Why was dunkey, a league player who was super toxic (but actually good) so right about league? Yet riot banned him and never did a damn thing about trolls...
(this isnt defending dunkeys actions, moreover the fact that he was right about what causes people to be toxic, and riot shouldve taken a few pointers from him)
Sarutobi6 votesBecause two wrongs dont make a right. He was toxic and had been known for breaking the rules constantly. If you watched his video you could see he was almost always Chat Restricted. Because of this it was pretty obvious he wasnt going to reform, plus it was only a 2 week ban. You also assume they dont punish people who troll despite not understanding one is easier to handle than the other. Finding a toxic person is easy. All you need to do is look in the chat and chats from previous games. Whereas a troll might not look like a troll and could just be someone who had a bad game, or is new to the game. To flat out ban someone for not being good would lead to basically every single person at one point in their league career to have been ban which is wrong.
Plus you are defending him. You are basically saying because he was good (and to an extent a content creator you enjoy watching) he should have gotten away with it, basically implying he should be treated differently than everyone else. Riot does run like that, and if anything puts people like him at a higher standard because of their influence on the community and its obviously something Riot and the community does not want. We dont want Trolls, Feeders, AFK, or Toxic. But sadly we dont live in a perfect world where we can easily identify when someone is going to act out, or break the rules. Nor should it be acceptable to break the rules just because someone did something worse, or started it first. This doesnt work in the real world and it isnt going to work here!
Arcade Andrew1 votesactually I am not defending him, but the fact that in the above said video he gets paired with video proof of a malphite intentionally feeding, and he calls that guy some suggestive names, he points out that the ONLY reason he ever was and or is toxic (when its not for comedic purposes in his videos) is when somebody trolls or ruins the game, and riot still has only made like 10% progress tword fixing the problem with trolls.
Dont get me wrong Im all for punishing toxic people, when they deserve it, but riot needs to stop focusing on people calling each other "fucking %%%got feeders" and instead look at the players who go 0/10 by 5 minutes in.
I understand that some people will end up doing badly, which Ive experienced myself in a recent nunu game, in which I got five dragons and rift herald before the enemy team started winning, and my team blamed ME for getting dragons being the reason we lost. I just muted and reported them afterwords, but they werent the best either, they did some terrible plays that I WISH I couldve called them out on since they were so inclined to tell me that turrets and dragons dont matter. but i didnt because like you said two wrongs dont make a right, and they way riot goes, somebody playing horribly in ranked, is 100% fine, but the minute they become "toxic" BAN
Sarutobi1 votes[{quoted}](name=Arcade Andrew,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3rRAPmyK,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-02-12T15:52:13.839+0000)
actually I am not defending him, but the fact that in the above said video he gets paired with video proof of a malphite intentionally feeding, and he calls that guy some suggestive names, he points out that the ONLY reason he ever was and or is toxic (when its not for comedic purposes in his videos) is when somebody trolls or ruins the game, and riot still has only made like 10% progress tword fixing the problem with trolls.
Dont get me wrong Im all for punishing toxic people, when they deserve it, but riot needs to stop focusing on people calling each other "fucking %%%got feeders" and instead look at the players who go 0/10 by 5 minutes in.
I understand that some people will end up doing badly, which Ive experienced myself in a recent nunu game, in which I got five dragons and rift herald before the enemy team started winning, and my team blamed ME for getting dragons being the reason we lost. I just muted and reported them afterwords, but they werent the best either, they did some terrible plays that I WISH I couldve called them out on since they were so inclined to tell me that turrets and dragons dont matter. but i didnt because like you said two wrongs dont make a right, and they way riot goes, somebody playing horribly in ranked, is 100% fine, but the minute they become "toxic" BAN
Except they do go after those people. What you dont seem to understand is that Toxic people are easier to find than potential feeders. It could be someone new to the game, or it could just be a bad game (bad match up, or constantly getting ganked) one of the best strategies for this game is to tilt your opponent. So if they ban basically every single person who got even double digits deaths you are basically asking for every single person who has ever played this game to have been punished at some point. And that would be horrible to us. People have bad games and its not so easy to identify if it is a bad game or if they are actually feeding intentionally, you make a wrong decision and ban innocent people why would people want to play your game?
