To be honest I have given up reporting literally anyone.

SaltyToplaneGoat·Dec 4, 2016·4 votes·662 views

Because it does absolutely nothing, even in totally obvious cases 0/20/0 feed, suicide encouragement, etc etc etc.

I checked on the lolking and whatever pages on the people I reported. And guess what? They are still playing, with no break, meaning no ban. I see match histories with dozend of obvious intentional feed or troll games (like all items sold and replaced with tear). And yet... zero punishment. It's like Riot is completly ok with this game being a toxic pile of shite.

Because it surely looks like it. Now if that's the case they should at least be honest and say that they don't give a shit and that reports are worthless, then this entire "reported", "report X" , "x9 report", etc. would end as well.

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AeroWaffleDec 4, 201610 votes

Hard to take your OP as fact when this board is consistently being populated by players being banned for poor behavior.

VerxintDec 4, 20165 votes

PB&M in a nutshell:

"REPORTING DOES NOTHING RITO FIX" "WTF I WAS BANNED CAUSE PEOPLE REPORTED ME WTF RITO"

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

There's also consistently threads about people not getting punished. This is the third of the day, so evidently, there is a problem here.

But you RBSC clowns prefer to stay in the RitoLyte Memorial Echo Chamber.

AeroWaffleDec 4, 20166 votes

OP said "it does absolutely nothing"

The presence of people complaining on the boards about being banned for poor behavior contradicts that.

As I'm sure you've been explained on some occasion, yes, the system often leaves quite a few people that should be punished, unpunished.

Riot has said that they don't want people falsely banned, this would be accomplished in an automated system by minimizing false positives. This is extremely evident for cases of intentional feeding, and I too believe the Riot needs to improve their intentional feeding detection.

HOWEVER

The current issue with the system's detection of intentional feeders doesn't mean that the system should be turning a blind eye to all forms of poor behavior that it does detect.

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

OP said "it does absolutely nothing". The presence of people complaining on the boards about being banned for poor behavior contradicts that.

So does people saying people aren't getting punished. Save the lawyer ball stuff for syndicated television.

As I'm sure you've been explained on some occasion, yes, the system often leaves quite a few people that should be punished, unpunished.

0-20 in my experience this week in reports to actual punishment notifications

Riot has said that they don't want people falsely banned, this would be accomplished in an automated system by minimizing false positives.

Riot does want people banned. Banned players = people who have to make new accounts and buy boosts/champs which means more $$$ for Riot. They know nobody really quits League.

The current issue with the system's detection of intentional feeders doesn't mean that the system should be turning a blind eye to all forms of poor behavior that it does detect.

The thing is verbal abuse is the only thing that can really be proven. AFK's are hard to prove due to bad connections, bad pc's and people who pretend to be AFK. Feeding is just as hard to prove unless it's obvious like buying 6 tears and running it down mid, unless someone admits to it. But verbal abuse? It's easy to prove someone insulting someone else because chat is the one thing Riot looks at. This is why people who react to trolls are the ones getting in trouble and not the actual trolls.

This is why people like myself refuse to buy RP and are encouraging others to do the same.

AeroWaffleDec 4, 20163 votes

Riot does want people banned. Banned players = people who have to make new accounts and buy boosts/champs which means more $$$ for Riot. They know nobody really quits League.

Save the tinfoil hat conspiracies for a personal blog.

Considering that League's gameplay style has competition (Dota2, HotS, Smite, etc), the amount of time and effort required to get a good set of champions and runes, and that a new account must level back up to 30. There is no reason that Riot should believe that it's a common occurrence that someone is willing to stick around despite being shown the door.

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

Save the tinfoil hat conspiracies for a personal blog.

So the behavior system is working? That's why we have a ton of people complaining about people getting away with trolling and people not getting why they were banned?

Calling people "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists" is on page 1 of the RBSC playbook after abusing downvoting systems and using passive aggressive behavior.

