My monthly post about disgusting club tags

Barkley·Feb 2, 2018·79 votes·5,890 views

I'll keep it concise, I've made my point enough in previous posts. Its not a hard one to explain.

I CONSTANTLY see club tags with homophobic, racist, culturally insensitive, and hateful connotations. Probably in about 3-4 out of every 10 games, someone's got an offensive club tag. Pick a condemnable word, and I've seen it used as a club tag in one way or another.

If riot claims they have a zero tolerance stance on these types of behavior in chat, and in summoner names - why is it allowed in club tags? Futhermore, why do I have no option to report it in-game? I have to resort to using a third party screenshot app and navigate through an entire (poorly designed) support website to get things taken care of, and even then I get copy/paste generic responses and no guarantee anyone did anything about it.

Also, riot needs to step up their game as far as summoner name and club tag filtering. Its not hard to prevent things like N!gger and fa g0t. I'm a 400-level computer science student and I know how to do it, so I'd hope that professional game designers would have the same or better knowledge.

170 Comments

Warlord ScrapFeb 2, 201820 votes

report there name and write club tag in comments. In the mean time toughen up because the world aint rainbows and unicorns

BarkleyFeb 2, 20189 votes

I 100% promise you I'm a tougher person than you'll ever be, but people that bring that particular brand of hate into the world and hold hateful views deserve to be punished to the maximum extent of whatever authority they're under. Period.

Take your snowflake accusations and bring them to a place they're warranted, like these idiots arguing over whether "GGEZ" should be reportable/bannable. Go tell them about "how the world is." I'm well aware. I guarantee you I've seen more of this world than you have.

That is, unless you're trying to say you support racism/homophobia/cultural insensitivity. I mean... is that what you're saying?

MyAccountStolen1Feb 2, 201820 votes

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I 100% promise you I'm a tougher person than you'll ever be, but people that bring that particular brand of hate into the world and hold hateful views deserve to be punished to the maximum extent of whatever authority they're under. Period.

Take your snowflake accusations and bring them to a place they're warranted, like these idiots arguing over whether "GGEZ" should be reportable/bannable. Go tell them about "how the world is." I'm well aware. I guarantee you I've seen more of this world than you have.

That is, unless you're trying to say you support racism/homophobia/cultural insensitivity. I mean... is that what you're saying?

Let me get this straight.... You are tougher than I will ever be?... but you're worked up about club tags on the internet?

BTW, supporting something and being indifferent are not the same thing. Do I care if someone has a naughty club tag? Nope. Do I support beating up people soley based on race or sexual preference? Nope. Its not all or nothing snowflake!

Lothàrs EdgeFeb 2, 20188 votes

I don't doubt it.

You seem to think that by acting or being insensitive, it makes you tougher. I can't blame you though, this is North America after all.

If someone disagrees with the inconsistency of a policy, they should be to a degree, "worked up" over it.

Being edgy & non-caring isn't cool nor is it tough.

BarkleyFeb 2, 20186 votes

edgelords will be edgelords. Someday he'll personally experience hatred in a way that affects him directly, and he'll change his views. Until then, he doesn't have any reason to believe its horrible, and can poke fun at it from a nice safe distance because he's never had to experience it first hand, or probably even second-hand. He's probably too young to realize its nothing to joke about.

MuffledGarbageFeb 3, 20189 votes

I've been discriminated against in most ways possible.

For my sexuality, race, gender, religion, and my family history.

The entirety of the G.S.A wants to beat me up constantly so I have to stick around with my video-settings on my camera to make sure I have proof in case I AM attacked.

My Germanic heritage has gotten me called "racist Nazi" on several occasions.

My Protestant Christian beliefs have gotten me called an "Xenophobic, Jew-hating human Sh1tface"

My family history of having a lot of military members have gotten me called a "Mexican-hating, Black-hating, Chinese-hating A$$hat"

If people are gonna get THAT hurt over club names, yeah they should be removed.

