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@RIOT So when are you going to crack down on champion select trolls?

Randomonium··5 votes·1,058 views

Just had a ranked game where our jungler hovered Zed. One of the players in the queue asked if he wanted mid and his response was "no, I main zed jungle." I checked him match history on op.gg and found out he had never played a ranked game on Zed, let alone a game of Zed jungle.

The enemy team picks Zed before he has a chance to so he switches his hover to Teemo jungle. 2 seconds before he needs to lock in switches to Urgot and locks in Urgot jungle. I checked his account and he's never played Teemo or Urgot jungle before. Keep in mind this is in a ranked game.

The rest of us talk about who is going to dodge and ultimately I take the bullet and dodge. Now I'm stuck with the 5 minute wait time and -3 LP and this troll is allowed to go on an troll another game. I submitted a support ticket but I doubt anything will come of it except an automated response from Riot telling me to use the in-client reporting system when possible.

Honestly, when is Riot going to address the issue of trolling in champion select in ranked? This includes but is not limited to:

  1. Playing a very off-meta champion that you've never played before in ranked in a role they normally don't play (i.e. Zed or Urgot jungle.)
  2. Banning away the champion someone hovers (especially if that person is first pick so there's no chance of counter pick.)
  3. Queuing up for a less desired role (like support) and then telling people that you are going a different role (like mid) "no matter what."

Feel free to add any more ways you've seen people troll in champ select.

26 Comments

OneMustFall3 votes

Riot is never going to enforce the meta. Just because you don't agree with their champ choice doesn't mean they don't get to play what they want to play. If you don't like it you can dodge or you can play the game.

Randomonium1 votes

Its not enforcing a meta. If someone chooses a champion they HAVE NEVER PLAYED BEFORE (either in normals or ranked) in a ranked game in a role that is sub-optimal for that champion then that is obviously trolling.

redfeenix2 votes

No it's not obviously trolling.... Obviously trolling is building ap talon or tears on riven. Playing off Meta picks for the first time isn't trolling.

However obviously if they start harassing feeding etc that's trolling. But you shouldn't discriminate against players based on what champ they picked. That's just not cool

Itankyou1 votes

Evelynn summoner 12 summoner 6 I swear im not trolling.

redfeenix1 votes

That's not trolling either. Have you guys even met an actual troll in game?

Itankyou1 votes

ya it looks like this Evelynn summoner 12 summoner 6

Randomonium1 votes

Its not harassment off of what champion they picked. If the guy had played 10 games on Urgot jungle and had a 70% win rate then I'd be cool with it. However, if the guy has never played the champion and he's picking some off the wall pick at the last second without talking to anyone about it then the dude is obviously a troll.

I'm fine with trying weird picks in normals but you shouldn't be pulling out stuff you've never done before in ranked. That's just rude to your team.

You honestly wouldn't think I was a troll if I went Anivia ADC?

OneMustFall1 votes

{quoted}

Its not enforcing a meta. If someone chooses a champion they HAVE NEVER PLAYED BEFORE (either in normals or ranked) in a ranked game in a role that is sub-optimal for that champion then that is obviously trolling.

There is no way to know if that person hasn't played the champ before as they could have a smurf and played the champ on that smurf account. Either way it's not trolling, it's just not optimal. There is no requirement to have played the champion in normals or bots before playing them in Ranked. You simply have to own the champion.

twchris135793 votes

You cannot report someone for picking a non-meta, non role specific champ. It's not a violation of any rules. You also cant judge someones abilities based on match history or if they have any games on that champ. You don't know if he has another account or what. People can literally play any champ in any role and so long as they try to win and don't intentionally feed there is nothing that can be done about it.

I've seen morgana jungles outplay a lee sin before so the champ they pick isnt as important as their overall map awareness and knowledge of the game.

The definition for trolling does not fit what you describe. That person is allowed to play whatever champ they want just as much as you are allowed to come whine on the forums here about it.

Randomonium1 votes

And what about the other things I listed as trolling?

twchris135791 votes

Nothing you listed can be considered trolling. You are assuming this person picks that champ just to feed. With your logic anyone who doesnt pick a champ you dont agree with, fight the way you think they should fight, build the items YOU think they should and play the way you want them to, is trolling.

