How you treat your supports, AKA biting the hand that fed you

Lost R··34 votes·1,993 views

So this is indicative of the kind of treatment that supports deal with regularly. I don't want to equate it with civil rights, but people's responses (read: raging) turns it into reflections of historic issues.

The latest chapter of this was in my first game this morning. I was Braum and the ADC was Graves. He demands in the champion select that I build him a Zeke's. I think about it and eventually agree. In the first five or so minutes in the game, we stomp the bot lane... and then I kill a minion. He starts getting bitchy with me, even though he was not around to claim it and it was going to get killed by a minion anyways. I ignore it... and then in our next exchange of fire with the enemy, I'm coming back to the lane, he's already engaged with the enemy. I'm hoping he'll survive long enough for me to get in there and save him from getting blown up. I jump past him as he jumps back, as he's low on health, and I engage with the support to hold them back as he gets to safety.

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....And then I accidentally kill her. Right as Graves fires his ult.

He starts SCREAMING at me in a massive string of profanity for stealing his kill, and continues to do so for the rest of the game. Even after I got him fed, even after he's stomping the fuck out of the enemy, even though we won the game, he's still blood-puking pissed at me for stealing his kill because, in his words, "You're the support".

There is no excuse for treating the support like that when they got you an extremely early lead. They are not second class citizens, they are not your personal slaves. They are champions playing a different role. You want to know why there are so few and dwindling dedicated supports out there right now? Because of your excessive mistreatment. You expect them to basically be your butler for the game and yet you shit all over them for literally everything that goes wrong. So what if they get a few kills? An enemy death is always a good thing, no matter who claims it; it opens you up to do other things, like claim objectives or fall back to recuperate. Stop thinking about this game only in kills, and stop thinking of the support as nothing more than a playable minion.

39 Comments

MeilinII13 votes

I don't know why you're getting downvoted. Even the ADC's I know well and like occassionaly get annnoyed about an accidental KS and the worst ADCs get really rude about it. My worst offender is Nami . Bounce a heal to keep the stupidly low ADC from dying, accidentally KS. Try to bubble/ult the enemy so they can't flee, accidental KS. Gee, I'm sorry that I'm trying to save your ass. Go take your CS now that they're out of the way.
[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Lost R3 votes

I've gotten a few accidental kills that way. One of the more recent was just me trying to heal/buff the ADC as they tried (in vain) to chase enemy Thresh under the turret for that one last basic attack. I didn't see the actual kill. I just saw Cait leave the top of my screen with my Ebb & Flow jumping to her. I see it jump above her right as she leaves the screen, and suddenly BAM! I got the kill. She didn't get mad about it, fortunately. That's a freak accident, if anything, but the end result is the same. They're not around, so exploit the moment of silence!

MeilinII1 votes

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I've gotten a few accidental kills that way. One of the more recent was just me trying to heal/buff the ADC as they tried (in vain) to chase enemy Thresh under the turret for that one last basic attack. I didn't see the actual kill. I just saw Cait leave the top of my screen with my Ebb & Flow jumping to her. I see it jump above her right as she leaves the screen, and suddenly BAM! I got the kill. She didn't get mad about it, fortunately. That's a freak accident, if anything, but the end result is the same. They're not around, so exploit the moment of silence!

I main Nami, so I do it All. The. Time. I make my partner nuts. We're both aggressive as hell so he always thinks I'm doing it on purpose when it happens a few times a game before he gets some kills (he never seems to care once fed) but most of the time I'm just like I'M SORRRRYYYYY item 3070 Amumu item 3070

Rendarkan1 votes

Lux "Oops I accidentally Ult sniped your kill. Finger slipped."

MeilinII1 votes

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Lux "Oops I accidentally Ult sniped your kill. Finger slipped."

