _this _ guy?"

b. I like the role, but I don't like the champs. I used to jungle all the time when Maokai was viable. But this was back before his rework. I still do it now and again, but he's not super viable.

KinetikaDec 22, 20161 votes

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A few things:

my point about towers was "you should be taking a tower in a lane. I don't care if the lane is ahead of behind - just take a tower." I think the jungler should choose, but you need to push towers. That's not negotiable.

I don't jungle for two reasons:

a. Because it's the same issue. As soon as I jungle I'm looking at the support going "wtf is wrong with _this _ guy?"

b. I like the role, but I don't like the champs. I used to jungle all the time when Maokai was viable. But this was back before his rework. I still do it now and again, but he's not super viable.

I agree in general - pushing towers wins games. My point is that pushing towers is one of the junglers many, many tasks in an average game and needs to be prioritized selectively against dragons, ganks, and farm (I guess herald/baron also, but less frequently). I would suggest that pushing the initial tower is the primary responsibility of the laner, and the jungler needs to identify good opportunities (you could argue "low risk" opportunities) to assist with that.

I generally only notice a really good support. In terms of other positions, I tend to notice when they're carrying or when they're feeding, but in either case I try very hard not to say anything discouraging because let's face it - as a jungle main I get picked on more frequently than I would in another role, and so I've built up a strong sympathy with those who are bullied.

Maokai isn't so bad. Not what he used to be of course, but his outplay potential is very high, which I find enticing. He's my favorite champ by far in URF. Completely inescapable with the old Rylai's.

RookPusherDec 22, 20161 votes

Agree completely on the low-risk situation. But as an example, if your top laner is getting dumpsters by an enemy Nasus, when I jungle I make sure to steal his tower when he backs. Anything to release some of the pressure. My main thing when I jungle, and these days it's mostly Pantheon, is fear. I want them to know I could be anywhere at any time. That alone helps all lanes most often.

As for support, right now it has a few advantages that other lanes don't:

it's the option people like the least. So by getting good at it, I've give my team a substantial advantage.
You can't buy a tank these days. As such, I play support tank and I'm now two points ahead.
if you're a solid support, and I mean slightly above average, the team knows it. Unless your bone-head ADC is tower diving at level 3, you can secure the bot lane from getting rolled. The art these days is the 4 man gank. Deny that and the game is yours.

The problem I have with junglers largely is that they seem indifferent to the game if it doesn't jive with their world view. I'd say 30% of the time I'm having to teach someone how to gank. The biggest pet-peeve is with a constantly pushed enemy. Thats FREE KILLS. Just come and take them! Why won't they!

Anyway, that's my rant.

KinetikaDec 21, 20161 votes

I'm a jungle main. As any jungle main on the boards will tell you, we get abused more than any other position/role in the game, period. Doesn't matter how well you play for most part, or how poorly your teammates play, you WILL get blamed/flamed.

Top lane feeding because they're outmatched or overextended repeatedly? You didn't gank enough.

Bot lane getting ganked by the hyper mobile midlane Talon? You should be camping bot.

Midlane absolutely shit on because he picked a Syndra into a Yasuo? That Yasuo got 6 ganks. I got 0. It's the jungler's fault.

These people bitch and moan because they either have never played jungle, or it's been so long that they have forgotten just how many responsibilities that junglers have. 3 lanes to assist when possible, 6 jungle camps with 2 pretty effective buffs to protect. 2 rift scuttlers that provide free vision. A dragon that gives team buffs every 6 min and WILL be contested. Rift Herald. Baron. Ganks. Counterganks.

To put it in perspective - outside of support which has a similar type of responsibility - the laners need to worry about trades and CS. Avoiding the occasional gank perhaps. Trying to push to get their tower. That's it.

Regular laners have no clue how difficult jungling can be, especially if you have more than 1 lane that is losing.