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Why is Tyler1 still banned but other steamers are free to go?

General Esdeath ··4 votes·6,743 views

I'm not someone who thinks Tyler1 was right in what he did, but he seems to have actually reformed. I heard before his "Ban on sight" he had leveled a new account while being completely non-toxic despite people trying to make him angry, and has been seen on some streams (Iwilldominate) acting fine. Meanwhile Meteos inted all of new years, Kacey afk's in games, and not a single punishment for either of them?

Hell Jensen had a "tyler1" treatment for the same things except he actually DDoS'd people, something that can get the other person banned (And I believe is illegal in the USA) but it was lifted so he could play competitive? Riot, why can such a double standard exist? I'm not saying unban Tyler's old accounts, but let the man play on stream. He's pretty funny, and he's a great cook! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Thread inspired by finding this old gem https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/8a75KeUR-the-indefinite-banning-of-tyler1

51 Comments

LostFr0st5 votes

Regardless of what is shown by him or watchtyler, it's been confirmed that his new accounts have some marks on them for behaviour. Yes, he has improved. Is he 100% non-toxic, unlikely.

If he had made this kind of change before they indefinitely banned him as a person, he likely wouldn't have been banned the way he did.

Also note that "indefinite ban of a person" doesn't mean "forever." It just means that the ban doesn't have a confirmed hard ending date.

Guanxi2 votes

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Regardless of what is shown by him or watchtyler, it's been confirmed that his new accounts have some marks on them for behaviour. Yes, he has improved. Is he 100% non-toxic, unlikely.

If he had made this kind of change before they indefinitely banned him as a person, he likely wouldn't have been banned the way he did.

Also note that "indefinite ban of a person" doesn't mean "forever." It just means that the ban doesn't have a confirmed hard ending date.

No one is "100% non-toxic". Idc who the fuck you are.

LostFr0st3 votes

he had leveled a new account while being completely non-toxic despite people trying to make him angry

^Quote from the OP. That's why that 100% is there. You are indeed correct that nobody is non-toxic, but T1 has had so many accounts banned (22 or is it more now?) that the indicator paper is sensitive to a very possible relapse.

ScantyXKneesocks2 votes

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^Quote from the OP. That's why that 100% is there. You are indeed correct that nobody is non-toxic, but T1 has had so many accounts banned (22 or is it more now?) that the indicator paper is sensitive to a very possible relapse.

He seriously has had 20+ accounts banned?!? XD how salty is this guy?

LostFr0st2 votes

He was very salty :3

He's fun to watch now though since he has made a lot of headway in improving his attitude. He now thinks of himself as a performer instead of rage-grinding soloqueue. Therefore he's a lot more chill.

He kept count in his Twitch FAQ. Idk if he has updated it since the "ban-on-sight" ones don't really count since he didn't get those banned through hard-work.

I wouldn't mind if he got unbanned someday if he keeps up the current work ethic.

SecondAirbane2 votes

he'd be much more fun to watch if he threw greek away lol

also i agree with qtpie i miss old tyler hehexd

LostFr0st1 votes

Yes... indeed he would.

General Esdeath 3 votes

inb4 he becomes a caster at LCS

"I don't know what Bjerg is doing, but if I was his adc right now I'd already have 6 tears"

LostFr0st1 votes

That would legit be hilarious. Imagine the quips between him and Phreak.

General Esdeath 1 votes

"That was a good play, wouldn't you agree Tyler?"

"Hehe ecks dee it was. Phreak, when we gonna 1v1?"

http://st.elohell.net/public/chill/c078c3bd8ae7b3a686a5c09c80f60c74.png

LostFr0st1 votes

I'd have love to see their reaction when the teams were baiting Baron without mid priority and the enemy AD just ran it down (for sure one time was Arrow? as Kalista.) Would have been gold.

General Esdeath 1 votes

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Bettnachleger1 votes

lol that was a good one ;^)

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

IIRC, several of the bans were (partially) due to using purchased accounts.

General Esdeath 1 votes

If it's a report for saying something like "Shut up" I wouldn't mind it since I can mute. And IIRC the reports came from somewhere around his IP address, which could be the university he attends. He claims it was his GF using his PC but her own account.

LostFr0st1 votes

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If it's a report for saying something like "Shut up" I wouldn't mind it since I can mute.

Not sure what the punishment he got on an account was for. Didn't get the exact details.

And IIRC the reports came from somewhere around his IP address, which could be the university he attends. He claims it was his GF using his PC but her own account.

Is there a link? If it's from T1 himself it doesn't count unless it's a screenshot from riot support.

General Esdeath 1 votes

I believe Phreak said it on stream. Also the line itself implies they'd have to know his IGN, which is unlikely as they'd just ban on sight.

LostFr0st1 votes

I watched that stream live... might have to re-watch the vod then I guess.

