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khorney·May 4, 2017·2 votes·450 views

Why is Blizzard a better company then riot You're playing a game, and people don't like to lose. It's human nature. If you're an idiot and contribute to the loss, it pisses people off. Sorry if it triggers you. There's a mute button for a reason.

By the way, I can tell you right now that Blizzard doesn't give a care about reports. This isn't ego-trip-Lyte's League of Legends. Silences go out once in a while but rarely... and I have never ever heard of a ban just for language.

People need to man up. (Maybe I should put that in the form of a song lyric so your cuddly little mind can understand it?)

22 Comments

All of the noobsMay 5, 20175 votes

Why is Blizzard a better company then riot.

Okay, hold on.

If you've been a active follower of blizzard since atleast 2008-ish (around release of WOTLK) till today, you would be crying of laugh seeing this statement. I can honestly not think of another company who managed to mess up so badly multiple times over the past couple of years.

You're playing a game, and people don't like to lose. It's human nature.

No. Please. Stop. Please stop using that term.

Blizzard doesn't give a care about reports.

First of all, you need sources for this. Secondly, you cannot compare blizzard games to League of Legends.

If you flame in WoW, you're going to be known around your server for being the way you are. Guilds wont have you, people wont invite you to raids. On the top of this, if you're toxic in a raid you'll get removed. If you're toxic outside raid you'll get ignored and people wont have to struggle with you.
If you "flame" in Heartstone, you'll get squelch'd. Obviously there's no chatbox, but some players has the need to add you after a game and empty out on you. If you've been playing around for some time you know this and its never going to be a problem.. unless you want a good laugh and accept his friend invite.
if you flame in Diablo, you'll get kicked off the group and ignored. They can do this whenever they feel like without consequences.
if you flame in HOTS.. which you cant as there's no ingame chatbox... I believe?

As you notice, the few games where you actually can flame handles it pretty well. The punishment is you being removed. The result of your flame isn't very effective niether.

People need to man up.

I'll correct you; People need to read up before throwing statements on forums.

ModThe DjinnMay 4, 20174 votes

{quoted}You're playing a game, and people don't like to lose.

People should realize that games with internal skill trackers aim for a 50/50 win/loss rate. If you're not willing to lose about half your games, the game in question probably isn't for you.

There's a mute button for a reason.

Indeed. But people misunderstand the reason -- it's there so that players who encounter a toxic player have a recourse to avoid being abused for the duration of a game. It is NOT there to ALLOW abuse by providing a means to escape it.

It's like having a shield: you have a shield so that, if you are attacked, you have a defense. Having a shield is NOT an invitation for someone to attack you.

khorneyMay 4, 20171 votes

its toxic when say i the supp give the adc a triple kill right off and the said adc yells at me to not feed for dying 1 time then the said adc backs at full then buys boots and cull....or bought recurve bow......or bought zeal.......that is toxic never everevevr shoudl you rush any of this shyt when u are ahead by that much.........but peopel should not be sensitive either someone is talking shyt or doing something that you may deem toxic for instance leaving bot to raom mid becuase ur adc is back but then ur adc runs down lane and dies and you gave the mid or jungler a kill and its your fault that he died. anythign in league can be constituted as being toxic. people need to grow up and not be sensitive

ModThe DjinnMay 4, 20176 votes

{quoted}people need to grow up and not be sensitive

You are entitled to your opinion, definitely.

Personally, it's not a matter of sensitivity -- a player throwing abusive language at me doesn't really get to me or bother me much at all. What it DOES do is create an atmosphere that I don't want to spend my free time in. Not because I'm "overly sensitive," but because during my relaxation time I don't want to have to be bothered to mute assholes who derive enjoyment out of attempting to harass me.

There's a difference between trying to foster a good community and creating a "safe space." Riot is doing the former -- if you can't be trusted to not flame another player who just wants to play some friendly League, Riot doesn't want you around.

YerroFeverMay 4, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1kQwwFOA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-04T21:39:38.529+0000)

Personally, it's not a matter of sensitivity -- a player throwing abusive language at me doesn't really get to me or bother me much at all. What it DOES do is create an atmosphere that I don't want to spend my free time in. Not because I'm "overly sensitive," but because during my relaxation time I don't want to have to be bothered to mute assholes who derive enjoyment out of attempting to harass me.

There's a difference between trying to foster a good community and creating a "safe space." Riot is doing the former -- if you can't be trusted to not flame another player who just wants to play some friendly League, Riot doesn't want you around.

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This Is Your DadMay 5, 20171 votes

Grown ups don't tell each other to kill themselves either so....

khorneyMay 4, 20171 votes

no riot is a way worse company then hirez and or blizzard, this is a fact not my opinion. With that being said, I can mess up REALLY badly in a blizzard game and no one types shit in allies chat. No one pings. No one does anything.

I think I have encountered three memorable negative people in my whole experience playing various blizzard games and that's from like old days of diablo , starcraft , and warcraft . what yerrofever wrote. why do you think that is ???? thsi isnt a one person thing this is a nonstop thing that people in these games experience. why becuase blizzard and hirez care to a point and do things that stop people from being toxic or thigns that are invovled in their games have a way of not creating toxic behavior. but riot creates its own toxic community that is fact

ModThe DjinnMay 4, 20172 votes

{quoted}this is a fact not my opinion.

