You will be muted and don't expect me as the jungler show up in your lane again.
I am literally wasting my time helping you by saving your cs, if you don't appreciate my effort then cool go fuck yourself.
lolptwo5 votesI have better advice for you. As someone who used to smurf (don't really play league anymore).
Instead of using this low elo mentality of always fighting your teammates (OMG HE SPAM PING ME FUCK YOU IM NEVER COMING TO YOUR LANE AGAIN) try this Make the correct play no matter what your teammates think. If they are being abusive ( and in low elo they normally will just mute them) I once had a yasuo go 0-5 in lane and try and blame me for every single mistake he was making. I didn't ignore his lane though. I ganked when I knew it was the right time to gank. I still came and froze lane even when he was spam pinging me because,_ I don't give a fuck what low elos think, they don't know anything? Why are you spam pinging me? I don't even give a shit to hear it I'm doing it anyways. _
If they can't realize what you are doing. That's on them, but for you to play emotionally like that rather than objectively making the correct plays is really something that's going to hold you back a couple of divisions.
Remember low elos. No matter how much of a Douchebag your team is, they are just random kids online, the only thing you're there for is gaining LP for YOURSELF then leave and never see them again.
GRVet3ran0sS3 votesI like unicorns.
The Deckowner21 votesDo you even know what covering means?
It means to freeze the wave at a certain distance away from the tower so it doesn't die to the tower and prevents dmg on the tower.
covering=/=brainlessly pushing the wave
entitledplayer10 votes[{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7RAUT5Y0,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-04-21T04:53:10.685+0000)
Do you even know what covering means?
It means to freeze the wave at a certain distance away from the tower so it doesn't die to the tower and prevents dmg on the tower.
covering=/=brainlessly pushing the wave
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If a laner doesn't understand that they aren't going to be delayed an item from losing 119~130 from a single wave, then they aren't worth the investment of keeping a pressured lane for.
It's gameplay and building block basics of wave manipulation -- The literal difference between you losing 250 gold teamwise because Ally jungler let your wave hit tower on Wave + Cannon wave, and you losing 79 gold from the first wave, but reserving 150 gold from the cannon wave while giving your jungle half if nto a full bar of experince to hit 6 earlier than a sub -4:30 timing to swing around out of vision and camp your lane on the return.
None of this is likely to happen if you spam ? like a immature child -- usually because we as junglers see you don't get the bigger pictures. If we don't outright take the whole next wave by deciding you don't deserve carry gold, since you don't have the temperament or maturity.
Toxic, it is not. Annoying? Yeah, it is. _Just like being spammed with contextless pings all over the minimap. _
I don't condone tit-for-tat, but I understand why I see alot of players do this regularly for laners that are douchebags.
BladeSteel5 votesWhat I hate are the people spamming "back off" and "I'm coming" while they're standing still in base. It's happened as support and jg. If you aren't here and they're going to die anyways I'm taking it.
warmcorntortilla1 votesIf I initiate on my laner and get my cc on them or w/e, I don't really want my jungler coming in for a last minute love tap to get the kill/assist gold. Too many times have I been about to aa somebody as Lux to pop my passive and get the kill and a sneakily-placed Shaco box gets the kill instead of me...
entitledplayer1 votesIf I initiate on my laner and get my cc on them or w/e, I don't really want my jungler coming in for a last minute love tap to get the kill/assist gold. Too many times have I been about to aa somebody as Lux to pop my passive and get the kill and a sneakily-placed Shaco box gets the kill instead of me...
Then you need to learn to calculate your damage output better, and know how many spell rotations and Autos it'll take to kill someone -- otherwise, you have no place to be angry about the jungler/support/ ally team kill-securing somethign you'd drop.
A sure thing > Any opportunity for them to escape/ be saved
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7RAUT5Y0,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-04-21T04:53:10.685+0000)
Do you even know what covering means?
It means to freeze the wave at a certain distance away from the tower so it doesn't die to the tower and prevents dmg on the tower.
covering=/=brainlessly pushing the wave
I "cover" everyone's lane when I played singed.
