I didn't want to stop, but it ended up that way.

Lost R··2 votes·1,545 views

Since I came to League back in 2013, I ended playing quite a lot. I liked the game, I liked the lore. I liked the gameplay and visual updates that made the game more balanced and enjoyable to play.

I'll cut to the end. Over time, the community became more and more of a problem. The open hostility and scorn I faced in the beginning are nothing compared to what it became these days in mere passing.

But it was very far beyond a point of "ignore/block them". Problem players started sabotaging not just entire games, but entire DIVISIONS for one increasingly petty reason or another. Missed a minion? Surrender at 15. Enemy got First Blood? Surrender at 15. Someone on your team got First Blood but it wasn't YOU? Surrender at 15. Enemy got the Wind Dragon nobody cares about? Surrender at 15. YOUR team got the Wind Dragon nobody cares about? Surrender at 15. Ally missed a lockstep? Surrender at 15. New champion released? Surrender at 15. New visual update? Surrender at 15.

Each passing year, the community got worse, praising shitty, toxic Twitch streamers and hailing them as heroes and martyrs for suffering and falling at the hands of the "evil corrupt corporation" that is Riot Games; thinking in increasingly one dimensional terms and screaming at the universe when it didn't pan out in a game that punishes such behavior; being increasingly toxic in response to both things up there, getting banned, then jumping on an alternate account or migrating to Overwatch to do the same over there (and that's why Overwatch's community has been a fetid shithole since the very beginning).

It got to the point where I wasn't even playing the game, but staying in an extra lobby full of toxicity and ultra-defeatism, waiting for the next lobby to show up because nobody actually wanted to play the game in the current one. Nobody cared about trying to play the game and working for that win, but having the win effectively handed to them, without effort on their part. If they had to work for it, even a little bit, they'd just give up, complain that it's too much effort, then retire to the fountain to complain about how imbalanced the game is and how everything sucks.

Everyone wants to force themselves to forget that the game is far better balanced today than it ever has been. It still needs work, but it's still many times better than what it used to be. The people who claim otherwise either misremember what it was like, are new here, or are fucking lying. Anyone remember the Promotion spamming? The ludicrous AP ratios on fighters like Sion, Tristana and Master Yi? Master Yi's Alpha Strike spam?

I used to play League all the time. These days, I have to remember that League is a thing, and I just can't bring myself to loading it up again. Not when I'm playing a game that is increasingly stacked against me because of problem players who decided to give up before the minions even have a chance to spawn, or because I have to spend more energy trying to raise the morale of the ENEMY TEAM than I am actually fighting them.

The problem doesn't lie with Riot. Most of the time, they made the right move, or at the very least, I understood why they made the decisions they took. The problem lies with an increasingly toxic community that has been increasingly determined to ruin the experience for everyone else that goes beyond simply spewing a few racist and homophobic slurs in the allchat. Every time you decide to sabotage the game, you drive more people away. I'd like to come back to the game at some point, but every time I get that urge, I remember that I have to play with all of you assholes who only enter the game to ruin it for everybody else. Keep that up, and there will soon be no more League for anyone.

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Aglibich Sakmeov3 votes

it sounds like you're the one with the defeatist attitude. people are going to act dumb wherever you go in life, one of the most important skills you should have learned from getting bullied in middle school is to not let it affect your decision-making. life is a confusing and frustrating place, you have to keep a clear head to make the most out of it. if you let the actions of others tilt you into rage-quitting a game you self-reported to love then you're not only giving them what they want, but you're also denying yourself the personal satisfaction that comes from succeeding in spite of the opposition, and you're also setting a bad example for yourself going forward. if every time you try your best at something you end up quitting because other people are making it hard for you, you'll never get anywhere.

i think you just don't understand why people are toxic to begin with. players spam nonsense in all chat because its fun for them. regardless of how the toxic players actually feel, putting words together in certain orders can actually manipulate other players into tilting, which provides the troll with the reinforcing satisfaction of a job well done on their part. if you have any intention of solving these problems in the long run, you should continue playing and strive to be tilt-proof while your team ints and feeds and griefs in all chat. if your goal with this post was to just complain and hope someone else solves the problem for you then you're the toxic one and this community is better off not having you around.

good luck, have fun

Lost R1 votes

I'm starting to think people have a grave aversion to reading, and would rather gouge their eyes out with rusty fishhooks than read anything even remotely longer than a tweet. BEFORE they increased the character limit.

This goes beyond mere namecalling or petty bullying, which by the way, was the exact same case in middle and high school.

This is about people jumping into the game to NOT PLAY THE GAME.

If you can even get into the game. With autododgers also flooding the game, last time I tried to get into a match, it took far, FAR longer than the match ended up being. After we had to do a remake because two people decided to ragequit because they didn't like what champions were not banned, even when those champions ended up not being in the game ON EITHER TEAM.

That's what I mean by sabotage. Do I need to go slower or use smaller words?

HavokDash1 votes

I hear you. Someone doesnt get the role they want? Dodge someone doesnt get the champ they want? dodge You dont ban who they want? Dodge You take a champ they called "dibs" on (even if you are ahead of them in pick order), They cuss you out, flame and insult, and THEN DODGE someone doesnt like the enemy team comp? dodge someone doesnt like thier own deam comp? dodge Teammate wont kiss a players ass or jump at their command (player A feels its their duty to tell the rest of the team what summoner's/runes/champ.. They dodge

I have had adcs that sit in base and throw a tantrum when anyone other than them gets a kill, or heaven forbid support takes a SINGLE minion (Soraka's Q doesnt exactly let you avoid minions). So my adcs would sit in spawn, throw a damn temper tantrum like a toddler (hense why I refer to the community as "Children/toddlers"...they act like toddlers throwing a tantrum in a crowded supermarket). They will sit there and strangely enough, flame and degrade thier team despite throwing thier tantrum in spawn. Adc will sit in spawn,idle in base. But tell me how "useless/trash" a support I am because I go 0/4 trying to defend bot lane 1v2 while my adc is throwing thier shitfit because I accidentally killed 2 Minions...or worse.....gasp Secured ONE KILL.

