Would Be Nice If There Was A Way To Get Unpermabanned.

Rainfall·Jun 25, 2017·5 votes·804 views

I mean for some instances,if someone got permabanned then one year later he has managed to level up a 30 level account and is still playing the game why shouldn't he get a chance to get his account back? Obviously there is no point unbanning people who have stopped playing the game or are still getting permabanned in new account but i think it would be nice for reformed players to get a chance to get their accounts back. Please do not downvote before reading the entire post.

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ChermorgJun 25, 20176 votes

Because he already had at least one other chance in almost all cases, and usually 4 other chances (in most cases).

There is no point in unbanning a permanently banned person because it lessens the severity of the punishment. People would think "oh, if I am toxic enough for a permaban, I can just level a new account and then get unbanned, so why should I care cause I'll get the account back anyway". A permanent ban is supposed to frighten players. If you are toxic and get a 14 day, knowing you will never have access to your account after the next time you get punished is supposed to make you want to reform.

TLDR: This would lessen the gravity of the permanent ban, leading to less players truly reforming.

RainfallJun 25, 20173 votes

it takes more time than 2 weeks for players to reform. You can motivate someone to reform by fear for a week hell maybe even a month but he will most probably slip up eventualy. Fear is probably the worst long term motivation.

ChermorgJun 25, 20174 votes

No, it doesn't. Reform is an attitude. Also, players have 10 game chat restriction, and 25 game, most times before they get the 14 day ban. If they don't take those 14 days to think about how the next step is a permanent ban, it's not Riot's problem.

If he slips up, he's immature and can't control himself. Not Riot's problem. Just because people keep fucking themselves over by not reforming does not mean there is a fault in Riot's system. In fact, it's a testament to the system working - removing people who do not reform after giving them chances and warnings.

RainfallJun 25, 20171 votes

I do not understand why you feel that i made this thread to blame riot. I made this thread to simply discuss alternatives,obviously riot has no responsibility over anything im talking about.

ChermorgJun 25, 20171 votes

You're saying the system should be changed, ergo you're saying that the system is not good, Riot created the system, ergo you're blaming Riot indirectly for the system which is in your mind failed.

RainfallJun 25, 20171 votes

I do not believe riot's system has failed.In fact the idea i am describing on this post would apply to less than 0.0001% of the players the system does(permabanned players with reformed new accounts at least 1 year later after the permaban was issued).

ChermorgJun 25, 20171 votes

If you do not believe the system is failing, why are you proposing such a drastic change to it (eliminating a "permanent ban").

Everyone can create a "reformed new account", especially someone who's trying to get their old account back. But when they do get their main account back, they don't have any reason to stay reformed. They can get banned again, sure, but they'll just wash, rinse, and repeat.

The whole point of a permanent ban is that the account is no more. It is a deterrent for people who are warned to not reach that level. By permitting return of access to people for any reason, you remove 99% of the deterrent that a permanent ban is.

RainfallJun 25, 20171 votes

"everyone can create a new reformed account" Thats not how it seems to me,i mean a new 30 level account in good standing 1 year later after a permaban,thats 1 year of good behavior and more than 300 games.

ChermorgJun 25, 20172 votes

Cool. So someone who's "perma" banned goes, creates a new account, and every single game drags the chat off the screen so there's no chance of them being toxic.

After a year they get their main account back, stop dragging the chat off (no reason to do it anymore, they got their account back and that's the only reason they started doing it in the first place), then become toxic again.

Anyone who wants their account back bad enough can put up an act for a year. It doesn't mean anything about them being reformed.

General Esdeath Jun 25, 20172 votes

No, reform can happen way faster. I knew a guy who got a chat ban and realized "Oh shit, what I'm saying isn't allowed" and doesn't type anything toxic anymore, he just says it out loud to himself.

General Esdeath Jun 25, 20173 votes

Yeah no. They were given plenty of chances before the permaban, and I believe Riot did something like this in the past and almost none of them actually reformed.

EndlessSorcererJun 25, 20172 votes

IIRC, the results were along the lines of a ~95% failure rate.

The group was hand-picked by Rioters from those they felt were most likely to reform.