It's fun.
BladeSteel2 votesLol his edit though
PikaCHU5673 votesTo Top, Mid, and Bot laners,
instead of constantly pinging your Jungle to get away from the enemy minions "at your tower", let them clear it while you buy items at base or when you're walking to your lane as it'll help the Jungler get more gold AND prevent the enemy minion from destroying your towers.
Randomonium1 votesAnd even more importantly it gives the jungler a ton of experience (that would be lost if no one was there) which means they can gank more often without falling behind in levels and their ganks will be more impactful because they are a higher level.
Firu3 votesI understand the frustration but is that last part really needed? You could have gotten your point across without the unnecessary, angry comment at the end.
The Deckowner3 votesit is kinda inappropriate, but there really isn't many ways to express the frustration.
Penns1 votesYou could say "get good". Thatd be more fitting too lel
The Deckowner4 votesthat will sound very lame
Ada Wong2 votesThe problem with junglers doing this especially in the lower elo is they Push the lane, and this can actually cause an enemy to get ahead/kills if done improperly or cause loss of lane.
The Deckowner1 votesI am a silver trash, but freezing a minion wave undertower is honestly not that hard.
ImmortalBloodCY2 votesI am not a jungle main but as a support main I can understand your pain.
I sometimes freeze the lane(bot/mid/top) when i am near them yet my team.....is being toxic(Not always but quite a bit)..
Honestly its not just the junglers than have this pain, the supports do too.
BladeSteel1 votesEspecially when instead of walking back to lane they stand in base between inhib and turret to spam pings
agbudar1 votesyea happens often enough to the point i dont care. i mute them the moment they start
happened a lot with riven main when she was played.
The Deckowner1 voteshavent seem a lot of riven lately, mostly freaking adc mains.
BladeSteel1 votesThat's cause they aren't riven mains. They're fotm mains
agbudar1 votesriven has/had a very high playrate on average if you look at gg stats so i would call it mains for sure
Smitty Manjensen1 votesI don't mind them last hitting, but what usual happens is the jungler pushing the wave to the enemy turret so it costs me much more if they just died at turret.
entitledplayer1 votesI don't mind them last hitting, but what usual happens is the jungler pushing the wave to the enemy turret so it costs me much more if they just died at turret.
That's called an extended tax. Getting a level and half will not put you, the laner, behind. It's only 250~300 gold, ~100 coming from the wave they stopped at tower.
Beggars cannot be choosers.
Smitty Manjensen1 votesThat's called an extended tax. Getting a level and half will not put you, the laner, behind. It's only 250~300 gold, ~100 coming from the wave they stopped at tower.
Beggars cannot be choosers.
Wut? Now people justify this? Wow, the jungler and support circlejerk is getting too strong. If he steals my whole wave while doing nothing I will say something to him, he can cost me the lane with such behavior.
entitledplayer1 votesWut? Now people justify this? Wow, the jungler and support circlejerk is getting too strong. If he steals my whole wave while doing nothing I will say something to him, he can cost me the lane with such behavior.
So.. you don't know how much a wave is worth, or how much a cannon wave is worth.
If you're not on lane when this happens, you don't lose anything if you take the jungle camps behind your lane 3 times, which isn't hard to do.
Smitty Manjensen1 votesSo.. you don't know how much a wave is worth, or how much a cannon wave is worth.
If you're not on lane when this happens, you don't lose anything if you take the jungle camps behind your lane 3 times, which isn't hard to do.
If I did this first to his camps you people would call me a filthy animal, but when the jungler does it, it's k. No, it's not k, he can last hit without problems, but if you push my wave and take every single one of them for no reason at all you are a douche, I am now vulnerable to ganks from enemies jungler.
entitledplayer1 votesIf I did this first to his camps you people would call me a filthy animal, but when the jungler does it, it's k. No, it's not k, he can last hit without problems, but if you push my wave and take every single one of them for no reason at all you are a douche, I am now vulnerable to ganks from enemies jungler.
