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The community getting worse is also partly because of us.

Snowman Arc··13 votes·9,481 views

And by us, I mean the good side of the community. Those people who rarely, if ever, flame, they don't troll and they are not toxic in general. But even those people are contributing to the problem sometimes, indirectly. How? When they use the report system.

Sometimes, you are so fed up and tilted by someone that you "report them for feeding". This is a classic case, where someone had a bad game, didn't play the way you liked and had a bad KDA (something like 3/10/4), so they must have been feeding, right? No, maybe it's just a bad game. Reporting them isn't right, and you should not be doing it.

My whole post only refers to this kind of report; inting. Do not report players just because they had a bad game, because then, Riot is forced to take a different approach to their mechanism with which they identify if people are feeding or not. For example, if every player who had a bad KDA was reported, then the few who actually int will not be punished, because the system can't identify them, except if they get repeatedly reported over a lot of games.

Take the time and understand what inting means, so that the system can be bettered to identify and punish the true inters.

23 Comments

makkii6 votes

I don’t consider people who report others for feeding without being sure the “good side” of the community

If I’m being honest, people who report halphazardly are even worse than inters themselves.

Inters can only ruin individual matches, whereas false reports can ruin a players entire league experience.

If you report in this fashion than in no way are you the “good” side of anything.

I’m not talking about you obviously, I’m just saying in general, people who do this honestly disgust me

Umbral Regent4 votes

While I agree that sending in false reports isn't indicative of good behavior, I don't see how false reports ruin a player's entire League experience.

False reports are disregarded by the IFS, and the procedure for reports of intentionally feeding is cautious enough that false reports get pruned pretty easily - since they'd rather not issue any bans without absolute surety that the person was intentionally feeding.

makkii3 votes

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While I agree that sending in false reports isn't indicative of good behavior, I don't see how false reports ruin a player's entire League experience.

False reports are disregarded by the IFS, and the procedure for reports of intentionally feeding is cautious enough that false reports get pruned pretty easily - since they'd rather not issue any bans without absolute surety that the person was intentionally feeding.

But as evidenced on the boards before players do fall through the cracks, which is bad especially considering how much people spend on their accounts, and really it’s the thought, the thought that people would just flippantly report someone with the intent to get that banned, is reprehensible

And I would consider getting chat bans or multi day account bans and especially permabans “ruining a players experience”

Umbral Regent2 votes

False bans do happen, though it's exceptionally rare, and Riot is more than willing to remove the ban when the player appeals it.

As for chat restrictions - as I mentioned, the IFS disregards false reports. The only way to get punished for chat related offenses is to actually break the rules and get reported for it - insults, flaming, etc. - and to get a ban for chat related offenses, one would have to be going out of their way to be a jerk or break the rules.

Though, of course, this is all said with the knowledge that there is a very slim chance for someone to be punished for innocuous chat, but, again, Riot is more than willing to undo a punishment that was placed in error.

FilDaFunk1 votes

The "good side" of the community doesn't vent their anger onto other players - they can deal with being tilted without reporting teammates.

Umbral Regent1 votes

I'm not sure exactly what you mean. If it's that the "good side" of the community should straight up not report anyone, then...Why? You have to explain why good players wouldn't report bad ones.

FilDaFunk1 votes

I wouldn't report someone because they're bad at the game - just those who intentionally ruin or make the game horrible to play.

Crimsonhaseo1 votes

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The "good side" of the community doesn't vent their anger onto other players - they can deal with being tilted without reporting teammates.

Only for so long, can honestly say I tend to be on the good side but I have my times when the bottle cap pops and I can't take it anymore and flip out, in fact I did it at the end of a game I just finished, and yes it was over DECLARED Inting, by which I mean the player said in /all chat "free kill going down mid lane" and literally did it twice, first time I went down with them cause I thought this might be a diversionary tactic to see if just 1 person came to get it, but no, this player did it directly and got me killed for following thinking they weren't serious. The second time I just watched them walk all the way to inhib, btw we had all their turrets down and just had to get to nexus to win, they had just 2 turrets total down on our side but this guy's inting literally turned the whole tide cause it was also the ADC. The enemy team won after the second inting cause we couldn't win the 4v5 team fight with our biggest power hitter out of it.

