This behavior is present in 1/3 Diamond+ ranked games. This needs to be made zero tolerance.

Yenn··6 votes·2,103 views

Look at this example from my last game.

We were winning and had just taken an inhibitor. We wanted to group bottom. Graves didn't group, he got caught, and he died. The enemy team engaged on the four of us after, we killed three of them, they killed two of us, and we disengaged. Janna told him that he needs to group with us:

http://i.imgur.com/0kWPTls.jpg

So, Graves get extremely defensive and decides he's just going to stop playing, because his bad decision was criticized. He spent the next 3 minutes in the jungle farming, refusing to help us push. We managed to catch two enemy players out, including their jungle, and took Baron without him. After we took Baron, he ran directly into the enemy fountain and left the game:

http://imgur.com/pvteNc4

We continued trying to win 4v5, then he rejoined and continued farming the jungle about 3 minutes later. We lost a 4v5 and the enemy pushed to end the game, while Graves continued farming in the jungle. The enemy team ended the game, and we asked them to report Graves. To which he responded 'lol for what? because i dc'd?'

This is fucking stupid. It's reaching the point where the game isn't even fun, because of these fragile douche bags being in virtually every moderately high rated game and making their team lose at the drop of a hat.

I've been playing at Diamond since season 1 (Platinum before Diamond existed) and I've had the pleasure of watching this behavior happen more and more often as each season progressed. This kind of behavior was basically unheard of prior to season 3, and now it's reached a point where it's almost in more games than not. It's happening so often that I barely even want to play anymore.

Enough is enough. This is not acceptable behavior and shouldn't be tolerated even once. The fact that this type of bullshit happens so often indicates that there is little, if any, punishment for it.

To make this post even more exciting, this particular player is not new to me. I've been playing with them and watching them act like this for the past two seasons; they're S4 Master/S5 Diamond. This means that they've been getting away with this behavior for over two years.

I actually submitted a support ticket with screenshots of this player doing this last season, because I'd been encountering them so often. Considering they're still doing it, it's obvious that the ticket was ignored. Why is this behavior not high (if not the highest) priority for putting an end to?

25 Comments

Shifune3 votes

Maybe if people kept their mouths closed, this wouldn't happen. I can almost guarantee that if Janna and Garen didn't say anything, you would have won that game. I stopped caring about what my teammates do a long time ago. Hell, half the time I mute my whole team anyway.

Gary B Enkelis2 votes

This is why you don't act condescending to your equals? @ Janna Garen

Graves got caught, admitted he made a mistake, and got bullied?

Why did nobody encourage Graves to play? Offer some positive words, instead of calling Graves stupid or encouraging Graves to leave?

BlueThingamajig5 votes

While Garen said something idiotic, there is literally no excuse for Graves to go afk. The graves player literally threw a ranked game because of a single comment.

Note that graves threatened to afk before garen's comment. That's not getting bullied. That's egocentrism.

Gary B Enkelis2 votes

Why are you not blaming the Janna comment that happened before Graves asked if he should AFK?

They're the same rank, so what gives Janna the right to be condescending?

Graves already says he knows what he did wrong, and then Garen decided to escalate things and Janna backed him up? That's 2 against 1. I dunno.

BlueThingamajig2 votes

Because the severity of the comment was 2/10. The fact that graves considered afking to be an appropriate response is disproportionate at best and actively malicious at worst.

Why are you trying to defend throwing and going afk in a ranked game? If someone is harassing you, you mute, report, and move on.

Gary B Enkelis2 votes

Why not rate all comments the same? If Janna 's comment was equal to all comments then why would it not be a red flag?

I'm just trolling, here.

I'm not excusing Graves 's behavior, but I'm wondering if it could have been prevented?

What would have happened if nobody opened their mouth that game, except for useful information like timers? How was Janna 's comment useful in the slightest?

Instead of ganging up on Graves how about looking at other pieces?

Yes, Graves could have muted people and kept playing. People could have kept their yaps shut too.

Janna :

this is why you dont go mid btw graves

Come on. He's in diamond, same as them. Have some respect?

Have you tried putting yourself in Graves 's shoes? Have you tried asking them what's up instead of sending this to a forum? You've known them 2 seasons. In all that time have you friended them or talked to them?

Oleandervine2 votes

It's funny that because Janna and Garen decided to be assholes about 1 death that didn't result in an ace either way, they lost the game. 1 death. Sure, Graves shouldn't have been a dick either, but then, flaming people only leads to tilting. This is exactly why people who are hostile to their teammates lose more games.

Yenn1 votes

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It's funny that because Janna and Garen decided to be assholes about 1 death that didn't result in an ace either way, they lost the game. 1 death. Sure, Graves shouldn't have been a dick either, but then, flaming people only leads to tilting. This is exactly why people who are hostile to their teammates lose more games.

I'm not sure why you're defending someone intentionally losing a high rated ranked game.

This was the second (possibly third) time Graves refused to group with us. As the game progresses, a single mistake like this becomes more likely to completely lose the game.

Gary B Enkelis1 votes

Rank means squat.

So does your flimsy evidence.