The problem comes when, people AREN'T getting hurt over club names(which in quite a few cases, they aren't)

This makes your post(and others like it) look quite a lot like an over-reaction.

It's definitely a problem, but one that Riot has obviously been trying to fix because otherwise they wouldn't have set the "offensive summoner name" report option.

Your call to attention is definitely an overstated piece that isn't written well.

Riot's working on the problem, you should know this by now. If you still insist on over-reacting and not simply waiting for Riot to fix the problem, then get a giant collection of screenshots of the clubs you find and send them all to Riot's support at once so that WHEN that patch comes, all those clubs will be fixed.

If you're going to do something, please try and do it right...

ADC5LUTFeb 3, 20184 votes

Ye the point you missed is that there are entire swaths of people, cultures, race, etc. that experience discrimination every. fucking. day. Oh boohoo the straight white christian male was discriminated against a handful of times he OBVIOUSLY knows what its like to live it! The only snowflake here is the one who can't understand why people who experience discrimination on a daily basis don't want to see it in a game that has supposedly taken a hard stance against it. "B-b-but my first amendment rights of free speech!" Inciting violence/hate/discrimination/harrassment against others is not free speech, its hate speech and should be punished accordingly.

MuffledGarbageFeb 3, 20185 votes

The problem with disallowing hate-speech is that by creating a law(in a government setting) that makes hate-speech illegal, that also makes free-speech in itself illegal.

For example: American revolution.

If one said they were going to form a militia out loud in public in front of an officer, that person and anyone affiliated would be likely to be put into jail.

That type of speech was considered hate speech to the British while being Revolutionary and Patriotic to the 13 Colonies.

That's where the problem of free speech VS. hate speech comes in, who specifically decides and defines the rules of speech?

Leaving rules of speech vague allows for misuse of those rules. Ex: Person X and person Y are sitting side by side debating some topic about economics.

Person X supports one side and person Y supports the other.

Once person X or person Y feels like their argument won't be able to stand up to the other person's argument, they can simply state that the argument made was "hate speech" and thereby should disqualify that argument.

In other words, Making rules against hate speech in which specific people have to define it by themselves allows free speech to no longer be free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xGekzN6EuM

Here's ^ a video that does a much better job of articulating my point.

SyrdonFeb 3, 20183 votes

And a law that makes murder illegal also makes freedom itself illegal.

MuffledGarbageFeb 3, 20181 votes

The point I made(which was better explained in the video) was that by encompassing "All Free speech" except "Hate speech" can allow for abuse of whatever rule/law was made.

If there was a law banning the use of "Hateful words" in which anyone found using a "Hateful word" would be punished by up to 2 years in prison, the problem arises when one can simply say that the law in question is using "Hateful words" whether or not it IS; that law would be forced, by it's own rulings, to repeal itself.

The fact of the matter remains that, WHO defines the exact line between Hate speech?

We can't simply say "let the majority choose" because at some point the majority will be biased in one way or another.

The best way to fix it is to let Riot fix the problem as in this case they are League's "government"

SyrdonFeb 3, 20182 votes

Your point was "if we make laws against hatespeech, we destroy freespeech". Well, I just told you that the point of every single law is to restrict freedom.

I don't know about USA, but in Europe, laws against hate speech exist. If you say in public "all xxx people must die", you expose yourself to a big fine and even prison.

Of course, what we call "offensive" is very subjective, and that's why judges exist or, in this case, moderators.

MuffledGarbageFeb 3, 20181 votes

Uhh... since I made the post you responded to...

Does that not mean that I decide what points I made?

Besides that, In USA there are laws against hate-crimes. Crimes done specifically to people because they are X (X = gender, Race, Sexuality, etc.)

In Europe, the laws only defend the most obvious of speaking. One such example is the one you gave where saying "All X people should die" in public will cause a fine and prison.

That law doesn't stop the actual racists whom hate X people and will simply use code-words or equally degrading terms for X people living in Europe and it doesn't stop people whom will discriminate towards X people.

