Punishment tiers don't decay if you arent playing
the reason i say this is a problem. is it forces reforming players to continue to play while they're upset about their punishment., when they should really be taking a break from league, which can result in further tilt and more punishments.
Imperial Pandaa2 votesExcept if it did decay simply off time, then people would just play smurfs for x amount of time while waiting for it to decay on their main. It would be more of a problem that could be abused for toxic players.
I would like to find clarification, but if you need games to lower the penalty, consider playing 100 bot games. I would suggest checking if bot game count for lowering tiers or not though. Otherwise, I would suggest sticking to some mode/modes you don't care how it goes. (3v3, ARAM, RGM.)
I do agree they should take a break, but if you even want to keep your skill level, you need practice/play anyways. Time away would cause "rust".
scazzman1 votes[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4mjOwL9R,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-11T17:24:16.791+0000)
Except if it did decay simply off time, then people would just play smurfs for x amount of time while waiting for it to decay on their main. It would be more of a problem that could be abused for toxic players.
I would like to find clarification, but if you need games to lower the penalty, consider playing 100 bot games. I would suggest checking if bot game count for lowering tiers or not though. Otherwise, I would suggest sticking to some mode/modes you don't care how it goes. (3v3, ARAM, RGM.)
I do agree they should take a break, but if you even want to keep your skill level, you need practice/play anyways. Time away would cause "rust".
as far as actually playing off the restriction i agree with you. but forcing players who are actually trying to reform into playing despite being tilted is a recipe for disaster
ModThe Djinn1 votesas far as actually playing off the restriction i agree with you. but forcing players who are actually trying to reform into playing despite being tilted is a recipe for disaster
The problem is that there's no other way to check that they HAVE reformed. The system needs data to judge whether or not someone has reformed, and the only way to gather that data is to see them behaving in-game. How would Riot have any idea their behavior has improved otherwise?
scazzman1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4mjOwL9R,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-11T19:48:23.343+0000)
The problem is that there's no other way to check that they HAVE reformed. The system needs data to judge whether or not someone has reformed, and the only way to gather that data is to see them behaving in-game. How would Riot have any idea their behavior has improved otherwise?
and this is the problem, riot and the community doesnt want reform, they want "toxic" players to become "like them" a lot of punished players myself included simply want nothing more then to play the game and not be bombarded with chat restrictions and bans, i had to uninstall my game because im afraid that if i play il get permabanned. which is essentially the same thing. hopefully riot will eventually see that their behavior system causes more problems then it actually fixes and il be able to return. i have not had this problem EVER on any other game, simply because league of legends is the only game in existence which will ban you for your chat when you dont even swear
ModThe Djinn1 votes{quoted}and this is the problem, riot and the community doesnt want reform
I mean, I'm ALL for players reforming, as you can see from my comments in any number of threads about people wanting tips to actually reform.
League also isn't the only game that will do that. I've seen World of Warcraft bans for abuse, Guns of Icarus bans for abuse, Team Fortress 2 bans for abuse, and many others. You CAN abuse players without resorting to derogatory language or curse words, and I personally think it's a good things that more communities are beginning to take stands against casual abuse of other players.
scazzman1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4mjOwL9R,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-11T20:04:12.101+0000)
I mean, I'm ALL for players reforming, as you can see from my comments in any number of threads about people wanting tips to actually reform.
League also isn't the only game that will do that. I've seen World of Warcraft bans for abuse, Guns of Icarus bans for abuse, Team Fortress 2 bans for abuse, and many others. You CAN abuse players without resorting to derogatory language or curse words, and I personally think it's a good things that more communities are beginning to take stands against casual abuse of other players.
Ive never once been banned on wow. And i use the exact same language i do on league if not worse. Because blizzard has a "line" . The line in league of legends is dictated by the people who report you
Imperial Pandaa1 votesas far as actually playing off the restriction i agree with you. but forcing players who are actually trying to reform into playing despite being tilted is a recipe for disaster
Maybe they just need to change their method for tilting?
I fall into the category of verbal tilt. If I see a bad move or even if someone flames me, I verbally respond. I am sometimes tempted to type my response, and may still do, but i will delete it instead of sending it. Had a Twitch recently that kept getting snared by a Zyra and engaging at bad times, at one point he even thought the Zyra was me (I was Lulu), and tried to duel the lucian thinking I was there. Instead of typing responses to him, I simply said in my empty room, "What are you doing, you bloody idjit rat?" Or the WW that engaged when both the mid and top said not to for a moment. "Why did you just try to~~ let~~ ult in?(Stupid macbook tries to autocorrect.) It is a 3v5 you idiot." (Yes, my toxicity is so bad xD. I don't cuss team mates for stupid moves, only myself.)
But the idea to play off the restriction, even while tilted, is better suited for something relaxing. I really wish ARURF was up more. Even though I typically am on a bad team (meaning the enemy has 3/5 op urf champs to our 1) I can have fun and not worry about the results.
