Can you please start banning for this behavior in ranked on first offence?

Yenn·Oct 3, 2017·7 votes·1,034 views

Our ADC was either too high to play, too drunk to play, or just trolling. They repeatedly told us that they were 'too high' or 'too drunk,' and doing stupid shit that was bordering on intentional feeding. They kept trying to surrender, even though the game was pretty even, even with them feeding. We banned Twitch and they got upset, telling us that they had him hovered (which all four of us agreed they didn't).

The entire team played extremely well, except for this one player, who caused us to lose the game with their consistent dumb shit. There's no reason for this behavior to be allowed in ranked, period.

https://i.imgur.com/fvpolEJ.jpg

Please stop allowing players to get away with this in ranked. We should not have lost 20 LP because a player on our team was incapacitated. This behavior really needs to be made zero tolerance.

45 Comments

RallerenPOct 3, 20172 votes

While I agree that this behaviour is unacceptable (and I also believe it is against the rules), the system already has a hard time detecting direct inters, so theres no way it will ever detect this kind of player.

YennOct 3, 20172 votes

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While I agree that this behaviour is unacceptable (and I also believe it is against the rules), the system already has a hard time detecting direct inters, so theres no way it will ever detect this kind of player.

So it's unreasonable of us to expect Riot to do a better job at something they're currently failing at?

The issue is that even if it is against the rules (it unlikely is), they have to do it consistently before there's any punishment.

RallerenPOct 3, 20172 votes

No, I don't think it's unreasonable. But, it would currently be impossible to track this behaviour and validate it. That's all i'm saying.

YennOct 3, 20171 votes

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No, I don't think it's unreasonable. But, it would currently be impossible to track this behaviour and validate it. That's all i'm saying.

They could be more pro-active in looking at reports from ranked games. It shouldn't take multiple weeks before someone gets a slap on the wrist. See above post; I've encountered this same place twice in a week, doing the same thing, and the first time obviously wasn't enough to get him removed from ranked.

People get away with intentionally feeding in ways that aren't running down mid lane over and over far too often, and for far too long.

RallerenPOct 3, 20171 votes

Yeah, but they are working on improving it, and the system already learns from looking at reports.

The problem it has it that people report others falsely waaay too often (report people who are feeding but not inting), so the system learns alot slower than it could.

TrulyBlandOct 3, 20171 votes

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So it's unreasonable of us to expect Riot to do a better job at something they're currently failing at?

It's unreasonable to expect unreasonable things. Whether somebody fails at doing the unreasonable thing doesn't have any relevance in that matter.

50ShadesOfÀDCOct 5, 20171 votes

"Small indie company"

General Esdeath Oct 3, 20171 votes

It can't detect words like "I'm too drunk/high"?

RallerenPOct 3, 20172 votes

Sure, but people joke around with this all the time.

General Esdeath Oct 3, 20171 votes

People also claim to be joking when they use racial slurs/threats. Don't make stupid jokes.

RallerenPOct 3, 20172 votes

The difference being that a joke about you being drunk doesn't actually hurt anyone.

But joking with racial slurs does hurt people, even if you are joking.

There is a HUGE difference between the two, so don't try to compare them.

TheSilverSecret2Oct 3, 20172 votes

my dad was a drunk and died in a car accident because of it? i Guess because they were joking and the difference of those 2 being offensive only fits Riots eyes

RallerenPOct 3, 20172 votes

Im sorry about your dad, but it doesn't change the fact that joking about being drunk is not offensive in ANY way.

If you think joking about being drunk is bad, do you go actively out of your way to make sure no one drink alcohol at a party?

Being jokingly racist, is still kind of racist.

Being jokingly drink, does not mean you are drunk.

General Esdeath Oct 3, 20171 votes

So you go out of your way to stop racists? Where were you during Charlottesville?

TheSilverSecret2Oct 3, 20171 votes

didnt actually happen im just making an example should have made that clear XD, being jokingly racist is not racist lmao. Unless youre a crybaby

RallerenPOct 4, 20171 votes

I mean, in private people can make all the racist jokes they want and even sometimes in public. But telling one to total strangers is kind of wierd, and most people would view you as a racist if you do.