However, in USA we have "Equal opportunity" laws which makes employers have to give people the same treatment in the hiring process no matter what they are. These laws have made it impossible for business owners to discriminate against even CUSTOMERS without taking a big lawsuit.

Europe doesn't have this type of Law and is still susceptible to discrimination based on X.

Now assuming that we have a Cake company named "Bob's Cakes"(for the sake of simplicity) and we have a gay couple of Martin and Mark.

In USA if Bob's Cakes decides not to serve Martin and Mark cake(Based on them being gay), Bob's cakes takes a giant lawsuit from Martin and Mark as well as loses their business license(in some documented cases this has been true). Even if Bob's Cakes specifically said they didn't know that Martin and Mark were gay, they would still be punished(albeit probably keeping the business license but losing most customers in the process) because it's able to be deduced that Martin and Mark are gay.

In Europe, If Bob's Cakes decides not to serve Martin and Mark cake(Based on them being gay), Bob's cakes gets a bad review on Yelp, Tons of angry protesters outside, but next to no legal action taken if they don't specifically say that it was because Martin and Mark were gay.

That's all hypothetical based on some public case files related to similar situations of hate speech, but it's still a fairly accurate portrayal.

What's all this mean?

We need to be careful if we regulate Free speech because at some point it might not be free anymore

SyrdonFeb 3, 20183 votes

???

You obviously don't know about Europe's laws it seems. Not only Bob's company would be ruined, but Bob would also be sentenced to jail.

And of course laws doesn't prevent crimes, that doesn't mean that laws are useless. Also you don't seem to realize that words are not "just words". Words kill, and one of the reasons crimerate is 3 to 4 times higher in the US than in any europeean country is that you think "hate is ok, just grow a thicker skin".

SyrdonFeb 3, 20182 votes

Oh, the famous argument "x don't kill people, only people kill people", this is really America :D Let's give an atomic bomb to everyone then, because atomic bombs don't kill people by themselves.

I won't detail much because my english level doesn't permit it, but just try to think for a second. Words have much, much more power than any act. The world is ruled by words, they're the foundations of any thing you can do or even think. Why do you think propaganda is even more important than guns ? Why do you think good marketing is more important than good product ?

You have no clue how humanity and societies works, it's almost funny (and it would be if your reasonning didn't have such dramatic consequences). You have to realize that humans ARE weak, and stupid (I mean, hell, look at your president !). And this is exactly why laws exist.

Now you can stay ignorant until one of the daily mass shootings (which are one of the many consequences of hatred) in the US affects you, or grow up now.

SyrdonFeb 3, 20182 votes

You completly missed the point.

I hope you'll study reasoning and logic one day. Reread this entire conversation after that.

Votable JesterFeb 3, 20182 votes

Murder is a very specific charge though. Yes all laws restrict freedom, but they are supposed to be superseded by our Constitution, which guarantees certain freedoms, including the freedom of speech.

The only instances in which free speech can (and should) be inhibited is in situations where it causes physical harm to another, such as shouting "fire" in a crowded theater (often result in people being stampeded) when there is no fire.

SyrdonFeb 3, 20182 votes

See my responses to MuffledGarbage. It's funny to see how US people underestimate how impactful words are.

If you let hatred grow, the only thing you get is a society with the highest (by far) crime rate of any developped country and sexist/racist/homophobic president.

Votable JesterFeb 3, 20182 votes

You know it's incredible how much you underestimate how impactful freedom is. If everyone was just put in chains and strapped to their work station, murder rates would plummet.

Maybe we just see freedom of speech as more valuable than you do because we do see how impactful words (and the restriction of them) can be.

SyrdonFeb 3, 20181 votes

Of course freedom is unvaluable. But total freedom is called anarchy, and you don't want to live in that (or maybe you do ?).

If you understand how impactful words are, you should understand that they must be regulated.

And there's a middle ground between anarchy and "everyone put in chains". In european societies, we consider that one's freedom stops where the other's begins.