General Esdeath Jun 25, 20171 votes

Do you know how many total people they had? Or where I can find more about this?

EndlessSorcererJun 25, 20171 votes

While I remember it being discussed on the old forums, I haven't looked in years.

Practice your Google-fu?

General Esdeath Jun 25, 20171 votes

I use Bingkwondo

IcyPepperJun 25, 20173 votes

That would kind of be against the point, no?

h5LYF41LamJun 25, 20171 votes

if someone is stil playing league 1 year after he got permabanned,what did the permaban achieve to begin with for this person? if the purpose of a permaban is to keep him out of the game didnt it fail already?

EndlessSorcererJun 25, 20171 votes

It is still incentive to behave as a reasonable person.

If they've already lost one account, they are aware that they could lose their current one if they continue their toxicity.

ChermorgJun 25, 20174 votes

The permaban made it clear Riot doesn't take toxicity lightly. Riot intentionally imposes almost all (save people like Tyler1) permanent bans on an account, not a person. For many people, the fact that they spent time (in many cases years) and money (in many cases hundreds of dollars) on an account that they will never be able to access again really hits home when they create a new one, and they do everything possible to not be toxic on the new account. Again, that's most players.

People that create new accounts to level up to be unbanned would not have any reason not to be toxic - they're getting their old account back, so why would they try to improve? If they get perma again, just do the same thing, get it back a couple months later... It's not effective.

This type of thing has been tried before by Riot (I think the level was either 14/15/20 with no punishments) and they found that only like 2% of people they unbanned were actually reformed (or something super low like that).

RainfallJun 25, 20171 votes

back then permabans were super rare,you would even see permabans issued by lyte himself,so i guess they were mostly issued for realy severe cases.

ChermorgJun 25, 20174 votes

See, the thing about the test they ran (as others say) is the people they allowed this chance to were hand picked by Riot as some of the ones they though would give the test the absolute best chance of success. Riot went into the test trying so hard to find evidence that the program would work.

And it still failed miserably. The bottom line is giving people access to their account after it's been permanently suspended eliminates 99% of the gravity that a permaban holds.

RainfallJun 25, 20171 votes

in those days riot was realy picky with permabans and they were pretty rare,i remember having a friend who was mildly toxic and had stacked hundreds of chat restrictions.He didnt get banned until recently.

ChermorgJun 25, 20172 votes

So if Riot was super picky with permabans (meaning they theoretically would know summoners by name and attitude), and then they tried to remove some and the test still failed, what does that tell you about how it would work now?

It wouldn't.

It's like if you add an acid to a base in science, and get a reaction. You go back 5 years later and are like "well, this acid and base aren't as pure and they're different chemicals". You still get the same gosh darn reaction.

No flash no lifeJun 25, 20171 votes

Because he's not supposed to come back with another account. It's happening only because there is no way to stop people from doing that so that's an available option, but that doesn't mean the player is welcomed back.

The ban isn't just a way to deny unsportsmanlike players from playing, it's also a form of punishment for harming tens or even hundreds of other players who didn't deserve to suffer from the said player. Just because the player is reformed doesn't mean the punishment should be waived, because the damage upon others have been done and can not be reverted, hence removing the ban just because the player has reflected upon himself doesn't do any just to those countless victims.

-Opinion of someone who suffered from those int feeding or acting to harm the team because they find delight in doing so.

ChermorgJun 25, 20171 votes

Wrong - Riot has explicitly stated they have nothing against people whose accounts were permanently banned coming back on a new account as long as it's one they create and not bought or acquired in another manner.

In fact, Riot is indifferent to people creating new accounts and won't even ban them if discovered unless the new account is being actively toxic (cases like Tyler1 et al. excluded, there are some people who are banned from Riot's game).

No flash no lifeJun 25, 20172 votes

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Riot has explicitly stated they have nothing against people whose accounts were permanently banned coming back on a new account

I stand corrected then. Riot isn't against it so even if they can they won't deny their access with new account. It's just me personally against those players being here and wishingly believe they aren't meant to.

The rest of my opinion still hold, regardless, and thus I don't think removing those bans is a good idea.