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Can I get punished for unusual strantegies ?

FioraWillCarry··1 votes·444 views

So past month or so I managed to climb to Silver 2. I took a break from Ranked play and spammed normals. Couple days ago I decided to try for Gold. However, that hope was quicky dashed as I got team after team of extreme feeders until I fell all the way to Silver 5 again.

Now at this point, I'm tempted to just right it off as something out of my control. I mean, nothing I can do if I get feeders right ? But I thought about all the countless threads on the internet where someone complains about bad teams and some high elo player always says it can be carried if they're good enough. As such I decided to start exploring how.

Problem is, I'm racking up a considerable amount of reports due to this exploration. I'm trying all manner of differing tactics in an effort to find a way to carry bad teams. For example, a couple games ago, my team started feeding, so I decide to try getting a lane ahead by sacrificing my lane to camp bot. It didn't work and we lost. I was blamed for giving up top for nothing so...reported. Another game, I started exploring hyper-farming. Basically, when my team starts feeding, I just start farming any and everything while ignoring my team. The idea here is that I'm trying to get my powerspike asap so I can carry against fed enemies. Soon as I get 4 items, I start fighting. Needless to say, my entire team was angry as fuck that I was ignoring them and taking all the jungle monsters. I'm 100% sure they all reported me.

If I keep getting reported for this, will I get some kind of penalty eventually ?

15 Comments

Zezockary1 votes

The instant feedback system isn't going to get you for that (unless you are flaming or inting along with it), but it may eventually trigger a manual review. If the person reviewing you determines that you are intentionally losing games you will be punished, but if what you are saying is true and you are playing to win then you shouldn't.

Also, when playing from behind as a top laner it is best to play passively and farm without getting caught out until you find a good chance to rotate. Don't worry so much about powerspikes because the enemy isn't going to wait for your powerspike to kill your team. Wait for good situations to fight or take objectives.

If you keep doing the same thing in one match you become predictable. If you start camping a lane they will play safe and you won't get a good opportunity from it. If you keep farming all game then they will notice you have no presence and roam without worrying. Stay flexible within a given match.

wei2701 votes

actually if seems if there is enough number of reports in enough number of games you can get punished for anything as long as it is consistent. so if everyone is constantly reporting you for playing teemo every game then you get punished for playing teemo

Zezockary1 votes

Can you show me evidence supporting your statement?

Any cases or statements from someone who worked on the system?

scazzman1 votes

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Can you show me evidence supporting your statement?

Any cases or statements from someone who worked on the system?

Smite support singed and nunu were both punished due to being reported in over half of their games, because they /muted all on top of their off meta strategy

Zezockary1 votes

Those have both been talked about in length by reds and are edge cases at best.

One of them even had the punishment revoked.

wei2701 votes

yeah but remember they were first punished then the player apply for it to be revoked so the automated system does punished the way it punishes you

still i mean getting reported that much and that often is pretty much the outlier cases, one have to really really try and then try some more.

Zezockary1 votes

Both of those punishments were a manual review by an actual person, they weren't punished by the automated system.

If you get reported a lot but the IFS doesn't find anything offensive then Riot manually reviews the case so they can determine why that is the case and if they were actually doing anything. Then they dole out a punishment and work towards updating the system to catch it.

wei2701 votes

evidence?

Zezockary1 votes

For what specific part of what I said? A lot of it is backed by the quote you provided.

wei2701 votes

non of it proves they have some one look at it before the individual in question was punished

Zezockary1 votes

If you check the link in the quote you linked Riot Gromp says"

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it makes sense that you’d rack up a ton of reports, net manual reviews and even potential penalties from Player Support.

Which shows that the singed issue was definitely a manual review, but also gives you insight on their process.

Basically, if you are reported a lot but the automated system doesn't detect anything punishable the case is moved forward for a manual review where someone reviews it and tries to find what is causing the reports.

In the quote you provided WookieeCookie says that the Nunu player was reported in nearly 50% of his games, which would cause your case to be manually reviewed, so I don't see a reason to assume it wasn't a manual review that caused the punishment.

Slightly off topic, how do you get names and dates to appear at the top of quote boxes?

wei2701 votes

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Here we are again! The case of_ “Unusual Pick that Throws A Game on Its head”_ vs “The Teammates going WTF Is Going On”.

If you’re just tuning in we previously covered this topic with a similar case in December: “Support Singed isn't bannable, but that's not the point”.

We feel that the situation between these two edge cases are very similar. But it’s obvious we need to keep updating a few processes to smooth out any rare repeats in the future. And rare is what we’d call this; it’s a very unique edge case that seems to only present itself once every few months among thousands of audits that we process.

Let’s re-iterate our stance from before:

Q: Can I get banned for choosing a champion or strategy that is outside the current meta?

A: 100% no. Choosing a champion or strategy outside of the current meta is not a factor we take into account when reviewing accounts. On any given day tens of thousands of players are making unusual picks in the game and they’ll never receive penalties in any form.

Q: So why does this issue keep coming up? What makes it different?

A: Riot Gromp said it best in the previous post when they stated: “...common sense and good sportsmanship say that experimenting players need to clearly communicate intent and win conditions to their teammates.” League of Legends is a team game and sometimes the biggest challenge can be coordinating with 4 other strangers who share a common goal; victory. If a player is going to rewrite the rules for the rest of their team then there is more pressure to properly communicate to everyone what they want the plan to be, and what they think everyone should do to achieve it.

But wait! Communication doesn’t stop after you press the Enter button on your keyboard; and that’s where we saw a problem in this particular case. All of us need to be aware of the difference of communicating “with” someone vs. communicating “at” someone. Telling your team what you’re going to do and then ignoring them isn’t really working with them it’s holding them hostage. Telling your team what you want to do and actually working towards a common plan is a central part to playing any team based game.

In this case what we observed was an expert Nunu counter-jungler throwing the meta on it’s head with a respectable win rate of 53%. While pretty impressive on it’s own, we also found that nearly 50% of their games were reported by teammates as frustrating and unfun. Keep in mind, this isn’t just teammates in losing games, this is teammates across all of his games; victories included.

The message was pretty clear to us, this player is serious about_ Making Nunu Great Again_ but they are leaving a trail of dissatisfaction, frustration, and anger in their wake.

Winning is not the end all be all of League. We want players to have fun but not at the expense of teammates. Ideally this means players will coordinate among themselves in a given match and react to the unique circumstances they end up in. If a player is consistently forcing “their vision” on the rest of the team **and **refusing to adapt to their needs we reserve the right to intervene. That’s what happened here (and before with the Singed case); players cried out how terrible the experience was for them and we intervened.

Moving forward we’re going to keep updating our processes for these edge cases. We will still be on the lookout for situations where a player is creating a really negative experience for everyone else and we will intervene when necessary. In this case it’s undeniable that TakeTheDraw wants to win even if their approach leaves a lot to be desired. The effects on others in his games were enough for us to lock the account and we stand by that. But our agents were not properly prepared with a process to handle this edge case when they wrote in and that is on me. I will be working with the team to clarify an escalation process that emphasizes clearer feedback and opens the door for ban reductions if we believe that someone can make changes to their play style allowing them to continue crushing the meta but not at the expense of their teammates.

ModPeriscope1 votes

I don't know if that's true. You'd likely be triggered for a manual review. If you're reported, but those reports are wrong, then nothing happens. But I would think if you get a large quantity of reports over a period of time, I'm thinking nothing initially would be doled out by the IFS. But eventually a manual review would be done.

Makior721 votes

As long as you are making an honest effort to win the match, you are fine.

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