Votable JesterFeb 3, 20182 votes

Yes that is my opinion as well. I just don't think people have the right to not be offended. The words themselves do not cause harm, and unless they are inciting violence or causing a panic, they should be allowed.

Vyr ThirkuFeb 3, 20182 votes

Gonna put this here, since it seems an oft forgotten part of the Constitution.

Rights are only valid if they don't infringe on someone else's rights.

I'm like 99% sure that racial/religious/etc hatred, bigotry, and violence are all infringing on rights. And therefore are not rights.

SihariFeb 3, 20187 votes

And here you are, discrmiminating him by saying his opinion and experiencees dont matter because of his sexuality, religion, race and gender... Very well done! Everyone who uses the "straight white male" argument is exactly as bad as a person who discriminates woman or black people. And I know you dont mean it that way, but you still dont help by fighting discrimination with another form of dicrimination.

KaisadiIIaFeb 3, 20181 votes

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SihariFeb 3, 20185 votes

Well, you guessed wrong. While it is true that some people have to deal with more discrimination than others, it shouldnt be an excuse to say that other forms of discrimination dont count. Being confronted with discrimination even once is bad enough. We have to fight ALL forms of discrimination and shouldnt just focus on the victims who are most present in the media!

PurejoyceFeb 3, 20185 votes

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Ye the point you missed is that there are entire swaths of people, cultures, race, etc. that experience discrimination every. fucking. day. Oh boohoo the straight white christian male was discriminated against a handful of times he OBVIOUSLY knows what its like to live it! The only snowflake here is the one who can't understand why people who experience discrimination on a daily basis don't want to see it in a game that has supposedly taken a hard stance against it. "B-b-but my first amendment rights of free speech!" Inciting violence/hate/discrimination/harrassment against others is not free speech, its hate speech and should be punished accordingly.

While I think muffledgarb exaggerates in his posts, it's pretty laughable how you mention he can't be hated "because he's a straight white christian male". Now your post where you claim you understand the problem is just pure hypocrisy and a great showcase of human stupidity.

MuffledGarbageFeb 3, 20182 votes

To be honest, most of my balance-related posts I exaggerate more than I should.

This, unfortunately, is not one of those exaggerations.

so OOF away the problems with me fam

PurejoyceFeb 3, 20181 votes

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so OOF away the problems with me fam

"oof away"? what? "Problems with you"? I don't know you, I said it based on this thread alone, get off your high horse, "fam".

MuffledGarbageFeb 3, 20182 votes

You inferred that you read my posts very consistently.

If you did you would have noticed what I stated as a common meme of mine.

The roblox death sound plus the "Dab the haters away" Plus the "Let go of yo' problems" memes combined form "OOF away the problems with me" meme.

Probably more complicated than it's worth continuing but whatever I guess.

Warlord ScrapFeb 2, 201810 votes

Tougher than me thats a laugh considering ive been to a county were theyll kill a women because she was raped because she "didnt fight back hard enough and brings dishonor to here family". That same country throughs gays off the roof. If na is so insensensitive go somewere else i promise there way more insenstive.

Im the snowflake yet im not the one making a monthly post over club tags. Your also unable to research even how to properly deal with it and cry on the boards so clearly your incapable of making serious thoughts.

Brank of hate into the world. Sorry to break it to you but the worlds a bad place.

TheGoomyGamerFeb 3, 20182 votes

Murderers existing doesn't make physical assault OK. Just because hate and discrimination happens on a much larger scale in some places doesnt mean small-scale hate shouldn't be punished.

BlakiepugFeb 3, 20183 votes

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report there name and write club tag in comments. In the mean time toughen up because the world aint rainbows and unicorns

That doesn't make this behavior okay, especially in the real world. Try going into work and calling people slur words and let me know how it works out. If you haven't experienced discrimination yourself, then maybe you should think twice before telling someone else not to let it affect them.

Daddy BraumFeb 2, 201817 votes

The other day I was playing an aram Although I cant remember the 5 letter tag off hand I do remember the club name was something like "Islamic state terrorists" and I was trying to figure out how the system even allowed that

BarkleyFeb 2, 201818 votes

I'm fairly certain there is quite literally ZERO moderation on club tags. None.