TheSilverSecret2Oct 4, 20171 votes

im talking like minor stuff that isnt even considered racist but over sensitive people think it is. An actual racist joke even if a joke , i agree w u

WarWithRealityOct 3, 20171 votes

Drunk driving is a choice, being born black/disabled/autistic is not. Just because your dad chose to drunk-drive doenst mean the rest of us cant have a laugh about drunk people, or being drunk ourselves.

TheSilverSecret2Oct 3, 20172 votes

didnt actually happen was making example, but then you should be able to have a joke about race, if its clearly an offensive joke then get a chat ban, not an account ban

Mig89Oct 4, 20171 votes

There is no comparison between sitting at a desk and claiming to be drunk and making a racial slur in a video game. You're really reaching with this nonsense. Nobody is driving their car playing league. Both are stupid but calling someone a racial slur even as a joke is behavior that's unacceptable when speaking to strangers almost everywhere in the world.

Kaptain KuddlesOct 5, 20171 votes

That's a REALLY messed up thing to joke or make an 'example' out of if it's never actually happened in your life. Please don't try to make someone else feel bad by lying about something that DOES happen to other people. It's highly insensitive.

General Esdeath Oct 3, 20171 votes

You think alcoholic jokes aren't offensive? I hope you never have a relative die from anything alcohol related, even a drunk driving accident.

Also, you never answered my question. The system can't be changed to pick these up?

TrulyBlandOct 3, 20172 votes

Joking about being drunk is not the same as jokes about alcoholism. I mean, why even play this game then? If you find it offensive when people claim they are drunk I would assume you must find the notion of a character becoming more powerful by drinking wine to be hyper offensive.

And teaching individual phrases to the system is significantly less useful than you might think. Especially when it's not really the phrase itself that is supposed to be punishable (because as others have pointed out, this is not about the statement being offensive).

General Esdeath Oct 4, 20171 votes

Wine =/= drunk

Drinking any alcohol =/= drunk

Drunk is not a state of having a sip of alcohol, it's when your brain ceases to function normally due to excessive amounts.

TrulyBlandOct 4, 20171 votes

Gragas' ability that powers him up by drinking wine is literally called drunken rage, so... yeah... I guess drunken rage =/= drunk?

You still avoided the point that being drunk and alcoholism (as in addiction to alcohol) are entirely different things.

General Esdeath Oct 4, 20171 votes

Drunken is also a past tense for "having drunken".

And I didn't avoid it, I even reused it in saying that there's many differences, such as wine and being drunk.

TrulyBlandOct 4, 20171 votes

"Drunken rage" is a phrase that implies being drunk, not having drunken.

Either way, if you understand that there's a difference between being drunk and being an alcoholic your original argument falls apart entirely, since that also implies a difference between joking about being drunk and alcoholic jokes.

To remind you, this was the point you made:

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You think alcoholic jokes aren't offensive?

You have yet to explain why merely joking about being drunk is offensive, though.

Edit: Since I'm not a native speaker I wasn't sure and went to look it up: I have not found any source of "drunken" being used as a verb, and several online dictionaries defining it strictly as an adjective relating to intoxication with alcohol.

General Esdeath Oct 4, 20171 votes

Maybe I replied it to the other guy instead of you, but being drunk is such a bad topic in the USA because of how many people die from it. It's more of a case of things are offensive to some but not others. People often make offensive jokes of other countries but don't like their own country being made fun of.

TL;DR

In the USA, alcoholism and alcohol in general caused a lot of issues and cause many more to this day.

Drunken is also used as a slang in my state such as "I had drunken so much" so that's my mistake because not only are you not a native speaker but I shouldn't assume you're from my state.

TrulyBlandOct 4, 20171 votes

Don't get me wrong, the death toll of alcohol is really really bad. But you know what else kills a pretty hefty amount of people? Cars; and not just because of drunk driving. Would you consider jokes about cars offensive?

I simply see no point in demonizing alcohol to the point where even joking about being intoxicated is deemed offensive.

General Esdeath Oct 4, 20171 votes

A car is a tool, it's not something that has little use. Alcohol really has no use outside of medical alcohol like rubbing alcohol or bacterial cleansers.

