Does Riot still care about role stealing in blind pick?

trash sion··7 votes·3,634 views

Had an Udyr last game lock in jungle after I'd called it, but because me and our Malphite managed to carry the game and win he thought he'd get out without a report.

What with new draft pick being around for so long now, does my report mean anything? Hard to prove he stole a role if he wasn't assigned one to begin with and I'm not sure if pre-game chats are accessible.

It just kinda sucks thinking that he can do this whenever he wants and get away with it.

17 Comments

CasterGilgamesh6 votes

That's why I never play blind pick it's a horrible place to learn new roles

XerShade5 votes

"Had an Udyr last game lock in jungle after I'd called it"

  • He can play what he wants, period.

"but because me and our Malphite managed to carry the game and win"

  • This is relevant because?

"he thought he'd get out without a report."

  • See unless he was toxic in game, he can NOT be banned for picking something you didn't like.

"What with new draft pick being around for so long now"

  • Not relevant, you are in blind que.

"does my report mean anything?"

  • No, unless he was toxic in game.

"Hard to prove he stole a role if he wasn't assigned one to begin with"

  • Again, this is not relevant as roles are meta and riot has said the meta isn't the law.

"and I'm not sure if pre-game chats are accessible."

  • They are, all they will show is you calling a role then someone else wanting to play it, not toxic.

"It just kinda sucks thinking that he can do this whenever he wants and get away with it."

  • Yeah, because its ALLOWED, unless he locked in AFTER you it can be argued YOU were toxic as he already picked a champion and job for the team and you are getting on him simply because he beat you to the punch.

Blind pick is basically first lock, first pick. It is the same as someone getting your primary in team builder, if they get it you can ask (call) for it but if they say no (have already picked) you are out of luck.

EvilDustMan4 votes

It's pick order not call order. Riot can't enforce call order.

trash sion1 votes

There is no pick order in blinds, but I was top of my team's roster which is as close as it gets lol.

Regardless, you answered the question that they can't enforce call order. Take the upvote (:

EvilDustMan2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Azuk the Jungler,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=8XLp7RE8,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-09-22T19:25:03.794+0000)

There is no pick order in blinds, but I was top of my team's roster which is as close as it gets lol.

Regardless, you answered the question that they can't enforce call order. Take the upvote (:

There's an order you are stacked in is the pick order that Riot recognizes.

TrulyBland3 votes

Which is not the same as pick order, for very very obvious reasons.

Pick order was endorsed (not enforced, btw) by Riot because it's a fairly intuitive system in draft: If you pick before the other person can even choose, you will always have the last word; or rather: the first word. You can't contest that, because by the time you could contest by locking in your own choice, the person picking before you has already finalized their choice. The only choice you have at that point is whether you will screw over your team out of spite, or whether you will adapt to the situation at hand. That intuitivity simply doesn't exist in blind pick.

Apart from that, consider the following extreme scenario: "First" pick doesn't pick anything for ages. Second pick thus calls a role (to make their intention clear) and picks a champion (without locking in). Second pick then fixes their masteries and runes for that specific champion in that specific role. Three seconds before autolock, first pick calls and picks the role second pick called. If pick order was actually enforced, second pick would now within three seconds have to switch their champion, and thus within 13 second switch their masteries and runes, rather than being able to use the entire time Riot actually intended them to be able to use.

The bottom line is, if Riot wanted blind pick to follow pick order, blind pick would have, you know, an actual pick order, rather than a randomly ordered list of players.


Now, all of that said, what Riot actually endorsed has always been: communication > pick order > call order And without a proper way to enforce either pick or call order in blind pick, communication is the only thing that's left, really. Try to arrange yourself with your team and don't lock in a taken role just out of spite. Unfortunately, "stealing" a role as such simply doesn't exist in any detectable way in blind pick.

Edit: Also, I'm fairly certain reds even clarified that it doesn't apply to blind pick. Can't find it, since it's on the old forums... but the best I could find was this, from Riot Socrates:

Got some questions recently about whether this applies to normal draft since it's not called out specifically in the original post. We do feel this applies to normal draft as well ranked. source: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3449932&page=137#post40675173

The fact that he specifies it for normal draft, but not for blind pick heavily implies that it doesn't count for blind pick.

FabulousDonuts1 votes

The fact that you think that the roles are in pick order is stupid, during these countless years of playing league there's only been pickorder in old draft system. if you ever play blind, then you'll notice that people actually spam the lane that they want in chat. Since you said you go after pick order I assume you're that one annoying person who troll picks a lane in blind pick coz he wants that special lane, even though someone already has the lane locked in, after they typed it in chat*[slayer-jinx-unamused]*

Morality Coach4 votes

Blind pick is anything goes, so if you can't fill or not be raged when you get your role stolen don't play it.

You can only report for this in draft mode.

Kinetika4 votes

I'm not sure that they ever did care about this...hard to "steal" a role that you never really owned. Calling in chat is kind of pointless because sometimes people join after you've already typed. I haven't played a blind pick normal game in a long, long time for this sole reason.

Maximum Morde4 votes

Riot never cared about "role stealing" in blind pick. They do NOT enforce the meta. There is no such thing as a role when there is no enforced meta for blind.

Morality Coach4 votes

There is no such thing as picking a lane in blind pick. Never has been. If someone steals the jungle lock in jungle double jungle and ruin the game. It's allowed might as well do it.

If you don't want to be toxic just fill

BLACK REALM GOD3 votes

guy - you're more likely to be chat restricted for arguing over roles than the guy that "stole" your lane. blind does not have any rules or metas regarding lanes. you go in choose a champ you want to play and find your place on the map when the game loads. the whole lane calling thing is just a way for players to try to strategize prior to the start of the game. there's no law or rule saying player X has to go to lane Y with Z champ. if that's the format you're looking for then play draft. blind is for new players and trying out new compositions and champs against actual players. im sorry to have to be the one to clarify that for you, but it's how it is.

S0kaX2 votes

Play draft, everything's better on draft.

trash sion1 votes

Only had around an hour and didn't want to wait through dodges and bans in draft, so I had to do blinds lol.

Nar7ia2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Azuk the Jungler,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=8XLp7RE8,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-09-22T19:25:26.805+0000)

Only had around an hour and didn't want to wait through dodges and bans in draft, so I had to do blinds lol.

Tbh you can't really report someone for stealing your role in blind pick because as far as I know its not a punishable offense. Also calling out roles is regarded as general courtesy by the community but its not a rule. So , sadly I don't think that udyr is going to get punished or your report means anything. It sucks I know - used to happen a lot back in the days too but nothing we can do about it.

Just stick with draft from next time. Takes a little bit longer but its worth it.

DatLegend271 votes

{quoted}

Play draft, everything's better on draft.

funny you cant play draft before 12:00 kappa

Gary B Enkelis1 votes

Officially, in draft it is pick order. In blind nobody cares (I believe). Maybe you can report them for not communicating, if that is still an option.... but blind pick is wild.

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