Daddy BraumFeb 3, 20182 votes

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I'm fairly certain there is quite literally ZERO moderation on club tags. None.

There really should be because there are some really bad ones like literal racial slurs with an accented letter to pass through in noticed

Slice n Dice emFeb 3, 201811 votes

Why is this guy even getting up-voted? It's because of people like this, there is more racism, homophobia etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

The more you talk about this kind of stuff the more it propagates. 10-15 years ago people were way much tolerant, have you seen Chappelle show? The more you show tenacity the quicker these type of things wither down. And this guy had the audacity to tell the other guy that he is more tougher person than the other guy will ever be.

Yesterday a gay guy was crying and being annoying on a joke in Hashinshin's reddit thread and even the other gays thought that person was getting worked up over nothing.

It's because of people like these that there is so much hate right now. I don't like xyz I should create a monthly hate thread regarding xyz, tomorrow I will be against abcd so I create a hate thread against that. What a load of bs.

GinsanchouFeb 3, 20186 votes

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Why is this guy even getting up-voted? It's because of people like this, there is more racism, homophobia etc.

The more you talk about this kind of stuff the more it propagates. 10-15 years ago people were way much tolerant, have you seen Chappelle show? The more you show tenacity the quicker these type of things wither down. And this guy had the audacity to tell the other guy that he is more tougher person than the other guy will ever be.

Yesterday a gay guy was crying and being annoying on a joke in Hashinshin's reddit thread and even the other gays thought that person was getting worked up over nothing.

It's because of people like these that there is so much hate right now. I don't like xyz I should create a monthly hate thread regarding xyz, tomorrow I will be against abcd so I create a hate thread against that. What a load of bs.

It makes me sad that more people don't see that. Buddha's make more friends than Warlods

Beacon AcademyFeb 3, 20189 votes

For all the people trying to argue with this guy. Its no use. He'll just make another thread on the same topic.
Honestly, for people like OP, it would just be better if Riot gave us an option to see club tags (Default Off for new players so they'll never get the chance to get offended over club names unless they actually turn it on) because like others have said... You can't stop people. If they want to do it, they will do it.

BarkleyFeb 3, 20189 votes

I don't see why anyone would argue against removing racist/homophobic/culturally insensitive material.

shrug

Beacon AcademyFeb 3, 20187 votes

I'm starting to think either:

You choose not to see things from other views
You're legit trolling. (Not even a response to my second point above)

Jad51Feb 3, 20188 votes

Since you seem to be getting crap about this post.... I wanted to say I totally agree with this. While the internet is not a safe place, and the world itself isn't safe and "rainbows and unicorns" for all, we can still try to put all that aside and play a game. Why should I go and play league and escape from the world around me and play a game that has no political ties or ties of any kind to the real world, and still see all this crap?

Now, I understand that I'm not forced to talk about it and I can just move on. Although I don't understand how people can try to say we should stop being racist and stop caring about gender, and yet we still can't say "maybe we should screen club tags" without people thinking that "oh, you're just weak (or etc)".

I may not have put that in the best of words, and while people may have other opinions, I am putting my opinion out there. Now down/up vote... or whatever people do here on the boards.

Pika FoxFeb 2, 20184 votes

Just report them? Seriously, id be more pissed if riot decided to try and make some better filter for club tags to try and snuff these all out at creation given half the time filters dont work right and limit things weirdly (hell is an ok word to a filter but hello is blocked.... gg) Not to mention filters never work. It doesnt matter what behavior you try to filter out, people will just find a way around said filter. They always do. Especially if you try to filter out ERPers.

Just report them and it will get dealt with most likely relatively swiftly.

BarkleyFeb 2, 20185 votes

I do report them. Every time.

