I know there are a lot of problems with behavior and it's hard for Riot to keep track of them all when it comes to banning.
BUT LOOK AT THIS GUY WTF. That made me feel broken inside that someone actually say these things. He even wrote after that he doesn't care and that we're all sensitive. The Miss Fortune was toxic calling us all bad and rage quitting, but this Talon went a step above.
ADepressedLeona17 votesThis kind of behavior honestly breaks my heart. I've been salty before sure, but telling people to kill themselves is far beyond salt, it delves into a brokenness of people, something that broke them so badly that they don't allow themselves to feel anymore, so it's just easy for them to say those kinds of things and not feel anything about it.
People like that honestly make me sad, because I'd like to believe people aren't born that way, something terrible had to happen in their life to make them like that. Or maybe I'm just naive.
Regardless, people like that make me just want to be their friend. Maybe if they have a friend they'll come around and stop being so hateful and cynical. And I realize this all sounds cliche' as shit, and it sounds sappy and dumb or whatever. But hey, it can't be the stupidest thing I've ever said.
XIII Vanitas5 votesLearn to read: the Talon didn't told anyone to suicide. He made a joke about suiciding and mentioned Gosu.
Avios18 votesDude, there is no joke of Suicide. anyone who even mentions that they should/have kill(ed) themselves is not a joke. A joke to one guy is a Death Sentence to another. anyone who could support this kind of behavior should just leave.
XIII Vanitas6 votesHe didn't say "MF should have killed herself"! He said "MF killed herself" as a ** joke**! Are you all functional illiterate and don't understand the HUGE difference between the two sentences?
A joke to one guy is a Death Sentence to another.
Nope. Doesn't work like that. If you wanted to go by that same logic, you should ban people for mentioning any health-threatening illness or real life tragic event.
Avios15 votesYou should read my comment then. I said Should/Have Kill(ed), as in it could have been Should kill themselves or Have Killed themselves.
XIII Vanitas4 votesThen you should have written "Should have killed/Killed". Anyways, no, I don't agree with you. Jokes in bad taste are still jokes and if you don't want to listen to them you can press the mute button. None is being harassed, none is being told to cause harm to himself/herself or someone else, so I don't have any problem with what Talon is saying and I don't think this should be a reportable offense.
Avios16 votesThen you should have written "Should have killed/Killed". Anyways, no, I don't agree with you. Jokes in bad taste are still jokes and if you don't want to listen to them you can press the mute button. None is being harassed, none is being told to cause harm to himself/herself or someone else, so I don't have any problem with what Talon is saying and I don't think this should be a reportable offense.
First off, not sure what the difference
Secondly, I'm not sure you get the point. Even joking about about suicide is not. a. joke. There is serious injury to what can happen when people joke about this kind of thing.
Also, there is no Mute button on the forums, my friend.
XIII Vanitas4 votesThere is serious injury to what can happen when people joke about this kind of thing.
What do you mean? I really don't understand what you're trying to say. How can the possible outcome of something receive injury?
Also, there is no Mute button on the forums, my friend.
We're not talking about something on the boards; we're talking about what someone has said in a game, where the mute button exists. If you read something you don't like on the boards, you're free to stop reading whenever you want, or comment your criticism on the matter. But I feel like you're having different issues than the ones expressed in this post, because you're clearly going off-topic.
Avios14 votesWhat do you mean? I really don't understand what you're trying to say. How can the possible outcome of something receive injury?
We're not talking about something on the boards; we're talking about what someone has said in a game, where the mute button exists. If you read something you don't like on the boards, you're free to stop reading whenever you want, or comment your criticism on the matter. But I feel like you're having different issues than the ones expressed in this post, because you're clearly going off-topic.
Alright, then I will try to explain it, although my wording is not the best. I would like to express that there is a Consequence to every action, as we all know. but when it comes down to something as low as saying someone committed suicide, it really puts others down. Like the topic says, "This kind of behavior is disgusting and a blow to my heart.", it breaks mine too. even if the player is not in the game, the attitude and expression brings out the others through Empathy, the emotional bond that links other's feelings to each other. (something along those lines.)