You are right though, playing while tilted is risky. Perhaps a break before playing off the damage would be beneficial.
Jo0o1 votesWell, they're not really FORCED to continue playing... they can always take a break. The punishment won't decay during that break, but perhaps that's what's best for them.
Given the choice between punished players being encouraged to simply smurf during their punishments OR risk tilting them by keeping them on their chat-restricted mains, I think the latter is the safer choice. Do you have a third option?
scazzman1 votesWell, they're not really FORCED to continue playing... they can always take a break. The punishment won't decay during that break, but perhaps that's what's best for them.
Given the choice between punished players being encouraged to simply smurf during their punishments OR risk tilting them by keeping them on their chat-restricted mains, I think the latter is the safer choice. Do you have a third option?
make them play off the restriction, but after it's over, allow and even encourage the player to take a break from league. the problem is after a punishement, people get paranoid they might get reported again, which often ironically. results in them getting reported
Casual Anne1 votesNo one is going to reform by not playing. if they can't just not type horrible things in chat then they truly have an issue they need to work on. It's not hard to just not be toxic. There's muting and just focusing on your own gameplay.
scazzman1 votesNo one is going to reform by not playing. if they can't just not type horrible things in chat then they truly have an issue they need to work on. It's not hard to just not be toxic. There's muting and just focusing on your own gameplay.
if it "werent that hard" people wouldnt be toxic. thats like telling an alcoholic "just dont drink alcohol"
Casual Anne1 votesBeing toxic isn't a condition. It's literally just stopping yourself from trying to make others feel bad. All you have to do is not type. Is it that hard to be a decent human being?
scazzman1 votesBeing toxic isn't a condition. It's literally just stopping yourself from trying to make others feel bad. All you have to do is not type. Is it that hard to be a decent human being?
being negative in chat doesnt make people "a bad human being" and for some people. not typing is easier said then done, ESPECIALLY if theyre being provoked
Casual Anne1 votesLearn how to control your temper. You are judged on your words, not theres. There is a mute button for this very reason. And yes being an asshole in chat does make you a pretty cruddy human being.
BigNasty30011 votesYou sound pretty judgemental. In my book, that makes you a cruddy human being. Anyone who prances around like they are perfect, while judging others harshly, is THE WORST kind of human.
But who can blame you, your posts read like a middle school girl wrote them. You'll grow up one day.
Casual Anne1 votesI know controlling your anger is hard but maybe you'll learn to one day c:
Remember this is a video game which is supposed to be fun. Try to have some fun :D
BigNasty30012 votesLOL. you read that as anger? More like condescension.
Anger is a natural human emotion, unless you're a sociopath. Are you a sociopath? Try to speak without emotes when you respond, as they tend to make you look like a preteen.
ModPeriscope1 votesI don't see why this should change. Think if a person just went from one smurf to another so their accounts would remain in good standing.
RallerenP1 votesThe point would be to never be toxic though. Sure they should take a break, but they can take a break, while they are on their break nothing will happen to the account since its not playing any games, if they come back and are toxic, then the break didn't work and then they get a more serious punishment, sometimes they even get a permanent break from playing on their account.
YerroFever1 votesYou're going to be salty about whatever punishment you get no matter which account you play.
So you either play your main account with the intent to reform or you play a smurf and continue to be toxic and keep getting more punishments on each subsequent smurf until you can't ever play lvl 30's again because you're afraid of permabans on every account you play...
If the punished player can't deal with having to treat other players like human beings, then that toxic player doesn't belong in the league community.
Phant0mShad0w7771 votesThey need to re-build the punishment system they are too fast to punish people and they should NEVER punish both sides. The mods seem to think that we should be treated like small children and both sides of ANY argument should be punished no matter who was in the wrong or started it.
That is like the police punishing the rape victim because "she was involved" in the crime.
The mods refuse to put the effort in to finding out who was trolling or harassing and would rather use a computer algorythem that automatically decides who was being bad in chat by words used and often punishes both sides of the argument because they don't want to put the effort in to judge fairly or sort reports.
The punishments are WAY too harsh and if they are going to have harsh punishments they need to have a way to be forgiven after so many games of "good behavior" because face it everyone has a game or two once in a while where there is that one champion that is ruining it for everyone and toxic in chat.
They need to have punishments that affect game play rather than chat because face it no one cares about chat unless they are trolling or really into talking while playing. With the voice chat no one has to worry about text chat now either.
I feel that they should NEVER punish both sides unless both sides are being toxic. Most of the time there is a troll or toxic player that STARTED the problem and tilted the other people on the team.
Punishments should affect game-play so if your toxic you don't have as much fun and eventually it's not fun to play the game any more if your going to be toxic or harass people and you leave.
trolls, cheaters and toxic players are all doing it because they enjoy making others mad or feeling like they are winning if you make it not fun anymore they will go play somwhere else and you don't have to deal with them.