However, I feel as though the responsibility shouldn't ONLY fall in the lap of the players. It shouldn't be ONLY my responsibility (and other players) to monitor this kind of thing through end-game reports. I'm not being paid. I'm not employed by riot. This is not my game, I'm not in charge of moderating it. I'm given that tool as a bonus so that I can ASSIST riot in preventing toxicity in THEIR game.

The overall responsibility falls on riot, and in that regard I feel they're falling SEVERELY short. The existence of such a club tag is proof in and of itself that the current system has failed.

Riot wants to appear as if they stand on a pedestal waving a gavel with fire and brimstone in regards to hate speech, claiming "Zero Tolerance" this, and "Will not stand" that, and yet there is seemingly ZERO moderation of it when it comes to clan tags. You cannot hold that kind of stance with certain things and not others, and still have it be effective. I'm calling precisely that into question with this post (and all the ones previous to this).

Pika FoxFeb 2, 20186 votes

Dude, youre literally complaining about nothing. Theres nothing riot can realistically do to stop it altogether. Filters get circumvented, so regardless of whatever they do theyll end up having the same people fall through the cracks because theyve proven determined to fall through the cracks, and you also run the major risk of limiting users who want to use the already dwindling club name and tag system to make a clan tag that isnt offensive.

The only person attempting to stand on a pedestal here is you. If you dont understand the technical reasons why what youre complaining about is literally impractical at best, then either do some research on the systems youre complaining about or just stop.

BarkleyFeb 2, 20185 votes

If I - a currently attending college student who is still learning how to program - can implement such filters in barebones basic ass no-nothing websites for no other purpose than to fill a project requirement, I'd expect professional-level programmers to have the same or superior skills.

It's not in any way impractical, nor is it even remotely difficult. It is sub-entry level coding. An 8 year old with his mother's laptop could implement it if you gave him enough time and direction.

If you're going to tell people to educate themselves - you may want to be educated yourself, first.

This is simple validation through RegEx. Elementary stuff. You can find chapters on it in any rudimentary coding textbook. You can probably even find excerpts for it in a "Coding for dummies" book aimed at casual hobbyist programmers. It is ridiculously easy, just requires a few minutes of reading and maybe 1 or 2 practice runs, and you've basically got it.

I DO understand the technical reasons of why it can EASILY be implemented. Do you?

What I dont understand is the reasons its NOT implemented. I'm not sure how screening club names for blatantly toxic words hurts creativity in any way - unless you consider using racially charged club names as "creativity."

Pika FoxFeb 2, 20186 votes

Clearly you dont know enough....

Ok, how do you propose to filter the names? Are you going to create a database with every possible word that is offensive, and then also every single possible substitute people may use for the individual letters? Go through the probably billions of different combinations, if not more, of characters possible in a club tag and filter out each possible combination individually? No. Too much time, not feasible.

Are you going to create a database of prohibited words and add in possible substitutions for letters? People will get around this, even in your example.

Not to mention what are you going to do when the prohibited word is part of a larger word? What if the string of characters that makes the prohibited word shows up across multiple different words, but is not used in a way that is offensive? What about if people shorten the word to abbreviate it but leave it in such a way that you could deduce its intent? Or people that split 2 words in half and swap parts around to get around the filter.

Seriously; no matter WHAT you do, your filter will either be ineffective at stopping people who really want to get around it, or be as ineffective and remove the ability for people to make non offensive names and trip on stupid things (hell is a part of hello, so if you trip solely on string of characters hello is blocked if hell is, but if you dont trip based on string you can just add another letter to the offensive word and get by it)

Seriously, between your ignorance and constant uses of logical fallacy to try and paint people as somehow supporting racism for telling you your complaints are wholly unwarranted, i cant tell which ruins your argument more.

BarkleyFeb 2, 20182 votes

The point is not to catch everything. The point is to at least catch SOMETHING, though - and currently that system does not exist, or is at least insufficient.

In the current system, unless you actually type in the n-word precisely, you're fine. (I'd type it out but it just gets censored. You know what I'm talking about)

However, things like n!gger, niger, n_gger, n-gger, etc are fine. These are not hard to catch, and would require minimal effort to eliminate. Its as simple as /n.gger/ in regular expression. Thats it. its truly that easy.