Because the first camp to a jungler is actually what sets jungle clear speed -- Fuck a jungler at his start, do not expect map pressure until they're 3 -- which you just delayed by :10 ~ 20 -- Which in those ten to twenty seconds is the timing window for when a jungler of any ELo will see you, and kill you -- While your jungler is sitll farming to 3/6.
As for your own opinion, you're entitled to it if it's informed -- But you don't become immediately vulnerable to ganks because someone took 2~4 minions out of a 6/7 minion wave.
If you don't know techniques to wave manipulation, go google it and learn.
Smitty Manjensen1 votesBecause the first camp to a jungler is actually what sets jungle clear speed -- Fuck a jungler at his start, do not expect map pressure until they're 3 -- which you just delayed by :10 ~ 20 -- Which in those ten to twenty seconds is the timing window for when a jungler of any ELo will see you, and kill you -- While your jungler is sitll farming to 3/6.
As for your own opinion, you're entitled to it if it's informed -- But you don't become immediately vulnerable to ganks because someone took 2~4 minions out of a 6/7 minion wave.
If you don't know techniques to wave manipulation, go google it and learn.
Shit, my mistake for even trying to argue with a jungle main or supporter, also please don't try to sound smart about wave manipulation, you're bronze 1, you probably don't know how to do it, I wasn't even talking about it, the jungler taking the whole wave while pushing is a dick move and is considered as such everywhere, especially if I say to him to not push just last hit, but nope he's gonna do it anyway.
entitledplayer1 votesShit, my mistake for even trying to argue with a jungle main or supporter, also please don't try to sound smart about wave manipulation, you're bronze 1, you probably don't know how to do it, I wasn't even talking about it, the jungler taking the whole wave while pushing is a dick move and is considered as such everywhere, especially if I say to him to not push just last hit, but nope he's gonna do it anyway.
I'm actually not bronze one, this account is bronze one. Have the same player troll 7 of your 10 placement matches by throwing intentionally on on of your smurfs on sight because of your account name, and see how far down it places you.
It's not fun to lose because someone assumes you're trolling, despite hardcarrying them on your spine with Fizz/Nunu.
Ontop of that, how does ranking have anything to do with an intelligent discussion?
Also no, it's a dick move to you. You're free to have an opinion, but yours is one that less than 66.7% of the playerbase shares -- including players from Bronze and Silver -- The players that are expected to hold this as a mentality in the first place.
Gold is gold -- You cannot get passive-aggressive over something that ultimately will mean nothing in a solo top/middle lane;
If this were a discussion of how troll supports could fuck over a Backline/Frontline in middle/bottom/jungle, that'd be a different story -- But a jungler's main purpose is to be the offrole that gives up the steady level gain and gold generation from laning to farm from the jungle camps which re spawn every :55 on death -- unlike waves which spawn every :30 -- so that when you're outnumbered, they can even the odds.
Getting mad that they tax you at all is both silly and pointless.
Smitty Manjensen1 votesI'm actually not bronze one, this account is bronze one. Have the same player troll 7 of your 10 placement matches by throwing intentionally on on of your smurfs on sight because of your account name, and see how far down it places you.
It's not fun to lose because someone assumes you're trolling, despite hardcarrying them on your spine with Fizz/Nunu.
Ontop of that, how does ranking have anything to do with an intelligent discussion?
Also no, it's a dick move to you. You're free to have an opinion, but yours is one that less than 66.7% of the playerbase shares -- including players from Bronze and Silver -- The players that are expected to hold this as a mentality in the first place.
Gold is gold -- You cannot get passive-aggressive over something that ultimately will mean nothing in a solo top/middle lane;
If this were a discussion of how troll supports could fuck over a Backline/Frontline in middle/bottom/jungle, that'd be a different story -- But a jungler's main purpose is to be the offrole that gives up the steady level gain and gold generation from laning to farm from the jungle camps which re spawn every :55 on death -- unlike waves which spawn every :30 -- so that when you're outnumbered, they can even the odds.
Getting mad that they tax you at all is both silly and pointless.