Annie "Oops, I 100-0'd the ADC. Have fun CSing now that they're gone!" ^The only support I unapologetic-ally murder things with

KoggyStyle1 votes

nami op no re

LoveBrah7 votes

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Darkblade316 votes

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When Leona W goes off ..........

All item 2043 on me

isnt it funny how i somehow found this post and ur comment when ur on my friends list? lelelel

Drehirth7 votes

lol... I think I need to make a montage of how I treat my supports (like a gift from above most of the time, and absolutely worst case scenario is me not saying anything to them).

A janna accidently auto attacks/steals the cannon minion Janna: "Fuck sorry!" me: "lol dw"

We double kill them botlane, but my thresh gets both kills Thresh "sorry! nerves didn't mean to" me: "lol serious? without your well timed exhaust I would've died"

I don't understand why I hear so much adc hating on supports when all you do is decrease your chance of them helping you if they end up hating you...

Lauchmelder7 votes

First blood on a support is better than first blood on the ADC. Why? The enemy ADC most likely is dead so you will get a gold and exp lead anyway, PLUS your support can buy his Sightstone ultra fast.

EfficientDynamo4 votes

Thankfully I rarely get flamed like that, even when I play as Zyra and my plants accidentally secure kills. Honestly, I feel riot should make a statement that if a support is flamed or harassed, they have the right to go and support another lane without facing any negative repercussions from reports.

revliledpembroke3 votes

Welcome to the League of Toxic as hell ADCs. There are like, 5, ADC mains that aren't massive douchebags in all of NA. In my support experience, Vayne's are worse than any other.

Truly Prideful3 votes

Whenever the support I'm laning with says sorry I'm just like "???? What happened?" I really don't get annoyed as long as it wasn't obviously intentional on an enemy that had zero chance of escape. I'll gladly take my 2 waves of freefarm thank you very much. I'll never understand the people that flip shit over it, most of your gold comes from cs anyway so if you're not csing like ass the assist gold is fine.

Lost R3 votes

The few times I've ADCed, that's happened. We get in a scrum with the enemy (usually our jungler is involved), and our support ends up claiming the kill.

Sona Oops Im sorry

KogMaw It's fine. Just push to their turret.

I'm fine enough with the assist. Champion kills are a means to an end (the end being a destroyed enemy Nexus), but people make it the end to itself. That's why you have Vaynes that reach full build at 25 minutes yet continue to farm the jungle when there are greater objectives to be claimed, like dragon, baron, one of the turrets or inhibitors or even the Nexus itself. People become obsessed with the scores, and get incensed at anything that might disrupt that.

Iqqi2 votes

Sorry man. You certainly didn't deserve that. The truth is despite Riot's public PR messages against this sort of behavior. In game they completely support it. I am sorry.

Lost R2 votes

Riot doesn't support ANY kind of toxic behavior against anyone. This is entirely the fault of the community for adopting this Ayn Randian mentality that the only thing that matters in the game is themselves and everyone else needs to be shit on.

Iqqi1 votes

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Riot doesn't support ANY kind of toxic behavior against anyone. This is entirely the fault of the community for adopting this Ayn Randian mentality that the only thing that matters in the game is themselves and everyone else needs to be shit on.

When you build something that enables such behavior and you do nothing about it, you are supporting that behavior. Is Riot the problem? No. Did they create and continue to maintain the systems that are the lifeblood of the problem? yes. Have they dont anything significant to stop the problem? no. I get it you like Riot and Riot are not the ones spreading all the hate. At the same time it is their game, it is their system that are being used for these means and it is their choice to let the behavior continue.

Borsalino2 votes

I just play Brand support.

MasterSomething2 votes

People wonder why support is almost always given to them when they select fill/support. It's because literally nobody else plays it because of toxic ADCs.

Lost R4 votes

I have made other threads about it. The community has systematically killed the support class on a social level with the abuse. Then they wonder why queue times take forever and there are so few supports. Ironically, they still don't take notice of this and go right back to abusing the support in the rare instance that they actually get one.