Considering that League's gameplay style has competition (Dota2, HotS, Smite, etc), the amount of time and effort required to get a good set of champions and runes, and that a new account must level back up to 30.

Rule 151. $15 in boosts and 1 week to get to level 30. That's all it took me. There's plenty of good, cheap champions. You don't need all of the champions and really don't need any champs outside of your main role, especially with people like Ekko/Yasuo who can go anywhere.

There is no reason that Riot should believe that it's a common occurrence that someone is willing to stick around despite being shown the door.

See tyler1 and all of the streamers who have multiple accounts. Everyone I know who plays has a second account as well, with myself having 3.

AeroWaffleDec 4, 20161 votes

See tyler1 and all of the streamers who have multiple accounts.

Tyler1, as well as any other streamer, make money from people throwing it at them. By playing the more popular games, more money will be thrown at them. They have much more incentive to ignore the desires of Riot and just create a new account.

Everyone I know who plays has a second account as well, with myself having 3.

I have a single account and all my friends only have a single account.

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

Tyler1, as well as any other streamer, make money from people throwing it at them. By playing the more popular games, more money will be thrown at them. They have much more incentive to ignore the desires of Riot and just create a new account.

$15-$30 is no big deal for any adult who works. It likely is for the teenagers who don't work and have no income. It's certainly no big deal for me, your average joe. Good luck enforcing a behavior system where a new account is only $15 away. CSGO will tell you how that goes, where the multiple accounts are even worse.

I have a single account and all my friends only have a single account.

Well my friends have multiple accounts and I constantly see posts where people mention having 2nd accounts.

AeroWaffleDec 4, 20162 votes

$15-$30 is no big deal for any adult who works. It likely is for the teenagers who don't work and have no income. It's certainly no big deal for me, your average joe.

You're also assuming that most people are fine with cheating when deciding to buy a new account, or that they're not wary of the stability of such an account. It's not like buying an account is sanctioned by Riot. Quite the opposite, they'll immediately ban any account they think was bought.

Good luck enforcing a behavior system where a new account is only $15 away. CSGO will tell you how that goes, where the multiple accounts are even worse.

So you think that Riot should just toss up their hands and give up punishing people for poor behavior entirely?

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

You're also assuming that most people are fine with cheating when deciding to buy a new account, or that they're not wary of the stability of such an account.

While you can buy a new account, I'm talking about making a new account and buying double boosts. That's what I do.

It's not like buying an account is sanctioned by Riot. Quite the opposite, they'll immediately ban any account they think was bought.

Those streamers are getting those accounts from somewhere, and some even advertise where they get them. Their accounts aren't getting banned because it would take too much effort and it's not worth the time, unless you are Tyler1.

So you think that Riot should just toss up their hands and give up punishing people for poor behavior entirely?

I have posted a full post of ideas on how to rework the whole behavior system from every aspect of the game: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/pNE9Gnm8-my-ideas-on-how-to-fix-various-stressful-and-behavior-issues-in-the-game (There are a few things that might be outdated now). You can see how my well thought out post was greeted = -12 score and phrases like "get downvoted" which was reported and not removed.

I do not believe the current system works in any way, shape or form:

Banned players can make a new account for free and nothing can stop them from doing so.
People who are punished don't feel like the system is being fair and people don't feel like the system is being fair when other people don't get punished.
The game does create a ton of situations where people are naturally going to have disagreements and this is never accounted for.
Other games despite having the same users are less toxic overall and have a lot less issues with behavior.
This game has almost no cooldown system for behavior where good behavior drops you a tier. No one seems to be totally if that system exists right now and it makes it hard to stop an account from getting banned after it was punished.
Every single other game offers voice chat, which is a superior form of communication and decreases toxicity.

We've seen what happens in the current direction of the behavior system and I think Player Behavior & Moderation both good and bad is a prime example of it.