It's really just an empathy thing right here, but this is a new level. saying someone killed themselves is just downright wrong and not something that any normal person would say. I have been told to commit suicide, that I'm braindead and shouldn't play, and most other things in the game. But this is just a different tier to me. this is really evil, that someone could have the thought to type out that expression, because you don't know if it is true or not. (yes, yes, I know, it is almost never true. but almost.)
There is really a huge emotional link to any expression that contains the thought of suicide, weather past or present tense, it is truly repulsing.
Tl;Dr - Through emotions of others, and Empathy, this is just downright disgusting, and anyone who has any guts to type these words, let alone say it outloud is completely immoral and really brings out the sympathy in others.
(Also, sorry for the long post.)
XIII Vanitas4 votesNo, thank you for answering. This sheds some light on the way you and OP think. I have better understanding of your opinion, but I still don't share it, because I don't believe in a thought police that controls what everyone says and ban words based on the possible emotional response that some people might have.
ARequestOfDeath1 votesyea why would you joke about some thing so good that it is against the law
alasarcher13 votesI dont understand why does it affect you. He said and i quote "MF killed herself like gosu". Gosu didnt kill himself, so what he basically said was : MF didnt kill herself. Its a blow to your heart that MF didnt kill herself?
Legal Wrights39 votesThe thing was Gosu was planning on killing himself and came around when his friends and supporters begged him. Like, he had everything set up and was gonna do it man. You don't fuck with that kind of thing. It's basically like if people made Nazi jokes to the Jewish immediately after WW2 ended.
alasarcher9 votes[{quoted}](name=Legal Wrights,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=F5EYFf4X,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-01-05T02:49:41.249+0000)
The thing was Gosu was planning on killing himself and came around when his friends and supporters begged him. Like, he had everything set up and was gonna do it man. You don't fuck with that kind of thing. It's basically like if people made Nazi jokes to the Jewish immediately after WW2 ended.
Ye but, he didnt do it. What that talon said means absolutely nothing. And dont compare it to holocaust which actually happened.
iHerring31 votesWell aren't you just a precocious little downvote farmer?
1st post : Pedantic, literal interpretation that goes out of it's way to ignore the intent of what Talon said. 2nd post : Gosu was about to kill himself but he didn't, so everything was fine and rainbows forever after and it doesn't matter anymore.
Yuumi or Lose15 votesIt doesn't matter if it happened or not, suicide is not to be joked around with. It's kinda scary that you don't see the problem which leads me to believe that you're either trolling or just don't have respect.
XIII Vanitas8 votesSuicide is not to be joked around with.
Sorry, but you don't have any authority to decide what people can joke about. It's in bad taste, for sure, but it's still just a joke. I find this behaviour way less toxic than feeding intentionally or flaming someone in game.
Avios15 votesAcually, it is even more so. Suicide is definitely not a joke, I would know. I would rather have a flamer or a intentional feeder than someone going around telling people to kill themselves. it does more harm than people could imagine.
Malignant Lurker1 votesFlamers tell people to kill themselves
TrulyBland6 votesSorry, but you don't have any authority to decide what people can joke about. It's in bad taste, for sure, but it's still just a joke. I find this behaviour way less toxic than feeding intentionally or flaming someone in game.
Personally, I joke about everything. I don't think there's a single subject I wouldn't dare to make a joke about. But when playing online with random people, each being sensitive to different subjects, I'll avoid certain jokes out of respect. It's the same reason why I have no problem calling my best friend an asshole, but still accept (and appreciate) the fact insulting random strangers in LoL will get you banned.
XIII Vanitas4 votesI do the same, but I'm in no place to tell other people what they should do. People have different morals and have different concepts of right and wrong. If you don't like what someone is saying, use the mute button; don't shove your own set of rules inside everyone's throat.