Why wouldn't I get mad if he didn't do anything? Seriously, I die and then he comes and takes a whole wave for nothing. Why should he get to tax for nothing, if he helped me, he can take a couple minions no prob, I am talking about jungler just coming top and taking my wave, not even last hitting for no reason, that isn't justified, and should not be. Even you precious jungle mains can make mistakes, although on boards it seems people think junglers and supports are Gods who can't make mistakes.
entitledplayer1 votesWhy wouldn't I get mad if he didn't do anything? Seriously, I die and then he comes and takes a whole wave for nothing. Why should he get to tax for nothing, if he helped me, he can take a couple minions no prob, I am talking about jungler just coming top and taking my wave, not even last hitting for no reason, that isn't justified, and should not be. Even you precious jungle mains can make mistakes, although on boards it seems people think junglers and supports are Gods who can't make mistakes.
That means you're nto seeing the bigger picture: It's a game.
Or the more important picture: endgame, it will not matter.
Smitty Manjensen1 votesThat means you're nto seeing the bigger picture: It's a game.
Or the more important picture: endgame, it will not matter.
Meh, I see that whatever I say you will say something irrelevant. Won't bother anymore.
entitledplayer1 votesMeh, I see that whatever I say you will say something irrelevant. Won't bother anymore.
That's not a rebuttal, or makes the channel of communication incorrect simply because you throw up your hands -- Endgame, 117 gold dropped or lost to a jungler will not stop you from carrying.
If you're physically trying to blame any exp/gold loss as how you lsot lane against items buys when that's not how level growth or item advantages work -- then it's because you fundamentally don't understand that a jungler is an extension of a resource you can depend on when you call on them.
Where in LoL does it say you need to play 1v1 to win any lane? Because that document doesn't exist -- You should be looking for every underhanded way to destroy any chance the enemy has to win over you -- If the jungler/anothe rplayer taking cs can achieve that and it works out, then you ahve no reasont o get angry.
Not taking accountability for that is what makes half of matches stressful -- despite the potential being there, someone's attitude makes a game hard because they want to do anything possible to resent and passive-aggressively troll so that they other person can "feel my pain", whether to be done out of spite or out of pleasure of greifing -- you ruin everyone's experience for an inconveniencing of yours.
If ti works, it works. If it doesn't, still no reason: It's a match, and a game -- Don't get that angry over it.
You getting heated to the point you start flaming and being toxic is where you cross the line of human decency and civility over something you protest and say is a rant-inducing slight to you.
You can choose to walk away, but don't attempt for a second to project that I'm not making and stating good arguments and points that you'd rather not address because you don't know how, rather than it being because I won't listen -- I've sat here presenting the plain counter-argument, and you've so far said nothing of true note on the subject, you've only present anecdotal personal presentations of your ideology, and I personally don't subscribe to it or anything in it.
Smitty Manjensen1 votesThat's not a rebuttal, or makes the channel of communication incorrect simply because you throw up your hands -- Endgame, 117 gold dropped or lost to a jungler will not stop you from carrying.
If you're physically trying to blame any exp/gold loss as how you lsot lane against items buys when that's not how level growth or item advantages work -- then it's because you fundamentally don't understand that a jungler is an extension of a resource you can depend on when you call on them.
Where in LoL does it say you need to play 1v1 to win any lane? Because that document doesn't exist -- You should be looking for every underhanded way to destroy any chance the enemy has to win over you -- If the jungler/anothe rplayer taking cs can achieve that and it works out, then you ahve no reasont o get angry.
Not taking accountability for that is what makes half of matches stressful -- despite the potential being there, someone's attitude makes a game hard because they want to do anything possible to resent and passive-aggressively troll so that they other person can "feel my pain", whether to be done out of spite or out of pleasure of greifing -- you ruin everyone's experience for an inconveniencing of yours.
If ti works, it works. If it doesn't, still no reason: It's a match, and a game -- Don't get that angry over it.
You getting heated to the point you start flaming and being toxic is where you cross the line of human decency and civility over something you protest and say is a rant-inducing slight to you.