I've brought my suggestions up to as many Rioters as possible and even directly talked to both Riot Tantrum and Riot Tummers this week and plan to keep on until we see changes.

EDIT - Look at the score. -1 already(3:21PM 12/4). This is the RBSC Voting Abuse I talk about and you can see it here. That's why these people are being called out.

AeroWaffleDec 4, 20162 votes

Reasonable suggestions in the linked post

Do you know why all of your posts gets downvoted to the ground, even if you don't insult individuals or groups of people?

Because you've spent a large amount of posts doing so. The more you insult someone, the less likely they're going to care or bother to read what you've said.

Votes are just that, votes. They could mean anything from, "I think this post is wrong" to "I think this post is incredibly rude" or "This person is hardly the kind of person that's thinking what's best for others".

The more posts you make that insult others on the boards, the more reason they have to disagree with anything you say.

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

Reasonable suggestions in the linked post

Agreed. But what did the thought police think? -12 with very little discussion.

Do you know why all of your posts gets downvoted to the ground, even if you don't insult individuals or groups of people?

Just the fact that we have to mention this admits that the voting system is being abused. This is not how it is supposed to be used. And if this is being abused like that, what other abuses are happening on a daily basis? I think it's scary that we know this system is being downvoted and people are thinking "oh well". Moderators know it's being abused, Rioters know its being abused and even RBSC members know its being abused. I will not stand by and let this go unmentioned and we will fight to stop this. Just look at what has happened to reddit with the voting abuse. That site is torn apart and will never regain their reputation.

Personally, I equate each downvote to RBSC tears, and some people are crying me rivers right now. Each downvote only legitimizes my arguments even stronger, so I pray they continue.

AMYS GRAVEDec 4, 20162 votes

That argument is actually a form of selection bias. As long as the system has a low false positive rate enough people will be punished to populate these boards with complaining posts over justified punishments. That doesn't show at all that the system is punishing most/all the behaviors that it should be.

bad arcade kittyDec 4, 20162 votes

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Hard to take your OP as fact when this board is consistently being populated by players being banned for poor behavior.

banned for nearly nothing or even completely nothing like that "you typed too much, kid" case

TyrekGoldenspearDec 4, 20165 votes

If you have given up on reporting then the trolls have won.

There should be more visibility, if people could see the effect of their reports they would be encouraged to report more often.

SaltyToplaneGoatDec 4, 20162 votes

Ohhh here come the whiteknight downvotes. ^^

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

I upvoted you.

The downvotes are from the RBSC - Rito Butt Slappers Club. They surpress and downvote anything anti-Rito around here and are obsessed with using passive-aggressive behavior to turn this forum into the same toilet they turned the game into.

SSJTribeDec 4, 20165 votes

That's some funny hyperbole, but really, people here just downvote the people who don't know/understand the rules which got them banned. They'll upvote anything clearly explaining the rules as well. It's really not that difficult.

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

You're right it's not:

Pro-Rito = upvote, no matter how stupid it is.
Anti-Rito = multiple downvotes through multiple accounts no matter how right it is, and people like Paragon have been busted for it.

The Anti-RBSC movement is gaining steam because people are seeing what's going on around here and we will take down the slap-asses of this forum.

SSJTribeDec 4, 20164 votes

I have no idea what you're talking about, but best of luck I guess.

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

Well you're in luck, I'm happy to explain.

Take a look at this forum. Everything pro-Rito gets upvoted and anything questioning or criticizing them gets downvoted(It's 12:33AM on 12/4 and I'll be at minimum -2 by tommorow). As it turns out, the same 20ish people happen to be in every thread here and also happen to be insanely pro-Rito. Take a shot every time you see someone like Tyrek, Endless Sorcerer, AeroWaffle, Eedat, Martinestic and others in this forum and watch how fast you end up drunk.