TrulyBlandOct 4, 20171 votes

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A car is a tool, it's not something that has little use. Alcohol really has no use outside of medical alcohol like rubbing alcohol or bacterial cleansers.

Okay, rather than get into a philosophical debate over what constitutes "use", let's cover a few other things then:

Is joking about smoking tobacco fine? Or jokes about eating unhealthy food? What about sports with a high injury rate? I'm sure there's more that I can't think of right now...

In the end pretty much everything can kill you in large quantities; especially if you're not careful enough about it. That doesn't mean those things are inherently bad.

RallerenPOct 3, 20172 votes

Gragas is a champion that is drunk ALL time. Is he offensive? No.

We should just remove ALL references to being drunk in pop-culture, because some people die due to alcoholism related things?

If I say 'oh haha, sry im drunk jk' when making a missplay, I don't make that joke at the expense of others. No one is, or should be offended.

If I say 'oh haha, what a %%%%%%' I make that joke at the expense of black people. It's offensive. Jokes about being drunk are not offensive.

Most people don't think that anyways.

I also think this conversation got REALLY off track. People seem to think that I think playing when drunk or high should be allowed. I just made the note that the system has no way to detect it. And no, alcholic jokes aren't offensive. I really am an SJW type on boards, but joking about being drunk is not offensive, and you shouldn't be offended because someone jokingly said they were drunk.

Also, you never answered my question. The system can't be changed to pick these up?

I did. I said:

Sure, but people joke around with this all the time.

General Esdeath Oct 4, 20171 votes

Gragas is a drinker, but he's not drunk. Some people have a higher tolerance for it. If I drank for example, I'd get drunk off the minimum. Whereas my friend who drinks once a week could double that.

RallerenPOct 4, 20173 votes

He is drunk. It says in his lore that his drink is made to get him really drunk.

General Esdeath Oct 4, 20171 votes

The lore also says that Jax is his drinking buddy, doesn't mean they're drunk in game.

RallerenPOct 4, 20172 votes

Are you actually trolling me dude?

You forgot what your opinion was.

You tell me alchohic jokes are offensive, yet Riot using alcoholics comedicly as a way of presenting a character, is somehow not offensive?

I'm done with this discussion. You are clearly just trying to get a reaction out of me.

General Esdeath Oct 4, 20171 votes

No I'm telling you that lore isn't always the big reasoning you should use. Now stop trolling me.

YennOct 3, 20172 votes

This player was trolling all game. At level 1, he said he didn't want to play with a Rakan support and the he wouldn't CS unless Rakan left the lane. After Rakan left, he died a few times, and then started spamming surrender. He went AFK for a little bit, came back, and intentionally fed. After the game, he tells us that he was trolling us and doesn't ADC.

https://i.imgur.com/iEDS0ja.jpg

This is the fourth time I've encountered this kind of behavior today, alone. I've lost 80 LP to this. I also encountered this exact same player last week, behaving the same way. Come on, Riot.

wei270Oct 3, 20172 votes

this is what league is like for years if you don't like what you see, my only suggestion is don't wast your time with this game. because non of us realistically believe riot is gonna put a serious effort in to it.

General Esdeath Oct 3, 20172 votes

That got real depressing real fast

Mig89Oct 4, 20173 votes

I'm pretty sure most of the behavior threads are salty players who lose more often because of their own play but need to grasp at air for a scapegoat. Everyone has trolls in their games. It'll happen with any online game

deathgod5Oct 3, 20171 votes

I agree that being high should be a instant ban for (lets say 2 weeks).

I am just afraid the system will go of even if you say it in quoting context like:"report **** for saying he's high."

Mig89Oct 4, 20171 votes

It's reportable to ask for reports so it wouldn't even need to catch you saying high

Kaptain KuddlesOct 5, 20171 votes

The problem is the way he was acting because he was "too drunk" or "too high". He was essentially trolling and being rude / feeding all game. That behavior is ban worthy on its own. Trying to tie that to behavior that can't be directly proven through the game is nonsense. You can't PROVE he is actually drinking or high, you can only see what is happening in his games.

I agree, the trolling and flaming needs to stop, but I don't see Riot finding a way to fight intentional feeders when it's a difficult thing to quantify objectively.