Yeah, they knew about the account and they were watching him for a bit before banning it outright. I'd hazard a guess that he was stomping lower elo games with account after account so they were better off letting one go in a controlled flight path.

There was a long run where someone was streaming his games as a spectate, and just as he got to Masters (I think he passed promos?) the account got banned.

General Esdeath 1 votes

I say just let him be in high elo. If their report system works, he'll be banned the second he acts toxic.

LostFr0st1 votes

Well, that's the rub of it all really. Until Riot openly acknowledges and uncages him publicly, they can't let him roam free without looking like they're making an exception for the sake of views/favouritism/etc. He'll probably at least be sitting out for the rest of this season.

There is a new int/feeder detection system going live soon though, and a big part of his bans was that so you never know what could happen.

HexaDecimel3 votes

Jensen received a one year suspension from league. After that year was up he was allowed to create a new account and start over. He never got his old accounts back. And since that time he has proven that he reformed.

Kacey probably should be banned.......from league and twitch, lol.

Iwilldominate and other players have all received punishments and lost their old accounts. However the game is lenient and allows players to create new accounts and offers them a chance to improve their behaviour.

The fact of the matter is that Tyler1 went above and beyond standard toxicity. He managed to get over 20+ accounts perma banned for his behaviour. He ruined countless games and furthermore advertised it as entertainment to his viewers. That is why he is a special case. And even tho he appears to have improved, Riot confirmed that he was still getting reported and receiving punishments of accounts he is currently making.

Nørse2 votes

I think DDoSing anyone should far and away merit a more severe punishment than simply being a rager. Being a loud douche isn't illegal, DDoSing is VERY illegal.

So if Jensen can break the law, and still be allowed to play. Surely a reformed rage machine should be allowed to play without being hounded.

HexaDecimel1 votes

You literally ignored everything I just said.....

Jensen broke the code and was punished. He lost the right to play the game for a year. And since then he came back and proved that he had reformed.

Tyler broke the code countless times, had over 20 accounts banned, and incited others the act the same way. Riot was extremely lenient with him and gave him so many opportunities to change. Now he has to face the music. And Riot already confirmed that he had improved but was still getting alot of valid reports.

Nørse1 votes

I didn't ignore anything you said. I merely gave my opinion that a player who broke the law, should be someone who gets punished more heavily than a flamer. I don't care how many accounts he's gotten banned. It's like trying to say "A guy who jay walked 20 times should get the same prison sentence as a serial killer." Jensen should have lost all privileges to play, however being that he was an LCS player, naturally he gets lenience despite doing something far worse than most of us will ever see in our match lobbies.

Other players who DDOS'd weren't afforded that deal, why should he get any special treatment. Pro's should be held to the same or (arguably) a higher standard than the average player.

HexaDecimel1 votes

Jensen was punished more heavily. When you consider that once he was caught he received an instant ban from competitive play for a year and lost all his previous accounts. Other players who have been caught for DDOS'ing generally just get perma banned and then go and make a new account so it isn't like Jensen received special treatment. What he got was consistent with what any other player would have got. However, because he was also an LCS player he received a one year competitive ban on top of that.

Tyler had it much better. He slowly racked up reports until he got accounts banned. He acted out and over time he lost accounts and created new ones. The major problem was that he kept doing it and refused to change. He displayed this idea that it didnt matter how you act in the game and Riot cant stop you. He was influencing thousands of other players to just be assholes because all that would happen is that you lose your account and you make a new one.

I know that I have seen players instalock draven and purposely lose games while saying "For Tyler1". I am not saying that raging/inting/afk'ing is worse then DDOS. But Tyler went over and above that, and furthermore incited other players to do the same.

Nørse1 votes

Should have been a lifetime competitive ban. He cheated. He broke the law to do so. There should never have been a redemption story.

shrug I've played since Season 1. I've never seen Tyler1 ever get mentioned in a game, honestly don't even know who the dude is. Not saying he doesn't deserve what he got, just asserting that I think what Jensen did was far worse, and he should have gotten far worse.

General Esdeath 1 votes

I think he should have been arrested.

General Esdeath 1 votes

I'm not asking for him to get his accounts back, I said he should be able to stream again. And they said they've gotten reports from accounts at his IP address, which if I recall correctly was a college at one point.

Guanxi2 votes

He ran it down mid, would state "ks" on literally every kill he didn't get, bought 6 tears, flamed his teammates to shit, etc. I love the guy, I think he's funny, and I agree that he should deserve that second chance, but he has had infractions on recent accounts, that's why they're skeptical on the whole thing.