These people are here to:

Abuse the voting system to surpress any non pro-Rito views.
Use Passive Aggression behavior like "you deserved the ban" and other stuff to rub salt in the wounds of other players
Harass, intimidate and accuse anyone who isn't pro-Rito of various things.

These people have come to be known as the Rito Butt Slappers Club and even Rioters have acknowledged it's existence. There's been over 3 different threads today alone talking about the "Thought Police" of this forum and it's clear we have a problem.

Myself and other Anti-RBSC forces are here to put a stop to this and follow the goal of the forum:

This board is all about fostering a healthy community in which discussions can revolve around player behavior systems, in-game suspensions, or boards moderation. This includes topics on how the systems work, insight into why players were punished, and advice to help players improve moving forward.

SSJTribeDec 4, 20166 votes

Cool. I browse the pb&m board every once in a while, sometimes I'll try to clarify the rules for people who don't really understand. One thing I have noticed though, is that keeping a civil tone goes a long way towards improving these kinds of discussions. I don't really care about your agenda, or the RBSC agenda, but your posts so far kind of radiate negativity. If you actually want to get anywhere with the guys you mentioned, maybe shy away from name calling and general accusations and such. Hope this helps.

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

Cool. I browse the pb&m board every once in a while, sometimes I'll try to clarify the rules for people who don't really understand.

This is what you should be doing. I have no beef with you if you are doing this in kind terms, not RBSC "hahaha you got banned XD" terms.

I don't really care about your agenda, or the RBSC agenda, but your posts so far kind of radiate negativity. If you actually want to get anywhere with the guys you mentioned, maybe shy away from name calling and general accusations and such. Hope this helps.

The first step is indentifying the problem. The second step was naming some names. We can start fixing the problem now that we know the source of it.

These aren't accusations, these are cold hard facts.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 4, 20164 votes

Incorrect.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/WIYQ08Km-new-shaco-isnt-as-bad-as-everyone-thinks

This is pro-riot. It supports the Shaco rework. Downvoted.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/sNjGrJf0-riot-our-intentional-feed-system-detect-and-ban-feeders-usually-after-1-game

Anti-riot. Calls out the intential feed system for being garbage upvoted.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ykfmijpL-reports-are-going-unheard

Anti-riot. In this board. Here it points out the issues with the visibility with reports. Upvoted.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/P0J70rNj-autofill-massively-increased-trollers-in-my-games

Anti-Riot. Autofill is garbage is the synopsis. Upvoted.

Most of the recent patch notes. Downvoted.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/vkGo6kZ6-am-i-the-only-one-enjoying-autofill

Pro-Riot. Downvoted.

Here are several instances of proof of your claims being incorrect.

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

I've always said, there's only about 20-30 RBSC bad apples, including yourself. The majority does not support your RBSC behaviors Tyrek. We will take you and your safe-spacers down.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 4, 20166 votes

Sigh. Sit down Muta. We need to talk.

I don't know why you're doing this, but I hope it will become clear to you one day that the people that downvote you aren't part of a big conspiracy.

Threads that are not for riot get upvoted all the time.

Things that are for Riot get downvoted, sometimes to obvlivion.

The issue that a lot of people have isn't with what you say. It's how you say it. It was funny for the first week, but now you are becoming tiresome. You get downvotes becuase you say things that are incorrect/ridiculous, than hide behind the notion of a conspiracy when people call you out on it. It's why people don't take you seriously.

I don't agree with everything Riot does.

Azir's gutting hurt me, but now I understand the reasons behind it. Didn't mean I liked it at any point.

Autofill sucks for me. I can never get into a game of SR because of all the dodging, and my time buffer before I have to do something gets wasted. That's why I've been playing ARAM.

I don't agree with Riot pushing Brand as a support. I feel he's better Midlane, and that support Brand is cheese to another level and shouldn't be done.

I feel that the report system is too vauge, ans this is why people have lost hope in reports.

There is no RBSC Muta, you are just using this to explain to yourself why people don't buy into your nonsense.