That logic... it's just so... kappa

Randomonium1 votes

Clearly you didn't read the whole post:

Honestly, when is Riot going to address the issue of trolling in champion select in ranked? This includes but is not limited to:

  1. Playing a very off-meta champion that you've never played before in ranked in a role they normally don't play (i.e. Zed or Urgot jungle.)
  2. Banning away the champion someone hovers (especially if that person is first pick so there's no chance of counter pick.)
  3. Queuing up for a less desired role (like support) and then telling people that you are going a different role (like mid) "no matter what."
twchris135791 votes

Again, nothing you listed is considered trolling by Riots standards. Bans are fair no matter who is first pick, Riot does not enforce a "meta" and people are free to que support or fill then go mid if they want so long as they try to win.

Your logic is invalid.

Randomonium1 votes

That just shows how out of touch you are because Rioters have said that banning away a champion that someone hovers is a reportable offense and not playing your assigned role is a bannable offense (i.e. queuing up for support but refusing to play support.) Unfortunately, Riot hasn't done anything that prevents us from having to play with these people or allow us to report them in champion select.

twchris135791 votes

Provide your source for those claims about what Riot has said.

Randomonium1 votes

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/41se6w/riotlyte_psa_if_you_troll_and_play_a_position_you/

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/JNwgrzih-qa-about-dynamic-queues-and-new-champ-select?comment=00100001

Do you own homework next time.

twchris135791 votes

Those are the opinions of a former Riot employee. Nothing that person said in those posts was added to the Summoners Code or the rules of gameplay. A player cannot be banned for breaking an unofficial rule that was only mentioned in a forum post.

Your logic is still flawed. Riot does not enforce a meta as they have said countless times. The role select system was created to make the game easier for people to get their desired positions but it does not restrict your champion pool or tactics based on that position. You also have the option of selecting "Fill" in the lobby and the game will just slot you into whatever spot is open but again, does not restrict your playstyle.

Try again.

Randomonium1 votes

He said that when he was not only a riot employee but when he was the head of the behavioral development team (you know, the people who decide what is bannable and what is not.) Riot does not amend the Summoners Code every time a new form of trolling is created. They provide amplifying guidance at to what is punishable per the terms of use via forum posts, reddit and twitter. This is how Riot has chosen to explain questions that are left up to interpretation in the terms of use and the summoners code.

You asked me to provide proof from Riot. I did just that from the most vocal rioter with regards to player behavior. Unless you have some better counter arguments than that you've lost pretty horribly. If you want to remain ignorant then please go ahead and troll champ select and see how long your account lasts.

twchris135791 votes

Again your logic is flawed. Someone cant be banned for breaking an unofficial rule. But ok kid, think that. Show me one person who was banned for what you say that did not flame or feed intentionally.

Randomonium1 votes

Lol you just keep moving the goal posts don't you. First I have to give you proof a rioter said it. Once I did that and embarrassed you now you say I have to give you proof that someone was banned for doing that behavior. You'll just never be satisfied will you.

People can be banned for anything. Read the terms of use. Riot can literally ban your account "for any reason or for no reason." And if the head of the player behavior team says THIS WILL GET YOU BANNED then I'm going to trust that he's telling the truth. He's not saying it because its his personal opinion, he's saying it TO WARN PEOPLE so they don't get their accounts banned.

If you want to live in ignorance then please do. I've more than proven my case and all you've done is say "my logic is flawed" (without saying how its flawed) and insult me. That's the lowest form of life when it comes to arguing. Either give some decent counter arguments or stop talking.

Funny how you call me kid and yet I'm far more respectful and mature than you. Maybe that's because I'm actually an adult and you are most likely a kid.

balbraaksel2 votes

Those things are always based on opinions. Urgot jungle is to your opinion troll but maybe with a certain playstyle it isn't. 2 mid is your opinion to be troll but it can work if they'd deny farm or just have two counters to the enemy mid making it an enemy farm fest. Banning a champion someone hovers can have a multitude of reasons.

Also items change, meta changes, champions get used in different roles etc etc. So I don't think it'll ever happen.

SwordOfWar1 votes

You're the one who should get reported for dodging bro

Randomonium1 votes

Where does it say in the terms of use that dodging is not allowed?

MUSHROOM MIDGET1 votes

people can play whatever they want wherever they want. deal with it.

Randomonium1 votes

In normals I'd agree but this is ranked. You shouldn't be choosing troll picks that you've never played before in ranked.

Icy Spectre1 votes

Never, I get muted doesn't matter whether I actually say something toxic or whether I respond sarcastically, so I will find ways to make others suffer too.

Get triggered, SJW's.

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