MasterSomething3 votes

People are even demanding that they make it so fill doesn't force you as support. Reap what you sow, league community.

Lost R2 votes

Funny enough, I might actually support that as a social experiment... PUN INTENDED. Show people for real the effects of destroying an entire role. Anyone who wants to be the support will have to actively select it as an intended role.

MasterSomething1 votes

Support Role gone WRONG! [Social Experiment] [In the Hood] [Gone Sexual] [Lost R] [Just a prank, bro]

The Whamboozler1 votes

This just in... everyone in league treats everyone else like crap. Welcome to the internet. It's sad, but it's true.

Carries do tend to be the worst tho, since they're the ones with the nice scores at the end of won games more often than not. Big egos abound.

Rendarkan1 votes

"Tough shit kill them faster then."

I have no shame in claiming a kill if the chance shows itself. Piss on whatever the ADC says a kill is a kill. If they want to cry about it just tell them to cry a river, build a boat, take your issue and sail away.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

I agree, the majority of players treat their supports like trash. And with the removal of assist sprees and nerfs of the gold generating items, supports are starved for gold as much as earlier seasons. Unfortunately with the snowballing changes they also tend to shafted for levels too.

For some examples; I had a game as nami the other day with a jihn, we were against a draven & soraka, and were loosing lane. Once our pantheon started roaming we started makng a comeback; all game long, soraka & me were THE lowest leveled champions on our teams all game long. Despite soraka winning her lane, she still ended up being the lowest level in the game; and both of us were 2 items behind for nearly 10 minutes, we didn't start catching up in gold until the teamfights. I usually take the blue or yellow eye since the green one is next to useless late game when your entire team 2 shot minions.

Even in the teamfights we weren't having much impact, between pantheon, zed, xinzhao & leesin, niether of us could heal our teammates fast enough; nor could we cc the enemy players as they'd just sidestep with ease. Teamfights ended up boiling down to which pair of assassins could instakill the enemy team, but that's not why the game lasted this long. Pantheon was raging all game long, constantly blaming his teamates for dying while using them for bait so he could get easy kills. When we (as jihn & leesin asked as well) requested pantheon to stay as a group instead of just waiting on the flanks, he laughed and refused; we could've won 15 minutes earlier if he actually tried playing with the team.

Between being behind in gold & levels nearly every game, and arrogant players bashing their own team, support isn't a wanted role at all. It wouldn't surprise me if the meta shifted back to kill lanes or something more drastically different.

Lost R1 votes

A Nami is actually a very dangerous tool when it comes to dealing with melee assassins, especially ones with a very obvious lead-up like the exact ones you just mentioned. She has a crowd stun skillshot and a heal that damages nearby enemies (or a damage spell that heals nearby allies), both of which can be pretty devastating to assassins who have only one path to get to you. The stun causes them to remain in melee range, unable to attack or escape just long enough for the team to retaliate with their own firepower. Zed's even worse because his ult has a grace period before it hits where he identifies who his target is, giving you enough reaction time to throw down a stun right as he reappears. On top of that, his shadow switch skills incentivize him to attack the deepest and most fragile target first since he can blink back to safety once he's done, putting him right in the heart of the enemy team. If he gets stuck there, he's as good as dead.

Supports have lots of menace (simply put, "what can this champion do to me?"), but their menace is meant to work in conjunction with their allies. Braum, for example, his stun is dangerous, his ranged slow/stun is dangerous, his jump is dangerous (used properly, it can even be used in lanes as an initiation tool!), his block is dangerous and his ult is dangerous, but all of his skills are heavily dependent on him being with an ally. He jumps to his allies to close the gap while their either engaging with the enemy or getting attacked by the enemy, his block protects his allies with the greater firepower from ranged attacks, his slow stops them from pursuing or escaping from combat, his stun incentivizes his teammates to focus on specific targets, and his ult disrupts channeled abilities and breaks up the enemy's tactics just long enough for his team to retaliate. A Braum with a team nearby has tons of menace, but alone, not so much. His block, while it prevents damage to him, is primarily meant to divert damage from his more fragile, but powerful allies; he can take it either way, they can't, hence the menace.

