terms of service trolls

scazzman··2 votes·1,005 views

nothing grinds my gears more then people using the terms of use "agreement" to defend riot's overzealous ban policies. being forced to say "i agree"or not play isn't agreeing. it's called being extorted so they can't be sued. and just because they make you sign a document saying they can get away with anything short of murder, doesn't make it right.

EDIT. my issue isnt so much with the agreement itself. more with the people on the boards using it to neiner neiner people

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ModWulf Helhammer12 votes

How old are you?

I ask this seriously because you can't even be in mid-teens and think that telling people to behave as they would in normal society, and if not, kick you out, is exhortation.

Chamuel859 votes

That is a Terms of Service though. If you want to use their tech, program, and infrastructure, you agree to their Terms of Service. That's how it is. Like you can't come into my house and start doing whatever. If you do stuff I do not like, I'll kick you out. It's not trolling to remind people of reality.

Athina7 votes

It's not like you're being asked to do anything special. As far as the related polices go, it can be summarized as such:

Don't be an asshole.

EndlessSorcerer4 votes

It is rather sad how difficult that can be for some players.

scazzman1 votes

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It's not like you're being asked to do anything special. As far as the related polices go, it can be summarized as such:

Don't be an asshole.

that wasn't really the point i'm trying to bring up. i'm trying to say that "i agree" isnt agreeing, and they should come up with a better argument

Athina4 votes

That doesn't even make any sense.

elduris4 votes

If you don't agree, you're free to not play the game. But if you want to play, you need to abide by the rules set forth in the Terms of Service.

scazzman1 votes

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If you don't agree, you're free to not play the game. But if you want to play, you need to abide by the rules set forth in the Terms of Service.

Im less disagreeing. More pointing at the people who toxicly use the TOS to mock people who have been banned

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

its not to mock them its to educate them

scazzman1 votes

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its not to mock them its to educate them

Its redundant information. And is likely just going to be seen as patronizing

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well its giving them the chance to read the thing they didnt read prior to being punished and crying how its unfair when they got no warning ...

scazzman1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=E5Tdmo9R,comment-id=0000000200010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-03T23:11:51.980+0000)

well its giving them the chance to read the thing they didnt read prior to being punished and crying how its unfair when they got no warning ...

Most games have similar user agreements. However most games have a clear " line" of what will get you banned. And riot is the ONLY game i know of. That bans for "passive aggressive chat " as well as for asking for reports. Which leads to people not knowing that they are close to being banned until its already too late

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well one easy solution just dont say anything dont use chat

cant get punished for not using chat

scazzman1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=E5Tdmo9R,comment-id=000000020001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-03T23:17:01.162+0000)

well one easy solution just dont say anything dont use chat

cant get punished for not using chat

I shouldn't have to

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

you have the right to remain silent

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

You see everything as patronizing and baiting you to be toxic, and that is rarely the case. Just ignore the stuff that bothers you and don't respond to it.

scazzman1 votes

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You see everything as patronizing and baiting you to be toxic, and that is rarely the case. Just ignore the stuff that bothers you and don't respond to it.

  • Not at all. I just see people who use the terms of use as thier sole argument similarly to bible thumpers
HexaDecimel1 votes

Hey now, everyone should be thumped by a bible now and then..... :)

Resonance x LFT1 votes

LUL. I kinda agree with OP, but that's mainly because most EULA's are bullshit IMO. I don't have any issue with Riot itself. I did see a massively upvoted thread where customer support wouldn't tell someone why they got banned, and they had been playing since beta with allegedly having a Black Alistar, King Rammus, and a few other rare skins.

Primaquarius5 votes

Since when is agreeing to a few "behave yourself" clauses before playing known as "extortion"?

Serevas4 votes

The concept is super simple, agree or don't play the game, that's a choice, there's no way around that.

It's not extortion in any shape way or form it's standard practice and it's super simple to figure that out.

SavageConcordia4 votes

I can't believe Rito made me agree to be accountable for my actions then held me accountable for my actions!!!!!!!!

scazzman1 votes

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I can't believe Rito made me agree to be accountable for my actions then held me accountable for my actions!!!!!!!!

I FUCKING TOLD YOU GUYS. MY ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE TERMS OF USE THEMSELVES. it's with the people who use them to mock people who got banned

BigBellBrute4 votes

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nothing grinds my gears more then people using the terms of use "agreement" to defend riot's overzealous ban policies. being forced to say "i agree"or not play isn't agreeing. it's called being extorted so they can't be sued. and just because they make you sign a document saying they can get away with anything short of murder, doesn't make it right.

EDIT. my issue isnt so much with the agreement itself. more with the people on the boards using it to neiner neiner people

Do you know what extortion is? You're not being threatened in any way when you click I agree. Hence not extortion.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

well of course its riots way to protect themselves they make the biggest investment into the game and have the most to lose.. and its not just riot its facebook, twitter and so on... all subscriber base companies have similar agreements and when you sign waivers for other things it releases them of liability.

in today society where you can get millions of $ for spilling coffee on your crotch companies have to protect themselves

midnight oil242 votes

Whenever you buy a computer the exact same thing happens. Riot is having you do what you did to have a system to play league on.

Ap Mid Burst1 votes

It's pretty simple. You can only play if you follow their rules on THEIR game. If you don't, you get banned

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