EMeta4 votesActually, it's funny. Riot specifically wants to know what their playerbase finds beyond the pale. And then they enforce rules around that. TrulyBland is part of that playerbase, and from his comments here, seems like a representative member. There are times when holding community members to certain standards makes it better for (almost) everyone. I personally am a huge fan of Riot doing so: this is a lot better community than some other online games.
Spizzle90002 votesSo if I walked into your house and held you at gunpoint while talking about all of the different ways I would kill you, but then left without actually shooting or cutting you or anything, it doesn't mean a thing?
Your logic is severely flawed.
alasarcher4 votesSo if I walked into your house and held you at gunpoint while talking about all of the different ways I would kill you, but then left without actually shooting or cutting you or anything, it doesn't mean a thing?
Your logic is severely flawed.
How do you compare those 2? Please? Guy didnt say "MF you should go kill yourself like Gosu". MF was afk, she didnt even see what he wrote. Read what he wrote "MF Ragequit, she probably went to kill herself". While i agree that its wrong behavior and it should be punished, my whole post was questioning why does it affect OP. Which part of what he said required him to come to forum and make thread like this, instead of just reporting post game? He didnt tell anyone to kill himself, he didnt wish anyone to kill himself.
Compare: Telling someone to start smoking vs telling that someone went for a smoke Telling someone to start doing drugs vs telling that someone is doing drugs Telling someone to rob a store vs telling that someone is probably robbing store Telling someone to kill himself vs telling that someone is probably killing himself
You get my point?
Spizzle90001 votesBecause if no one actually did anything and it was just words, it doesn't matter. Or at least that's how you made it sound in the post which I replied to.
Now, I understand what you're saying, but in your previous post it was unclear. But perhaps the OP knows someone who committed suicide and is very sensitive to that sort of thing as a result? For instance, my one friend's sister died when she was 12 from cancer and he was 15. I imagine hearing any jokes about cancer absolutely devastate him now. Who knows? While I understand that freedom of speech (although if you're using something that's privately owned, such as LoL, the owner has the right to limit your free speech) is imperative, some taste is good. But in a real life situation if someone said this, I would condemn it, but I wouldn't call the cops or whatever. Safe spaces are fucking stupid.
Solari Fortune1 votesAbout the Gosu thing, I can't remember where I might have read it but didn't like the police come and stop him? I'm also trying to figure out more about this cause I just recently found out
UB3R 1337 H4X5 votesTo be fair they would probably nazi it coming.,, sorry.
Spizzle90002 votesJew got to be kidding me. If you make one more Holocaust joke, I will be fuhrerious!
It Hertz When IP1 votesAnd Godwin's Law has been invoked....
Crett9 votes
I Detect The Presence Of Scum
But at the same time, even I can't condemn people like them. Something in their life brought them to that point, y'know? Be it their upbringing, society, or bad influences at a young age.
Not that it's excusable, that person should get a FAT punishment. Really depressing to see stuff like that
ZGM Permabanned2 votesI'd like to blame my permaban on my upbringing too...
Dunkrius2g9 votes14 day ban. After 14 day ban, 50 low priority queue matches. 10 matches that yields no IP in wins or losses (this stack can not be removed from Co-op vs AI). Can only send 3 texts for the next 200-500 matches. Loses 10% of his maximum IP (in true damage Hue). This behavior is inexcusable. Either you receive all of this or perma ban right off the bat.
Creati10 votes14 day ban. After 14 day ban, 50 low priority queue matches. 10 matches that yields no IP in wins or losses (this stack can not be removed from Co-op vs AI). Can only send 3 texts for the next 200-500 matches. Loses 10% of his maximum IP (in true damage Hue). This behavior is inexcusable. Either you receive all of this or perma ban right off the bat.
I'm not saying it's okay, but what you suggested is beyond overkill. 500 Matches will literally take a year or two. A 14 day ban, 10 Normal-Draft Wins, and 50 Chat Restricted games is more than enough. I'm not saying suicide should be taken lightly, but think of it this way, Have you ever been provoked (or not) and said questionable things that you regret later, and only said in the heat of the moment without actually meaning it? While we may never know if this Talon meant it, he still deserves punishment, but not quite to your extent. If he makes an similar or just as negative remarks in the future, a perma-ban should do.