You can choose to walk away, but don't attempt for a second to project that I'm not making and stating good arguments and points that you'd rather not address because you don't know how, rather than it being because I won't listen -- I've sat here presenting the plain counter-argument, and you've so far said nothing of true note on the subject, you've only present anecdotal personal presentations of your ideology, and I personally don't subscribe to it or anything in it.
Seriously, you totally not get what I am saying. YOU are being toxic too by taking my wave and pushing the minon wave to the enemy especially if it puts me in his half of the lane, Seriously if I tell you to only last hit and not push you just last hit, too many ignore me and do whatever they want, all I am saying that YOU junglers aren't saints and not everything you do is justified. Also judging by your comments your nickname suits you too well. Now I am out, don't bother replying anymore, so bye.
entitledplayer1 votesSeriously, you totally not get what I am saying.
You haven't really been making points of knowledge. Elaborate.
YOU are being toxic too by taking my wave and pushing the minon wave to the enemy especially if it puts me in his half of the lane, Seriously if I tell you to only last hit and not push you just last hit, too many ignore me and do whatever they want, all I am saying that YOU junglers aren't saints and not everything you do is justified.
There's not a single jungler who's going to actively gut your lane unless they know you need to push into tower to deny the enemy a siege wave or any cs on lane to put them behind. Any run-of-the-mill jungler that does is a bad jungler -- You're asserting that ** ALL ** junglers do this to all players, which is where you're wrong and why I keep correcting you.
Junglers you played with probably do this to you, because they don't know any better or anything about wave manipulation and taxing -- Instead of your doing as you asserted here:
If I did this first to his camps you people would call me a filthy animal, but when the jungler does it, it's k. No, it's not k, he can last hit without problems, but if you push my wave and take every single one of them for no reason at all you are a douche, I am now vulnerable to ganks from enemies jungler.
-- You need to not say anything in the heat of the moment, calm yourself, and dicuss the matter after the game, because talking about it during the game will not matter -- They will rightfully mute you because you're harassing them about an inconveniencing.
{quoted} Also judging by your comments** your nickname **suits you too well. Now I am out, don't bother replying anymore, so bye.
My summoner name is not a nickname that describes who I am -- it is an in-joke of what people expect and think of in an internet discussion board when they see opinion that are radically difference than their own and actively want to hate that person and call them what I've seen and had people call me before despite being 100% correct on the topic when discussion in rational and realistic terms: an entitled player.
I named this smurf this name because I wanted it to be ironic -- Entitlement means you believe you have a society permitted right to do something -- Like free speech protecting you from being legally punished for a opinion on a topic.
But something you need to understand, poster: ** you're not entitled to a personal opinion -- you're entitled to a personal and informed opinion, and not entitled to converse with another or more posters from a place of ignorance and unreasonably as a unrepentant asshole. **
Right now, that backhanded sign-off:
Also judging by your comments** your nickname **suits you too well. Now I am out, don't bother replying anymore, so bye.
That physically hurts to read, because you're trying to shut down communication because you're making yourself small-minded and closing off into a personal bubble to protect yourself from a dissenting opinion and a potentially view-changing diatribe based on your current opinion and observations against mine.
Shame, sir. It's a shame that you'd rather choose to make anyone you don't agree with white noise and sit in a echo-chamber of your own thoughts hyping up a negative outlook, rather than actually discuss the matter at hand -- You'd rather show cowardice and run.
Rest assured, the rest of the discussion and thread will move on without you.
SrirachaLimes1 votesUsually, taxing is done if you've helped your laner by ganking.
If your laner has backed and you push out the wave when it wouldn't have normally, that's bad for your laner. It's okay if you ganked them and they got a kill, but otherwise you're just taking their CS and hurting them.
Randomonium1 votesIn a similar vein, if we kill your opposing laner and we can take the tower don't spam ping me to retreat when I try to help you hard shove the wave. The tower gold will more than make up for the 3 cs I take so freaking chill.