Aglibich Sakmeov1 votes

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I'm starting to think people have a grave aversion to reading, and would rather gouge their eyes out with rusty fishhooks than read anything even remotely longer than a tweet. BEFORE they increased the character limit.

This goes beyond mere namecalling or petty bullying, which by the way, was the exact same case in middle and high school.

This is about people jumping into the game to NOT PLAY THE GAME.

If you can even get into the game. With autododgers also flooding the game, last time I tried to get into a match, it took far, FAR longer than the match ended up being. After we had to do a remake because two people decided to ragequit because they didn't like what champions were not banned, even when those champions ended up not being in the game ON EITHER TEAM.

That's what I mean by sabotage. Do I need to go slower or use smaller words?

its okay to be set in your ways but you dont need to insult my intelligence. using toxic language to get your point across does nothing but devalue your credibility since the point of your post was that the community as a whole has become so toxic that youre quitting.

not only that, but a quick lookup of your summoner name on op.gg shows that you played a game 6 hours ago, so your post was really just a big bluff.

good luck, have fun

Lost R1 votes

I'm insulting your intelligence because you don't seem to be actually reading anything I say.

I used to play League all the time. These days, I have to remember that League is a thing, and I just can't bring myself to loading it up again.

I'd like to come back to the game at some point.

And that game was AFTER I made the above posts.

To drive my point home further, AGAIN, you ignore my point that this isn't about people saying a few naughty words. THis is about people wanting to sabotage a game over the smallest thing. I may be a bitter prick, but I have NEVER sabotaged a game or tried to force a surrender. I have always played the game seriously until the bitter end. How many other people can make the same claim?

C9 Squeeky 1 votes

Play the game for the game itself. Mute your team if you have to and just communicate with pings. Or just pretend your teammates are bots. Yeah it's cliche for me to say "mute" but honestly, that's all you can do. It'll prevent you from seeing their toxic messages and help you focus on the important things. Try to go into each game as an adventure. People by nature are sinful, selfish, rude. Maybe you can be that friendly cheer and find some people you can add and play with.

Lost R1 votes

Did you... actually READ any of the post, or did the idea of light reading scare you?

The problem lies with an increasingly toxic community that has been increasingly determined to ruin the experience for everyone else that goes beyond simply spewing a few racist and homophobic slurs in the allchat.

As in people are actively sabotaging the game for everyone else, entering the game only to force a surrender at the drop of a hat (read: intentionally feeding) or sit in the fountain and do nothing for the entire game.

FireBlaze1001 votes

“I remember that I have to play with all of you assholes who only enter the game to ruin it for everybody else.” So you mean everyone that plays this game is an asshole?

HavokDash1 votes

Short answer from past experience: YES

Longer answer: Everyone is too arrogant and full of themselves to see beyond thier kda. They dont see teammates, they see "4 witnesses to how AMAZING/OP -I- (insert player here) is" They dont want a team, they want 4 people they can lord over, degrade, insult, blame for their losses and ignore. Nothing but spoiled children convinced of thier own self superiority. You dont give them all the kills and they will tantrum, you dont tell them how perfect they are and they will afk and act like they are "too good" for thier team (Lost count how many times I have heard the arrogant blowhard BS that is "Fine then, I will just farm, good luck winning this match without ME" or "You wouldnt have gotten as far as you did without ME carrying your trash")

So I would say Yes, May be a few exceptions...But I would classify those under the "unicorn" rule. They exist, but reveal themselves far too rarely to be considered real.

Lost R1 votes

It's called the 1v9 mentality. And people think they're going to get ANYWHERE by making everyone around them their enemy, or actively go out of their way to make enemies and sabotage games over... stupid shit.

When the jungle was revamped back in 2014(ish), I went 10/0 in one game as jungle Nautilus before the lanes opened up. Before he got his huge buff. That autotilted a player ON MY TEAM! Because apparently Nautilus wasn't supposed to or allowed get that many kills by some arbitrary, unspoken law.

Had one Zed autotilt over me as support Karma getting a triple kill (honestly I was more surprised that I didn't die in that ambush) when he made a huge point to let me die before attempting to swoop in and get the kill (he flash jumped in at the last second when the fight didn't go that way), and he attempted to sabotage the game after that, claiming I stole his kills.

Had countless autotilters scream at me both in-game AND on the forums over using the Titanic Hydra on Cho'gath. A month or two after I began doing that, it was added in his recommended build. I came onto the forums and told the entire collective community of players to go fuck themselves.

It's more than just colossal arrogance. It's combined with a grave, fatal lack of understanding of the game most people dedicate many hours into. They only follow and mimic statistics they don't understand, then throw a planetary shit fit if it doesn't work out, and throw an even bigger planetary shit fit if others don't go along with that. It's almost a case study about self-enforced ignorance, anti-intellectualism, and overall Dissonance.

FireBlaze1001 votes

Stop acting like you are special you are no more special then the other people that get the same type of teammates. I don’t think it matters that you don’t wanna play the game anymore that’s fine new players will come.

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