The only words it would eliminate that aren't necessary would be things like nogger, nagger, nugger, etc.... and oh well. A worthwhile price.

Pika FoxFeb 2, 20186 votes

So youre eliminating an entire country and a legitimate word (niger and nagger respectively) for.... what? A system that will still get worked around? Face it, your system doesnt work, nor do your statements. You listed 5 things youd have to block manually, out of thousands if not more youd need to manually add, praying you dont miss a single one or else barkley will come to the boards and be mad.

Seriously, face it, if a multi million dollar company isnt using your idea yet when you admitted you have rudimentary knowledge in the field /at best/, theres probably a reason they havnt yet.

Just report them like the rest of us and move on.

BarkleyFeb 2, 20182 votes

I don't want them to use my system. I'm not expecting them to, nor would I even want credit if they did (which they won't) I'm simply stating how it COULD be done.

I'm proactively offering solutions to something I see as a problem. The solutions I'm offering may not be 100% effective, and I never claimed them to be - all I'm saying is that more could be done to solve the problem than what's currently being done. There's nothing wrong with that. The only reason I brought up the regex solution in the first place is because you set out to question my knowledge on the subject matter - of which I have sufficient knowledge. Am I an expert? No. Never claimed to be. But I'm also not a complete and total noob at it, and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there ARE possibilities for the system to be better than it is right now. That is my only aim here - to shed light on the fact that the current system is insufficient, and could be better - SHOULD be better.

I don't know why that bothers you so much, or why you feel the need to be so combative about it.

I also already told you that I do report them, but you seem to be stuck on your attempts to make that point.

If all you're going to do is just piss and moan and shoot down anything that's said, kindly fuck off. The points I'm making are in an effort to make a more enjoyable experience for players - there's nothing wrong with that and certainly no reason to argue against it. Who doesn't want a less toxic community? Why would anyone NOT want that?

So what's the point in hanging around shooting down someone's ideas for making things better just because they're not up to your specifications?

Would you really argue that the current system is effective? Sufficient? You're totally ok with how incredibly easy it is to circumvent?

Or would you argue that the system is obviously flawed, and an effort to make it better would be welcomed by the community? I'm not saying it has to be 100% perfect and catch every instance of every word, but there is certainly AMPLE room for improvement.

I'm here to argue the second point. How or when or why it gets implemented isn't my concern, but at least I fucking tried. At least I offered something constructive. All you're doing is standing in the way, being a buzzkill nay-sayer. You're not helping anything. You're not accomplishing anything.

I won't entertain any further comments from you, unless you've got something constructive to say about the issue at hand. If you want to loiter around someone's post just bashing and dismissing everything that's said while offering nothing constructive of your own - go somewhere else.

Pika FoxFeb 2, 20186 votes

Yeah, at this point its clear youre just trying to be professionally offended and upset. Ive stated already that the solutions you propose are flawed and that no solution is going to ever meet your criteria without essentially gutting the experience to nigh unusability, yet you wont get it that you literally cant just put some words in a box and say "stop these" or anything similar and have it work.

At best you can only get the clear and obvious shit and for all else leave to player reports, which is likely already done. People are going to be dicks and flame and use the racial slurs regardless of whether or not you put something in place to stop them because thats the type of person you are. You dont want to then create a system that they will avoid anyway and limits people who arent being offensive as well.

You arent trying to make the game a better place; youre just looking to complain about something that upsets you without regard for the impact your "solution" or attempt at fixing your complaint would have for things in general outside of the dicks that everyone here agree deserve a ban.

Vyr ThirkuFeb 3, 20183 votes

I see stuff like "BloMe" "N3GRO" "urGay" and "F*GGS" (Asterisk = A) basically all the time.

There's way more than that, but I just woke up and it was all I could remember off the bat.

It's very annoying and makes me think so much less of the people I see it on.