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

I don't know why you're doing this, but I hope it will become clear to you one day that the people that downvote you aren't part of a big conspiracy.

There were 3 threads alone yesterday discussing the RBSC Thought Police of which you are a member, so it's a problem. You may not want to publicly admit you are a member but your actions speak differently.

Threads that are not for riot get upvoted all the time.

Rarely around here, especially if it involves anyone getting banned, and you yourself make sure of that.

Things that are for Riot get downvoted, sometimes to obvlivion.

By RBSC members like yourself. You abuse the voting system daily and I also believe you use two accounts to do this.

The issue that a lot of people have isn't with what you say. It's how you say it.

I'm not here to win friends or downvotes. I'm here to end the RBSC and fix the behavioral system. Also am advocating against giving any money to Riot. And I'll take all of the abuse and downvotes in the world to fix it happily.

It's why people don't take you seriously.

People are realizing that there is a "RBSC Thought Police" here and even Rioters are now aware. This is just the beginning.

I don't agree with everything Riot does

You can still be insanely pro-Riot and not like everything. The problem is, you guys are abusing your voting privileges and harassing people in the process, losing all credibility.

I feel that the report system is too vauge, ans this is why people have lost hope in reports

Then start saying it, because many people are seeing you as a RBSC thought policeman who thinks the system is great. Every Rioter will tell you the system isn't perfect(because it would just be too easy to verbally wreck) but none of them are willing to do any fixes and all of them will say it is working as intended.

There is no RBSC Muta, you are just using this to explain to yourself why people don't buy into your nonsense.

Any good propaganda machine wants it to be known that there is no propaganda machine. Of course you are going to say "there is no RBSC", but your actions continue to show that there is. That's where the RBSC is. You and others here like Martenistic, Paragon, Endless and others are abusing downvoting systems, harassing users who feel differently than you and pushing pro-Rito positions hard. A great system doesn't have this many complaints or a reputation for abuse. A great system constantly improves itself to become better. A bad system never changes anything and wonders why nothing changes and that's what we have here.

Start displaying positive behavior around here and encourage others to do the same. Use nice terms, stop abusing downvoting systems, stop the name calling and cut the "you deserve to be banned" social justice porn bullshit that this forum loves. You are assisting with all of that but you can reform.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 4, 20165 votes

This is all you. You dont see anything outside your rose tinted glasses do you?

Have you seen what I have posted? I don't abuse the system, I do what I can to correct people who make outlandish claims.

This is my only account, and you are making yourself look ridiculous. Anybody who knows me will tell you that your description of me is completely false.

When have I namecalled? When have I told somebody "HAHA YOU GOT BANNED!"?

I try my best to be postitive on these boards, but I also won't tolarate straight up lies people tell to slander Riot.

I haven't downvoted you, not that you will beleive me, but frankly I don't care what you think about me anymore.

Becuase at the end of the day, I know what I've done and what I've haven't done. If somebody on the internet doesn't beleive me it doesn't change the facts.

Only you think of me this way, and as somebody who wants to be seen as a nice guy it hurts.

But if I continue to do what I beleive is right, then other people's opinions wont bother me as much. Intepret my actions however you want, but the people here that aren't purposely trying to find fault with me where there isn't any know the truth.

Deep Terror NamiDec 4, 20163 votes

I think you should stop talking to him.

TyrekGoldenspearDec 4, 20161 votes

Yeah, I know. I won't.

It's just that the one thing that really drives me up the wall is when somebody questions my character. And that doesn't even make me angry, I just feel terrible.

But yeah, I should really pick my battles better.

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

Have you seen what I have posted? I don't abuse the system, I do what I can to correct people who make outlandish claims.

Like what you posted in the Ask Riot comment section?

When have I namecalled? When have I told somebody "HAHA YOU GOT BANNED!"?