Mr Fidori1 votes^this. Sometimes people don't know that for every time it's appropriate to freeze the wave, there's another time that it's appropriate to shove. If you're not making the right choice, then I'll make it for you.
Randomonium1 votesThis especially bugs me when I am playing a jungler who can take towers incredibly fast. I get this most often when I play Diana jungle. It like "dude, you do realize I can drop their tower from full health in less than 8 seconds right?" With towers being so paper thin and worth so much global gold right now there's absolutely no reason to not take a tower if you are able to without dying.
DazedOnlooker1 votesthere's absolutely no reason to not take a tower if you are able to without dying.
The response i usually (always) get from team mates who don't like when I'm beating on their tower, quickly taking it down because it's free as hell:
"Leave my tower alone. I wanna farm him(The enemy laner)"
entitledplayer2 votesThe response i usually (always) get from team mates who don't like when I'm beating on their tower, quickly taking it down because it's free as hell:
"Leave my tower alone. I wanna farm him(The enemy laner)"
I always listen and leave the tower be if that ally is already ahead, stomping the enemy. But if they are behind, i will be more inclined to ignore and take the tower anyway......
"Farming champions" is both a stupid and pointless reasoning.
When you have offensive pressure and power over a laner, you leave the tower up to further set him behind when you shove into it and roam on other lanes -- not because you want to pad your KDA and think your scoreboard is any excuse or reasoning on why you're fed and ahead;
Just because you're strong doesn't make your team strong -- All he has to do is roam on mid + bottom to make up the deficit if you're committing time into the "farm champions" bronze mentality -- And you roam so that you can limit how much he can do, in response to what options he has left to make a conducive game-winning impact;
Because if both of you see a 3v3 play of both bottoms and jungle going down and both tops TP with middle roam/TPs, the resulting damage and survivability to tank will add up based on who got there first and strong your offensive-and defensive power is as a unit, not just as any one single player:
If you are paper-mache and he's rock-solid, you "farming" him meant nothing: He's tanking your damage and peeling you from the backline and DPS, and will more than likely kill you with his team.
If you're diamond hard * and* hit like a truck because of the roam gold-swings you made happen after you killed him everytime, your team is more likely to be strong, and you're tanky enough to be unkillable on point and deal enough damage that you can focus-fire on front/backline, and your backline be able to reliable pop them when they dive in for picks off CC and vision.
Or, for the devil's advocate jerkasses who will ignore the sense I'm making:
TL;DR:
You need to kill top, shove the wave and kill middle + bottom + objectives -- Not waste time solely sitting top not affecting any other lane dichotomy because you find killing top amusing over helping your team become strong enough that if you die/get picked, they don't automatically lose teamfights, objectives and the game because the top/mid lane frontline/backline didn't want to group on time.
Penta Penguin1 votesIf you push a minion wave under the enemy tower, doesn't the wave 'reset' in the middle of the lane while having minions die to their tower and they lose gold? So the Jungler took gold but the enemy laner will lose gold too, especially if they can't last-hit under tower, some champs / players struggle.
Asyde1 votesOMG it frustrates me so much when laners do this. Usually ADCs are the worst offenders.
Bot lane or mid lane dies and the minions are damaging the turret while they are running back to lane. I go up to clear the wave off and/or freeze it and I get pinged to high hell and told to GTFO of their lane/cs.
Not only are they allowing minions to damage the turret, they are also WASTING valuable CS by letting the minions die to the tower rather than go to another teammate.
I literally stop ganking for them at that point. (but still counter gank to prevent un-necessary feeding.)
SoMNia1 votesYou're just taking gold that would otherwise disappear and protecting your tower. You don't have to care what the laner thinks, since it's their own fault they aren't there to cover it.
Çhåryzård1 votesIf they aren't there to take the cs then take it yourself. Why let that gold be wasted? They aren't there to take it anyways
Sniper 01 votesI ping when they're pushing the wave and push it past river... https://media.makeameme.org/created/savages-savages-everywhere.jpg
Malfini1 votesWhy do they even bother? It is better for a fellow team mate to get the CS instead of letting those go to waste.
