Why doesn't league put low prio que players together?

Zuil·May 1, 2017·1 votes·794 views

DOTA has it and players try not to be super toxic because low prio que is an absolute nightmare to play in, why not have it in League?

11 Comments

PlsCheckThisBushMay 1, 20174 votes

http://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/2017/01/ask-riot-banished-to-prisoners-island/

It's mainly due to them trying to give players an actual chance at reforming. If they don't, they're escalated up the tiers of punishment until permanently banned. It's also very difficult for someone to reform if they're surrounded by constant negativity as it becomes the "social norm" at that point and is very discouraging to try and better one's self.

ZuilMay 1, 20171 votes

I think it's a wake up for toxic players. If they want to be toxic, match them with toxic people and see how they feel about other people calling them trash. I think that is a quicker realization at how awful they are to other people rather than a slap on the wrist chat restriction.

ModThe DjinnMay 1, 20175 votes

{quoted}If they want to be toxic, match them with toxic people and see how they feel about other people calling them trash.

This actually makes reform significantly harder. Riot can't really HELP a player choose to reform, but this would actively work AGAINST them by putting toxic players on a warning strike and legitimately TRYING to improve their behavior in a pool of those players most likely to provoke and/or antagonize them.

It's like asking a recovering alcoholic to attend AA meetings in a bar during happy hour, when fellow patrons are all offering to buy everyone a round.

This Is Your DadMay 2, 20172 votes

I find that toxicity spreads the hopelessness to other people. It exposes players that don't exhibit these behaviors to them, and as many players would call those who aren't toxic snowflakes and seem to defy the punishment system (seem to) it sometimes spreads within the community. I used to be a less toxic person that had fun winning and losing. Now it's win or you can't have fun because your teammates are going to spam "report x player" and tell you to kill yourself and uninstall when league may have been the only thing in your life keeping you straight.

DragfinMay 2, 20171 votes

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This actually makes reform significantly harder. Riot can't really HELP a player choose to reform, but this would actively work AGAINST them by putting toxic players on a warning strike and legitimately TRYING to improve their behavior in a pool of those players most likely to provoke and/or antagonize them.

It's like asking a recovering alcoholic to attend AA meetings in a bar during happy hour, when fellow patrons are all offering to buy everyone a round.

This is the kind of thinking that never accomplishes anything. Stop making excuses and try new things and see if they work before you axe an idea. Putting similar people together creates a better environment for others who do the right things and the idiots can deal with their own kind. Too much coddling today and a huge reason we have the problems we do. You take the soft stance and things deteriorate to epic levels because you don't put a stop to it to begin with. The longer you coddle asshats the longer and worse the act becomes.

ModThe DjinnMay 2, 20173 votes

{quoted}Putting similar people together creates a better environment for others who do the right things and the idiots can deal with their own kind.

The statistics we have are that the majority of people given a chat restriction ARE NOT PUNISHED AGAIN.

This means that the system, at its base level, works. Yes, each subsequent level of punishment has diminishing returns for the percentage that reforms.

What you're suggesting, however, would change those statistics by making reform less likely, since players who even only lose their temper occasionally (one chat restriction every year or two) would, during the time they're trying to get back into the groove of being a good person, be surrounded by assholes attempting to troll them.

In effect, you may as well just suggest harsher bans up front. It's the same net effect, without the frustrating "prisoner's island" format. And that's a fine suggestion, but it's easier to just get to the point: you want stricter punishments for toxicity.

Also, Riot doesn't NEED to try this new thing, because other companies HAVE. The data and the effects are well known and well documented in psychology. It's not a new idea -- it's one that we know pretty well.

DragfinMay 2, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=H92uIzAQ,comment-id=00020000000000010000,timestamp=2017-05-02T16:19:34.825+0000)

The statistics we have are that the majority of people given a chat restriction ARE NOT PUNISHED AGAIN.

This means that the system, at its base level, works. Yes, each subsequent level of punishment has diminishing returns for the percentage that reforms.

What you're suggesting, however, would change those statistics by making reform less likely, since players who even only lose their temper occasionally (one chat restriction every year or two) would, during the time they're trying to get back into the groove of being a good person, be surrounded by assholes attempting to troll them.

In effect, you may as well just suggest harsher bans up front. It's the same net effect, without the frustrating "prisoner's island" format. And that's a fine suggestion, but it's easier to just get to the point: you want stricter punishments for toxicity.

Also, Riot doesn't NEED to try this new thing, because other companies HAVE. The data and the effects are well known and well documented in psychology. It's not a new idea -- it's one that we know pretty well.

You can read more about it and why Riot decided what they did here.

Numbers and reality are two different things. Numbers appease the bosses for whatever reason. My guess is they are that stupid and lack the common sense to actually understand WTF is going on in reality. Experiences are real. If these numbers matched the experiences people are having then we would not be having this conversation and action instead of the same BS excuses would be happening. Instead of telling the boss what he wants to hear you tell him what is actually happening and things get fixed. Till then, politic all you want, because like in Washington, talk is cheap.