Here you go:

http://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/2016/11/ask-riot-the-one-about-pulsefire-ezreal/ Rekt. TyrekGoldenspear.

Judging by your attitude in this post, I think I can see lots of reasons why you got banned.

And extremely baised arguments coming from a salty top laner who loses to matchups that counter him don't mean anything either.

Well unlike you I have an interest in climbing...Don't think that people who want to learn from others are sheep, that is nonsense stemmed from a desire to do everything yourself.

Shrugs. I honestly couldn't tell you the reasoning behind this last part. Guess he wanted to "enlighten" us on something fairly obvious.After all, he thinks we're all stupid sheep, remember?

So... You're admitting you're a troll?

Trust me, you can tell by his posts that he's in a trolly mood

He's tripping over his attempts to troll two professional troll busters.

Yeesh, this guy is like that other troll I was dealing with two days ago. Suffice it to say that this is quite fun, beating trolls with logic and calm counterarguments. You're are quite good at it.

but I'm convinced that you don't even follow half these adages you parrot.

I still cannot beleive you people will write this stuff with a straight face. And you're calling me blind?

After all, he thinks we're all stupid sheep, remember?

He's not just a troll.

Perhaps you should take a moment and think over your self-imposed theories about morality and personality types. You may realize that you are in fact wrong.

I am victorious. He hasn't replied for a whole 10 minutes after we went back and forth. X)

Incorrect.You were destroyed so hard you couldn't come up with a reply longer than two sentences.

According to your logic then, all the toxic people that flame us to get our attention are acting like 4 year olds.

Interesting to watch two boards members the boards generally aren't fond of duke it out and see who is supported more.

But the least he could do is make his statements less blatantly obvious that he's biased against Riot.

childish.

It only makes you look childish when you lump up all the people who disagree with you into a category you can insult to make yourself feel better.

You're hilarious(used to mock)

You are literally stuffed with bias.

A nice batch of stuff from the last two weeks. I also would expect nothing less from a liberal college student. Lots of passive aggression, lots of insults and lots of negative behavior.

ZelorxonDec 4, 20162 votes

KEK, i report like 4-5 people EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. Nothing happens. Tell the feeding support to build a sightstone? That's a paddlin' kiddo...

Great MutaDec 4, 20161 votes

I agree.

I reported over 20 people this week. 0 punishment notifications.

This is why no one takes this system seriously and why this game is so toxic. Everyone knows nothing is going to happen.

Since Riot isn't willing to admit their faults or step up and start fixing shit, and believe me, everyone in Riot thinks they are doing an amazing job, I'm not buying any more RP and I'm encouraging everyone else to do the same.

ZippoBolterDec 4, 20161 votes

Lmao, the ppl complaining about bans are ppl like me who get shit on by their abusive team and then respond with insults leading to a ban

Players who int feed, afk etc dont receive punishments. How about all of you checkout these "i was permabanned!!!11" threads and see WHY we get punished. Guaranteed its not int feeding 0/20/0 over and over, it's responding to harassment with verbal abuse, and this leads to chat restrictions, not banishments (unless u use hate speech = auto permaban)

ModPrandineDec 4, 20161 votes

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Lmao, the ppl complaining about bans are ppl like me who get shit on by their abusive team and then respond with insults leading to a ban

Players who int feed, afk etc dont receive punishments. How about all of you checkout these "i was permabanned!!!11" threads and see WHY we get punished. Guaranteed its not int feeding 0/20/0 over and over, it's responding to harassment with verbal abuse, and this leads to chat restrictions, not banishments (unless u use hate speech = auto permaban)

First off, there are numerous cases on both this forum and the old boards of gameplay trolls being banned. Don't believe me? Well Here are two examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it's just two examples, but it proves that they do get punished.

Second off, there are plenty of threads here of people being 2-week and permabanned for using chat to verbally abuse and harass others, normally after they have already gotten chat restrictions for that kind of behavior.