ScantyXKneesocks2 votes

From what I have researched his "toxicity" finally caught up with him. This means riot probably had enough reports to do something about it. But from what ive seen its for the better. The less toxic streamers and players we have the better the community can heal

ScantyXKneesocks2 votes

Im not toxic. I have no reason to get toxic over a video game

Jo0o2 votes

Tyler1 was so incredibly toxic that he changed the entire game. I'm some random casual player nowhere near his skill level, but despite having a 0% chance of every playing with Tyler1, I've lost games due to his fanboys locking Draven and running it down mid saying "For Tyler!" or similar.

Let that sink in. Tyler1 was so incredibly toxic that he influenced games that he wasn't even a part of .

I think we're beyond reformation and evaluating his conduct in the present. Tyler was so fucking bad for the game that his black mark on League will endure indefinitely. Riot wants somebody like that as far away from their product as possible, regardless of what he's doing at this moment.

Paquay2 votes

What I don't get about the people who want Tyler1 unbanned is how they don't understand it doesn't matter if he is reformed or not. The ban was permanent. Not "TBD at a later date pending reformation."

There comes a point when you screw up so much, that a line is drawn and that's it, it's over. This is not a reformation project by Riot where Tyler1 is allowed to come back and play if he behaves. It's a punishment for the dozens of accounts he went through and the thousands of games he ruined.

It matters 0 of he is reformed. That ship sailed a long time ago.

General Esdeath 1 votes

That's an account ban, I'm talking about letting him stream League without banning every account he makes. And as I said, Jenson had the same thing magically lifted away even though he did much worse.

Enraged Piglet2 votes

I mean sure other people have inted but Tyler1 has done it a lot more and has consistently done it for years and a lot of people were taking his stream as encouragement to be toxic as well.

Zykklon B1 votes

Phreaks remaining hair will disappear

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Some criminals are allowed out of jail on bail before their trial since they are not considered to be a risk to society, others are not granted that freedom because they are considered to pose a much higher risk to society.

That said, this post seems like it would better support the argument to elevate the punishments on those other players rather than to lighten the punishment on Tyler1.

I would much rather we ban more hackers / int-feeders / trolls than unban one.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Them streamers still haven't reach 27 permanent bans probably.

Edit: I'd be using the ironfist anyway with all such ppl. Making views/subs with extremely toxic behavior should grant you a ban for life.

Colgate Gator1 votes

Because he has had over 20+ accounts banned and Riot decided he isn't welcome to play anymore, that's why.

RookPusher1 votes

No one of worth cares about him. It's bad trolls who don't have any other cards to play that bring him up.

Colgate Gator1 votes

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No one of worth cares about him. It's bad trolls who don't have any other cards to play that bring him up.

The sad moment when I actually hope to any sort of deity they're just trolling and they aren't legit advocating for him to come back.

Ironically, all the people who cheer for him are people who have never played with him. Ah, but if they had found Tyler1 in their games and he had gone full inting? The pitchforks' supply would be oh so dry.

General Esdeath 1 votes

IWD, Dom, even Phreak has brought him up and I think they're worth caring about.

DrCyanide1 votes

I was seeing Tyler 1 fans copying his behavior in my own games, because they looked up to him and thought he was getting away with it. Not just copying bad behavior, but literally citing him as the reason they wouldn't get banned. To my knowledge he was actively encouraging that behavior.

The worst I've seen from another steamer was Kaceytron, but her fans weren't emulating her. People watched her to rage at her and take out their frustrations. People have played the game drunk before, and people have raged at their monitors before, I don't think that it's a good idea to ban the person (instead of the account) over that.

General Esdeath 1 votes

And I've seen people try to copy off meta pro builds, should we punish them too when they feed? I had a jungler ignore top because he thought TSM was amazing. Should I report him?

DrCyanide1 votes

Your example doesn't even make sense. For it to be remotely comparable, the Pro would needed to intentionally feed in a broadcasted match then try to get everyone to copy his intentional feeding, and he'd have to do that over and over and over again.

Intent is the thing you seem to be missing. Tyler 1 wanted his viewers to copy behavior he knew wasn't acceptable. He did so on a level that got attention. No streamer and no pro player I'm familiar with has been doing that. That's why Tyler 1 was banned instead of whoever else people try to pin down.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Not at all, they're imitating someone they saw. And feeding in games. Same thing man.

DrCyanide1 votes

It's only the same thing if you think feeding is the same as intentional feeding. There is a difference in both cases.

General Esdeath 1 votes

But the key of my example is someone following a streamer. Hell I got a guy in my game who used being drunk as an excuse because of Meteos.

DrCyanide2 votes

The key that you left out was intent.

Was Meteos encouraging people to get drunk and play the game? Is it something he regularly does? No. Was Tyler1 encouraging people to intentionally feed/troll/afk if things didn't go their way? Was it something he regularly did? Yes.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Tyler was not encouraging someone to go out and take draven and feed though.

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