The same applies to every other support out there. They all have menace, but it requires the rest of the team for it to exist. If you think about the game in a single-player/1v9/"me against the world" fashion (the mentality of too many assassins out there and just players in general), then you won't understand the menace of supports and teamwork, and you'll never recognize your full potential.

This isn't a bash against assassins, by the way. Assassins have a role in the game same as any other (get in fast and kill high value targets), but their role is far too generalized, emphasized and romanticized to be healthy for the state of the game. It's not uncommon to see upwards of three or four assassins on a team in your average game these days. On top of that, their low utility and general end-point of cooperation (supports lay down the stuns to hold down targets for the assassin to finish them off) lets these selfish mentalities fester naturally, regardless of your or Riot's intentions.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

I know supports can be a threat by proxy; problem was that pantheon & leesin were our only frontliners, so xinzhao & zed could just walk up to us and 2 shot us. Jihn was behind along with me, so we weren't doing much, and lux was the only other one ahead on our team; leesin was put more behind than bot lane from constantly being invaded. Xinzhao & zed always flanked from opposite sides, so even if i stunned one of them, the other would just telefrag one of us; and with her ult having a lengthy cast time, it'd get us killed more often than not. And while leesin actually tried to focus down one of the assassins with us, pantheon kept just running into the enemy group to 1v3, often just being a pointless 1 for 1. The game took longer than it should've because of him trying to be a hero instead of working with the team.

However I will bash them since there is so many constantly played these days; spending 1/3 of the game dead isn't remotely fun when you barely get a chance to do anything.

MalaceX1 votes

Problem #1: There are A LOT of bad ADC players. Problem #2: There are A LOT of bad Graves players entering the scene. Problem #3: There are A LOT OF bad Support players. Problem #4: There are Support players who intentionally steal farm and kills. Problem #5: There are A LOT of ADCs and Support players who do not know how to control minion waves. Problem #6: Anonymous players have no reason to be courteous to other anonymous players (strangers).

Healurownbum1 votes

Might not be the way to go a bout it all but i have stopped trying to say sorry i have stopped trying to ask them to be polite and i am trying to get angry myself anymore.

Now a days i just reply with: Ohhh keep it up big boy that dirty talk does it for me gets me raging hard!

I know not very elegant but it either makes them stop talking and if not at least the others in the team have a giggle.

If it does get worse tho i just have to mute them. I can still do my job well enough assume they are an bad AI and will make silly mistakes and you are just there to make sure they do not die cause of it.

But to be clear I always try and talk in champ select ask what the ADC would like and if he will be mostly farming minions in lane or wants me to pick something to set up kills easier. Altho they barely ever reply but then again im silver so might just be the elo.

Oh and i know.... not really the way i should go a bout it all... <.>

MalaceX2 votes

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Might not be the way to go a bout it all but i have stopped trying to say sorry i have stopped trying to ask them to be polite and i am trying to get angry myself anymore.

Now a days i just reply with: Ohhh keep it up big boy that dirty talk does it for me gets me raging hard!

I know not very elegant but it either makes them stop talking and if not at least the others in the team have a giggle.

If it does get worse tho i just have to mute them. I can still do my job well enough assume they are an bad AI and will make silly mistakes and you are just there to make sure they do not die cause of it.

But to be clear I always try and talk in champ select ask what the ADC would like and if he will be mostly farming minions in lane or wants me to pick something to set up kills easier. Altho they barely ever reply but then again im silver so might just be the elo.

Oh and i know.... not really the way i should go a bout it all... <.>

Some things you have said remind me of why Supports may think some ADCs are toxic.