Both are things Riot, and the community doesnt want it the game, but unless you have some way to identify it before it actually ruins games we just have to wait till Riot can think up something. Also remember that just like every other type of punishment it needs to be consistent. Its sad, but again this goes back to having a bad game. If they arent always doing it, the system can only assume it was just a bad game. its the same with toxic chat. No one gets punished for being toxic for one bad game (unless its something severe) this is why they try to give you 3 evidence with chatlogs, but there could possible be a lot more evidence that they cant provide right off the bat because it would take issue with their servers/emails.
All in all just follow the rules. Dunkey didnt and he was punished for it. it was his decision to do so, and he only has himself to blame!
Arcade Andrew1 votesThats my point with the system though: riot goes after toxicity FIRST, when they should be looking at why somebody is toxic.
for example if im in a game and somebody goes mid and continually dies 10 times then leaves the game and calls my entire team fucking cockcumguzzling whores, its safe to say my entire team will want to curse him out, and tell him to shut his %%%got feeding ass up.
and the four players in which who cursed him out, wouldnt be offended by each other, and dont report each other only him.
but then he reports them and because they have had a few bad games in a row where they dealt with several DIFFERENT PLAYERS just like the guy feeding and cursed them out, they get a chat ban, but the feeder, never fed before and that was his first game of intentionally doing that, never gets punished for ruining that game.
Thats the problem with focusing on players being toxic, if riot instead looked at each individual game and punished players for each individual game, based on a replay of it, chat logs, actions etc. thered be a lot less toxic players because youd be weeding out feeders for exact games, even if it just one
ALSO q QOL change Ive always had in mind for ranked games only: If you go on tilt and lose way to many games in a row and or do terrible in sed games, or continually perform lower than a B grade in champ mastery in ranked, you get banned from playing ranked games.
you can only get back into ranked via winning a certain amount of games (can be any game mode non custom but you have to win and do well, so spamming aram matches wont work that well)
that and you block on newly reworked or released champs from ranked until a new patch comes out for them. (never live test something in ranked) and prevent the usage of champs below mastery level 2 in ranked or something like that.
those ideas come because most of the games i lose are ruined due to -autofill trolls -leavers -first time "XXX"'ers -players on extreme tilt -players who do poorly and shouldnt be in ranked to begin with
MissingKayo2 votesThere is no valid reason to be toxic. No one can make you toxic except yourself.
Arcade Andrew1 votesthe point isnt about finding a valid reason to be a dick, the point is a person who is a nice guy, wont be a dick, unless somebody is an absolute idiot ruining something for them.
also some people deserve to be told they are fucking morons.
MissingKayo1 votesWrong.
That is not an excuse.
And no, there are no people that ever deserve that.
Arcade Andrew1 votesactually some people do, unless you live in a world full of rainbows and think pedophiles should be treated nicely?
because you just said there are no people who deserve to be treated like shit, except there are, and many of them lie in league
MissingKayo1 votesAgain, wrong.
Arcade Andrew1 votesNow you dont even have an argument, you just sound like donald trump.. which I hate to say because I voted for the guy
Auturgist1 votes[deleted]
ReiAngel1 votesNot so sure if a truly decent person would wish someone to kill themselves over a GAME. So who is your excuse for saying something so out of pocket?[slayer-jinx-unamused]
Ada Wong1 votes[{quoted}](name=Arcade Andrew,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3rRAPmyK,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-02-12T08:00:11.375+0000)
Why was dunkey, a league player who was super toxic (but actually good) so right about league? Yet riot banned him and never did a damn thing about trolls...
(this isnt defending dunkeys actions, moreover the fact that he was right about what causes people to be toxic, and riot shouldve taken a few pointers from him)
Dunky might have been toxic I never really saw his videos of him being toxic, but....
First game in weeks, and my Jungler is retard troll ping spamming and wont stop even after muting sound he comes in lane KS, then starts farming.