how to fix toxicity in ranked

scazzman·Jan 21, 2017·1 votes·677 views

the main problems are A: trolls B. tilt factor C. smurfs

but i had a solution that would be both unabusable, and not affect innocent players significantly enough to be a problem

winstreak/loss streak based ranked cooldowns

after going on a 3 game loss streak in ranked, a player must win 3 normal games before going back into ranked this would lower the amount of boosted/unskilled/trolls in ranked, thereby reducing the sodium levels of players in ranked and therefore reducing the amount of toxic chat

after going on a winstreak of 3 or more, IN PLAT 5 OR BELOW a player is put on a 1 hour dodge timer for RANKED QUEUES ONLY, this would reduce the odds of running into a smurf, and lessen the impact that a smurf can have on low elo

19 Comments

Ad Vitam AeternaJan 21, 20172 votes

Lol, they have already tried kicking people out of ranked for toxicity by forcing them to win normals. It didn't last long after they realized forcing angry people to play a mode they don't care about and forcing them to win gets them to flame the living shit out of their more casual teammates.

scazzmanJan 21, 20171 votes

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Lol, they have already tried kicking people out of ranked for toxicity by forcing them to win normals. It didn't last long after they realized forcing angry people to play a mode they don't care about and forcing them to win gets them to flame the living shit out of their more casual teammates.

this would affect EVERYONE though. not just toxics

Ad Vitam AeternaJan 21, 20172 votes

Forcing ranked players to play and win norms would get them to flame, like it did the first time around. They aren't going to make that same mistake again.

scazzmanJan 21, 20171 votes

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Forcing ranked players to play and win norms would get them to flame, like it did the first time around. They aren't going to make that same mistake again.

again, this would not be triggered by player behavior, just winstreak/loss streak, it would be no different than autofill, also, the primary target isnt toxic either, but rather boosted players, unskilleds and smurfs

Ad Vitam AeternaJan 21, 20172 votes

Again, force competitive players onto a bullshit mode where they also have to win and you are going to get them flaming their casual teammates who are holding them back from making it back into ranked.

This idea is wildly stupid and won't ever happen again.

scazzmanJan 21, 20172 votes

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Again, force competitive players onto a bullshit mode where they also have to win and you are going to get them flaming their casual teammates who are holding them back from making it back into ranked.

This idea is wildly stupid and won't ever happen again.

the same can be said about allowing trolls and casual players unhindered into competitive play, or forcing players to play support

Ad Vitam AeternaJan 21, 20171 votes

They weren't unhindered and still aren't. Again, they tried punishing toxic players by forcing them to win normal matches. Now they get punished faster than they did back then. Players have to be forced to support otherwise que times would get abysmal.

scazzmanJan 21, 20171 votes

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They weren't unhindered and still aren't. Again, they tried punishing toxic players by forcing them to win normal matches. Now they get punished faster than they did back then. Players have to be forced to support otherwise que times would get abysmal.

they are unhindered. currently the only wall to ranked is being level 30. which you can do in a week by spamming ARAMS

Ad Vitam AeternaJan 21, 20171 votes

You mean they have to spend about 25 bucks and spend the time to grind for a week+ on a new account. You don't reach level 30 in a week without per win boosts and per day, I've leveled 3 accounts over the last couple months.

KarunamonJan 21, 20171 votes

No. The problems with ranked center around player conduct, not player skill. Start item 3133 ing people sooner for inting, trolling, and so on, and watch the problems go away.

scazzmanJan 21, 20171 votes

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No. The problems with ranked center around player conduct, not player skill. Start ing people sooner for inting, trolling, and so on, and watch the problems go away.

this would help, but reviews take time, this would dampen the impact of trolls while they are still in the review process, and not risk innocent players being banned,

KarunamonJan 21, 20171 votes

If my games are any indication, instantly disconnecting someone, permanently banning them, and setting their computer on fire the moment they enter a sentence ending in "or i feed" would go a long way to cleaning things up.

League is a game I want to get better at, but I don't want to be abused and cheated out of games to get there. Riot simply isn't aggressive enough.

woodvsmurphJan 21, 20171 votes

Or... temp ban trolls and inting players. If they repeatedly int/troll ban permanently. Do this, we don't have so many flamers because they are not stuck outplaying jungler camps while their team feeds for no reason and won't listen to the fact that they can just ff at tower, stall the game, and win if they are willing to not suicide force outnumbered engages vs the people they fed all laning -- as though they are going to magically outplay people who kicked their butt all game now that the enemy has lvl and item advantage. If people who don't understand this were not continually put in matches with teammates who understand something this simple, then the teammates who have some actual macro and general game intelligence wouldn't flame their teammates, because they wouldn't be stuck explaining 8+ times (nicely at first, then angrily after team ignored 3+ times and keeps suiciding) what team has to do to come back and win. I swear team's ignore until too late, listen for maybe 1 fight (and wow you win that fight) then go back to ignoring and throw to give enemy team the winning push. So yeah, temp ban is not too harsh and SHOULD be getting used more on inting/troll players who get reported. And don't reply with bs "you can't know if it's a bad game or trolling/inting". The only people who cannot tell the difference in most cases are boosted trolls/inting players.

If you force fights 2v2, 1v1, 3v3, or whatever and you lose on even items and levels, you are not going to win them when down in levels and items. Make that mistake once, I forgive you. Make it twice, you annoy me and I will tell you to stop forcing fights because you clearly are not smart enough to recognize that simple truth on your own. Do it 3+ times and it is no longer possible to claim it is a "mistake" and you are having a bad game --you are either trolling/inting or very very boosted. Either way, you need to be knocked down a few tiers so the skill at which you play matches your rank and so you don't screw over teammates who actually deserve to win more than any other player in the game but cannot because they are 1v9 or 2v7 with one net neutral teammate.

Kei143Jan 22, 20171 votes

so devil's avocate, if I know I'm good, I'll win 2 games and purposely loose the third game and avoid the timer.

Isn't that worse than try-harding everygame?

scazzmanJan 22, 20171 votes

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so devil's avocate, if I know I'm good, I'll win 2 games and purposely loose the third game and avoid the timer.

Isn't that worse than try-harding everygame?

valid point, perhaps riot could toon feederbuster's algorythms to be on extra alert if people are on winstreaks

BettnachlegerJan 22, 20172 votes

That's so dumb, holy shit ...

Your Next KillJan 22, 20171 votes

Please no.

I play normals to get away from toxicity and tilted players and to just have fun.

Forcing the tilted/losing players into norms would make me quit.

scazzmanJan 23, 20171 votes

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Please no.

I play normals to get away from toxicity and tilted players and to just have fun.

Forcing the tilted/losing players into norms would make me quit.

the mistake riot made when doing ranked restrictions, was restricting it to ormal draft. this would allow you to play it off in bots

KVbqbFsC8eJan 22, 20171 votes

The biggest factor of causing toxicity is the same as its always been- the ranking system. If players are punished for their teammates playing poorly, toxicity will always exist.