All good ADCs should be farming. The Support you chose shouldn't be dependent on what your "ADC likes or how they play."

  1. Look at enemy comp and where your team may be lacking in team fights against them.
  2. Look at or ask what ADC they will play. If the ADC has no escape/dash/mobility, you will need to pick someone with a disengage and/or to soak up damage when ADC is jumped on.

As a Support, choosing a ranged or melee support is dependent on your personal ability to zone out the enemy bot lane from 1) getting cs 2.) making uncontested trades and 3.) going all-in on your ADC.

One very important issue I have seen with Supports is not understanding Minion Wave Control. Some Supports will hit minions (even when not killing them), but may not understand that will rush the minion wave until the enemy tower, pushing the lane and making it more vulnerable to ganks. Likewise, not having knowledge of Minion Wave Control can cause a melee support to push his lane too far, making his ADC an easy target with little he can do about it.

On the other hand, having a range Support who only uses skills, doesn't conserve mana, lacks knowledge of efficient ward placements, and/or doesn't auto attack while enemy ADC is last hitting creates long term issues that far exceeds a single game.

Healurownbum1 votes

I always try and adjust to both my own team and the enemy team but personally i want to try and start of right with my lane partner.

Knowing if the want to either farm more or try and get kills also effects the choice i make in who i play.

I just wish i could play melee but melee is generally suppose to be some what tanky and from my experience i won't be able to get any gold from spoils of war mid to late game cause everybody blows up the waves and it means i have sightstone boots FotM and maybe one other item i get blown up pretty easily still then.

And i honestly have no idea how to change that. I have the feeling i might be missing something or not doing something or just expecting too much from myself being a support tank. But asking ppl to let me use my stacks never works.

But honestly i rly do try to adjust to my team and the enemy team. But to make the lane as comfortable as possible i want to be able to talk to my ADC with my ADC see what he wants to do try and find out his playstyle from the start. Cause i feel like i'm already 2 points behind if i do not know what he needs or wants.

Got to be honest tho this is the first season i really put effort in to ranked so all the advice up there ^ it helps.

And i might just be expecting too much from others as well.

Croceum1 votes

A kill is a kill. If I'm ADCing and a support gets the last hit, that's fine. Just one less person in lane so I should be able to push and make up for it on the minions or possibly tower. I would rather ensure a kill rather than have someone sneak away or unnecessarily kill one of us.

WadeWilson13371 votes

I have a solution to your problem. Play item 3092 Thunderlords Blitzcrank . If you take kills, fuck the sightstone and rush frost queens, youll do so much damage if your adc tilts and flames you can 100-0 a carry with your ult in the laning phase and get your team ahead. Everyone wins!

Lost R1 votes

Get out of here, Deadpool, nobody asked you!

Gwellaouen1 votes

It's been a long time since I didn't have an adc like this. Lucky me. ^^

But the other role that seems to be a butler is the jungler. Tough, I didn't have those kind of teams for a long time too. For the jungler, the fact is that every lane want to be baby sit and every lane shits on the jungler if they died. Yeah, I am taking risks by playing Support and Jungler. At least, I like playing adc too.

Depends of the kind of adc that you have as Support. Some adc will tend of playing more passive early than others. Depends also of the combination of the adc/support. If you have Lucian/Nami or Jinx/Thresh you would want to engage. ^^

A831 votes

I used to main support. But now I only play with people I know because quite frankly, if you don't know your adc, they're going to hate you. good or bad support. the poor support gets hated on. summoner 3 Gettin tired of this

erindine1 votes

Every support main encounters "that" ADC who tells you what champ to play, what to build, and despite whether you do those things or not still will flame everything you do. I immediately apologize for KSing and more often than not, a normal ADC will just say "no problem" or "a kill is a kill," but there's always that one ADC (normally the same b*tch that doesn't buy a pink ward the entire game) decides you have committed high treason. It's ridiculous.

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