Nobody is saying that what Graves did is right. Why are you defending the other players intentionally targeting Graves ? Given the evidence from the screenshots you've provided....

Yenn1 votes

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Rank means squat.

So does your flimsy evidence.

Nobody is saying that what Graves did is right. Why are you defending the other players intentionally targeting Graves ? Given the evidence from the screenshots you've provided....

The subject of this post is Graves's behavior, not Janna or Garen's behavior. If you want to discuss Janna or Garen's behavior, make a new thread, otherwise stop derailing this thread.

Gary B Enkelis1 votes

You have your opinion and I have mine.

I've given you my thoughts on why Graves would behave the way he did. I've also said it's not good for him to have behaved that way. How am I derailing?

I'm not the only person who has said maybe his behavior could have been prevented if your teammates had also behaved differently. Why is this not acceptable?

Itankyou1 votes

After we took Baron, he ran directly into the enemy fountain and left the game

Rekt.

But seriously, people in this community get triggered now over the silliest shit. I hate this game. Retards run amock.

BTW, I've only ever seen one person get banned for doing this. If you aren't obvious with it though u will never get banned.

Yenn3 votes

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Rekt.

But seriously, people in this community get triggered now over the silliest shit. I hate this game. Retards run amock.

Basically. This is the shit that ruins games, but for some reason people saying mean things are punished faster and more harshly than these players.

Itankyou2 votes

Ya, it's honestly a huge turn off for me. This game was fun last season. This season has been soooo bad with the boosted animals and this new int feeding culture that I just wanna post in these forums because it's more fun than actually playing the game.

When I solo que, I get these people 50/50 it's ridiculous

Also kudos for the great post, you finally said everything I wanted to say without sounding like a 12 year old (something I have failed to do in these forums). GJ

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

I don't know why people disrespect diamond elo by griefing like that.

Gary B Enkelis1 votes

Why do people disrespect at any elo?

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

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Why do people disrespect at any elo?

That's a good question, you'd have to define disrespect.

Assuming that disrespect is 100% intent throwing / griefing, it comes down to:

Team killing equivalent. Tilt anger taken out on people. Non-investment in a disposable account. People who genuinely believe that Veigar is a valid support. Retaliation for meta bans on champions that they they play or OP. Believing that the teammate shouldn't receive a win.

DrCyanide1 votes

Is it too much to think that you should lose 100 LP for that kind of behavior? It's not "zero tolerance", but it pretty clearly shows it's not acceptable.

... I can't tell if people intentionally doing it to drop divisions would OK or not. On the one hand, if they wanted to drop, then they were going to throw far more games, but on the other it could still be encouraging them to throw the games because it's easier to drop their rank...

TheOminousTwinki1 votes

I know those feels, you get a player who makes a mistake and then either says they were feeding on purpose hiding their mistakes under the veil of trolling OR refuse to own up to it then get butthurt and ragequit. Now the players who are venting their frustrations through chat are punished. What were we taught as children... "use your words" well riot says fuck all that sit their and take it and maybe the person trolling might get punished but if you say anything bad to them our language bots will ban you 10 seconds after the game ends.

TLDR; Riot Fix Your Shit.

Sidiious2 votes

You were likely also taught "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all." Unless you're 3, then yep you're still on use your words.

TheOminousTwinki1 votes

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You were likely also taught "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all." Unless you're 3, then yep you're still on use your words.

You know rapists say that too, just let it happen, dont fight back just lay there till it's over.

Sidiious2 votes

What does rape have to do with not calling someone stupid or farming jg Ina game? Very insensitive to people who have been raped.

Also HUGE point here that's one screen of comments, I bet that's not the first time someone made a rude comment to the guy. And nothing was done to defuse the statements made by the accusers. Plus the "bye" comment likely sealed the deal. Not a please help finish this not a we can do it with you.

Frankly the people soliciting votes from the other team should be punished since it is against the rules.

TheOminousTwinki1 votes

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What does rape have to do with not calling someone stupid or farming jg Ina game? Very insensitive to people who have been raped.

Also HUGE point here that's one screen of comments, I bet that's not the first time someone made a rude comment to the guy. And nothing was done to defuse the statements made by the accusers. Plus the "bye" comment likely sealed the deal. Not a please help finish this not a we can do it with you.

Frankly the people soliciting votes from the other team should be punished since it is against the rules.

Rape as in, they are doing what they want to you and you have to be quiet and take it, or you could afk out of the game, leave the situation but you still get punished. My team is being jerks there is someone verbally abusing me but I have to sit there and let it happen or I get "leaver buster" you can mute them but honestly after someone treats you like crap why just mute and move on. Walk away is what you should do but punished if you stay, punished if you go. It's all total bullshit.

Morality Coach1 votes

A Jarvan did this yesterday in my Silver 2 climb for the same reason.

Stop tilting people in ranked. Some people just play ranked like norms and don't try to climb much and will throw.

Ada Wong1 votes

Try having a team that just runs around all game getting the enemy fed no one groups and ends when you are seriously winning so they make a game go on like 50+ minutes wasting everyone's time just to lose.

Another game same bullshit after...

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