However this post has a single point, the game is balanced so tightly that 1 single player on a team can make or break the game, ruining 4 other players' experience all cause they wanted to be the dick and see who'd rage at them. In Bronze especially it is the worst, it's easy to dive an account down to it and stay there. From there you can log in and do nothing but play half assed a while and then dive it down by inting later on and letting the other team win by making it a 4v5 very easily. When you report people it never feels like anything is ever done, you don't see anything or hear about anything, Riot doesn't chat with you and see if your report is true or if you're just reporting cause they pissed you off for something. It's all so automated from the player's end, you end a game, click report, select up to 3 issues, and type a very short description of what happened. From there you don't know if anything goes on. I have literally reported someone for Feeding and Harassment, and they were on my team AGAIN the very next game. Thankfully their harassment wasn't to me so they didn't continue it and they didn't feed the second game cause we had a good Jungle that time and a bad Jungle before hand. However I still felt like "I don't want to play with this guy cause I don't know if he'll start feeding again if he sees someone die 3 times in laning phase." That was what was in my thoughts at that time.

And yes there are people who literally will start feeding and being toxic over 3 deaths, at that point they throw up their hands and start claiming, "it's gg, you fed, we're done, FF" and try for a quick FF so they can queue up again. This is where I think having the Auto Fill is part of the issue, if queue times were longer then people wouldn't be in such a rush to FF and give up on a game when it's still barely started, but yes I do think the opposite is still true, they'll want to FF quickly so they can get the next queue over with that much faster. It's a double edged sword there.

Now to the guy who said "if you're 3/10/4 then you're just bad and you are feeding" Sorry no that's called having a bad game. I was just 4/11/7, why? cause my jungle never ganked my lane, or any ganks really cause they started at 3 minutes just before we could get a remake, their jg ganked me and top hard, and I followed someone who was trolling thinking they were going to play serious and end it as we were very close to doing so. Feeding isn't JUST walking into a fight and not trying to get away, but it's also leading your teammates into one and running while pinging to target someone who is chasing you like you're going to turn and help but you don't and let your teammate die. It comes to the point of you either are flamed for not listening to pings, or you listen to pings and flamed cause they were bad calls and you listened to them.

Toxic people and feeders are just like bullies in school, they think it's fun and there's no consequences to their actions so they keep doing it, or the consequences are so light that they can get away with it. For example, someone is racist in chat, they get a chat ban, "ok I can't type, big deal" few days later they keep doing the same thing again, another chat ban, repeat. For others, "oh I was banned for a day for inting, ok I'll play tomorrow and feed again and see who does shit, then I'll report everyone on my team for it as well." (here's where false reporting throws them a cover). Then you get hit with a few days banned, "ok I'll just make a new email, no life the game for a day and have a new account up in ranked games by tonight, then I can keep going". I know several people who have been "Permabanned" but then just make a new account immediately with a new email and get right back in to being toxic. Also there's people who make accounts JUST FOR being toxic on it on purpose. Of course Riot WON'T IP ban anyone cause there's the possible whining of "well that was my friend at my house!" or "My lil brother did that on his account why is mine banned too cause we share a PC!" Not to mention the money......yeah Riot is a business and they won't cut out a potential customer who'll pay for a skin a second time cause the first account was banned and they made a new one. Even though that potential customer is driving away other potential customers who just get fed up with the toxicity and leave the game entirely.

Jerry SeinfeId4 votes

Which is why we need report for unskilled player back. This didn't flag your account but gives the other side a way to blow off steam.

Snowman Arc1 votes

Also, it's an indication to match that player with lower-skilled players, if they keep getting it consistently.

PrometheS1 votes

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Also, it's an indication to match that player with lower-skilled players, if they keep getting it consistently.

No, it really shouldn't be. That's way too subjective. Either you win or lose, that's it. I don't want people padding their KDA while sitting in a corner so they can never die but also contribute nothing. And I don't want some flamer who probably doesn't even understand certain map pressure strategies hurting someone's MMR when split-pushing or invading etc.