Dunkrius2g1 votesForgot to add Kappa my bad. Yeah a permaban will seal the deal. no need to add that much.
Nu637 votesDefinitely not overkill. I was thinking permaban or year+ ban.
Best case scenario this is just a kid who isn't mature enough to talk to strangers. It's unfortunate that the internet makes it possible for kids to do this before they're ready and a harsh suspension is the only thing that's going to get the message across that it's unacceptable since the parents have no idea, and really not a lot of ways of stopping their 16 year old from acting like an idiot short of shadowing all his internet usage or banning him from playing video games.
If I said something like this at work, even if it didn't get back to my boss, I'd be socially outcast by my colleges to the point where I'm probably just better off quitting. That's the real world. League could be a great thing for younger people to learn about communication and responsibility and teamwork and...etc. But it's not because stuff like this gets a small slap on the wrist.
Daxterr3 votesDefinitely not overkill. I was thinking permaban or year+ ban.
Best case scenario this is just a kid who isn't mature enough to talk to strangers. It's unfortunate that the internet makes it possible for kids to do this before they're ready and a harsh suspension is the only thing that's going to get the message across that it's unacceptable since the parents have no idea, and really not a lot of ways of stopping their 16 year old from acting like an idiot short of shadowing all his internet usage or banning him from playing video games.
If I said something like this at work, even if it didn't get back to my boss, I'd be socially outcast by my colleges to the point where I'm probably just better off quitting. That's the real world. League could be a great thing for younger people to learn about communication and responsibility and teamwork and...etc. But it's not because stuff like this gets a small slap on the wrist.
I don't understand why you got downvoted. This is completely true and down to earth. (One year is way too long though)
Teslablade7 votesFlaming and telling people to kill themselves is terrible, but this isn't a great example. They're not really attacking anyone, just failing at humor.
ralsei1 votesThey're joking about someone's plan to kill themselves, which is attacking gosu or anyone else whose had suicidal intentions or attempts.
Teslablade4 votesIt's not a direct attack, the person is just an asshole who's terrible at jokes.
WhiteGuyWannaBe1 votesThat is not attacking gosu or anyone else by any stretch of the imagination, this is simply making light of a dark event.
Joe Dredd7 votesHow could he say that.... It's rip in pieces not rip in peaces. lol
Chrome Raven1 votesrip in rip
Samus726 votesI can't see anything.
A Liberal6 votesJust reported a Renketon who was telling me to kill myself and that I was trash and asked if I was used to hearing it because of what a peice of shit I am. I ended up muting him, but the worst part was guess what triggered it all? I died. Once. Literally my end game stats were 3/2/8. It was on the first death and I was already up two kills and 4 assists. smh
YossarianSensei5 votesFrankly who cares? This isn't Tumblr, I'd prefer it if most players didn't get 'triggered' over stupid comments over the internet
Chrome Raven2 votesu forget riot lyte turned a mature game into a 10 year old only zone with no insults WHATSOEVER
Scramrail3 votesThis is a pretty poor example. If the target of the guys toxicity wasn't there to see the "threat" or whatever, its pretty much a victimless crime. Id much rather have someone like this in a game than a feeder/afker, any day of the week. In the end, you can always just mute people like this and continue playing, whereas if someone afks or starts intentionally feeding its pretty much gg no matter what.
Canidae2 votesWhat's the point in censoring the names in chat if U don't also censor the champion name and if it was spoken in all-chat or not. People can just look up the poster's IGN on sites like lolking and find all of the names there. I get what the player did was wrong but all these threads are basically public shamings to varying degrees, since ppl are too lazy to actually put effort in maintaining anonymity.
Fredart2 votesPeople don't just rage, something tells me other allies were harassing them all match before shit hit the fan.