NoJustice1 votes

This is needed 100% so players wont pick real bad match ups just to have fun in ranked. They will be worried about that kind of report.

FilDaFunk1 votes

I would never report someone for inting unless they literally spend the game being walking into the enemy team without trying to get away.

Morticianjohn1 votes

Yes the automated system can't catch trolls because of all the "false reporting" going on.

We need to cut out the false reports so that every report has a little more weight to it.

l Scarlet Rain l1 votes

you're the trash that is causing the community to be bad. Please dont ever make a post ever again. if theyre 3-10-4 theyre feeding. They need to be punished. op.gg them. Their scores whether they win or lose is always negative and KDA of 1.0 or lower. These types of players are constantly being destroyed in their games and require good teammates to carry them. But WHY?? its the problem with matchmaking. How can someone who is legitimately in silver 5-0 in lane destorying someone who is also silver but 0-5??? it just means that 1) either the 5-0 belongs to gold and the other guy is just bad and should stay silver or 2) the 5-0 is normal and 0-5 is just bad and belongs in bronze.

But question is how is it possible that there is such a difference in skill level when they are both silver and in the same game? cuz the 0-5 is boosted by good players on his team and then 5-0 gets trash on his team to make him lose his games even when he can dump his opponent in lane. Thats how unfair the system is. Its even worse than Gambling. Playing baccarat at least allows me to choose which one I think will win, but league the moment I take the gamble to go in Q, I get 9 randoms and its 4/9 chance of having the better players on my team which is less than 50%. Worse than gambling indeed

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

you didnt calculate the probability of getting a bad team right.

if there is a player who will carry the game in the mix, it is true there is only a 4/9 chance he will be on your team. so it is hard to gain rank by getting carried alone. but it is also true if there is a boosted player the odds are 5/9 for him to be on the other team. if there is a troll, 5/9 times he will be on the other team. an afk? 5/9 times he will be on the other team.

their matchmaking is actually very good at what it does. i believe the odds are with you more than they are against you since there are more trolls/boosted players than smurfs. with the odds on your side if you are a better than average player at your mmr, you will rank up.

Snowman Arc1 votes

Or maybe that person had a bad game, where everything was unlucky.

Drugoth1 votes

What if I rarely, if never report anyone? What kind of person does that make me?

PowerSlave9931 votes

Community gets worse because we are unsatisfied!!!

l Scarlet Rain l1 votes

theres so excuse for a bad game. bad game means ur playing bad like missing ults or missing CS. not positioning right to do the fullest dmg possible that you would have been able to on a good day for yourself.

But it does not mean that bad game = 0-10 in 20 mins. I like to use LCS players as reference but idk why bronzies always make an excuse and say well this isnt LCS so it doesnt apply to me. but here it goes:

LCS players are also human. they have bad days too at the lcs games. but u dont see them just walk down mid and die like you see in solo q games. theres a difference between bad game and just garbage. everyone has bad games, fine. but wtf are you doing dying at lvl 2 when the game just started 3 mins in???? how is that a bad game?? the game just started. bot lane literally just got to lane after leashing for jg and youre already dead in mid lane.. there is no excuse for bad games. just the fact that youre trash.

Example, theres a reason why IWD was so toxic to his former team liquid teammates. cuz theyre so shitt. look at how they always end 4th. so shit. but what can he do. rage at them and then get kicked from team. but guess what. Ends up the TL squad all got removed anyways cuz its true they were shit. replaced them with the current squad 2018 and bam 1st place. If your teammates are trash, everyone has the right to flame them. dont cry over being flamed. in the real world when u work for you boss, you cant cry when u do a bad job and your boss yells at you. suck it up. but white babies only know how to cry. sigh. bad parenting results in cry babies growing up into society

Snowman Arc1 votes

I believe that the point of this thread went way over your head.

Toxic Nymx1 votes

give people the chance to block players and never see them again in games and u will solve a lot of the problems.

Snowman Arc1 votes

You can't really do that. I already know I would have blocked 10% of the players I've faced (like 1 per game). If everyone did that, then matchmaking would take hours.

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