Please cite your factual sources then, because that sounds subjective as all get out.

With that being said, I can mess up REALLY badly in a blizzard game and no one types shit in allies chat.

People complain when you mess up in HotS -- I've been playing it a lot lately, and getting about as much grief as I do in League. People complained ALL the time in World of Warcraft dungeons/raids. OverWatch isn't as bad, but it's also harder to track where your team is and what they're doing.

I think I have encountered three memorable negative people in my whole experience playing various blizzard games

Anecdotal experience isn't great for an argument -- I've encountered a bunch of toxic people in Blizzard games myself. But I'm glad that your experience has been better. :)

but riot creates its own toxic community

You seem to be suggesting that NOT punishing toxic behavior somehow will make their be less toxic behavior. Do you have any studies or sources to back that claim up? Because it's a bold claim, but I'm always willing to see actual data that contradicts my assumptions, if you have any.

YerroFeverMay 4, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1kQwwFOA,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-05-04T21:54:41.240+0000)

Anecdotal experience isn't great for an argument -- I've encountered a bunch of toxic people in Blizzard games myself. But I'm glad that your experience has been better. :)

The portion he quoted me on was after the disclosure that I understand that my exp. may not be the most common or representative experience.

Also, my level in HOTS is nowhere near proportional to my level in LOL. So my experience could be this way because everyone at my HOTS level is learning. I don't own all of the champs in HOTS like I do in LOL.

khorneyMay 4, 20171 votes

i highlighted it and said so to other people, but talk to peopel in a blizzard game and you will hardly find people liek you do in league hence why league is and has the most toxic community

khorneyMay 4, 20171 votes

i do not have top cite anythign read the forums on here you are bound to find somethign toxic in all of 3secs. blizzard and hirez rarely punsih players due to games are shorter, more people play together and wow on a raid is different. What does blizzard and hirez do differently then league? ohh wait they rarely punish people, but riot creates its own toxic environment that is fact. i rarely encounter people that are toxic in overwatch or heroes or starcraft or diablo. liek heroes said person was toxic in a game to me do i care umm nope i do not, next game get that same person guess what that same person wasnt toxic HMMMMMMm coincedence i think not

ModThe DjinnMay 4, 20171 votes

{quoted}i do not have top cite anythign read the forums on here you are bound to find somethign toxic in all of 3secs.

Well, yes. This is a self-selected posting base, largely composed of punished players posting on the Player Behavior boards to figure out why they were banned (or to complain about being punished). Of course it will appear more toxic than an average sampling of League players.

riot creates its own toxic environment that is fact.

You keep stating this, but I still don't believe it to be true. My own League experience is about the same toxicity-wise as my WoW experience, my HotS experience, my Guns of Icarus experience, and my Planetside 2 experience. Hence why I'm asking for supporting research, since what I've received so far is your repeated assertion with little background.

khorneyMay 4, 20171 votes

i mean any post in league forums or anygame. ive played wow heroes starwars the old republic starcraft 2 and league by far is worse then those games put together. there is a reason for this riot creates its own toxic players and does not pusnih the right way ...you want peopel to not be toxic try not permabannign or suspending players.....whats worse then that is chat restriction or making it you have to do so many normal games before you can play that is worse then beimg suspended and or banned becuase all this does is creates mroe toxic players and caring to much

ModThe DjinnMay 4, 20171 votes

{quoted}whats worse then that is chat restriction or making it you have to do so many normal games before you can play that is worse then beimg suspended and or banned becuase all this does is creates mroe toxic players and caring to much

They've tried indefinite chat restrictions in the past, actually -- it didn't have the results they wanted, as too many of those players found other, in-game ways to troll their allies.

As far as limiting players to normal games? Riot doesn't want to penalize players who prefer playing normals by giving them a higher concentration of toxic players. Speaking for myself, I usually play only normals, and I can't say I'm thrilled by the idea of making normal games the dumping ground for toxic players banned from Ranked.

khorneyMay 4, 20171 votes

when was this season 1 or 2 when they had no cummunity? ive been playing since season 3 and have do not recall this ever. blizzard has prisoners island for a reason....in case yuou do not know when someone syas prisoners island you are playing normals agasint people who also have gotten reported for being toxic, leaver buster or reproted and is being punished. 10 min que time average not to mention you have to do 5 matches or 10 or what ever guess what better system, troll allies come on that is not a good arguement at all anything in this game can be counted as trolling and you know this. perma chat restriction is better then being banned all being banned does is lose player base and lose $

ModThe DjinnMay 4, 20171 votes

{quoted}when was this season 1 or 2 when they had no cummunity?

I believe the experiment was done around Season 3 or Season 4. It wasn't publicized because publicizing that sort of thing tends to make the community insist that it be implemented regardless of actual results, but it was an experiment done with a rather large number of punished players.

in case yuou do not know when someone syas prisoners island you are playing normals agasint people who also have gotten reported for being toxic, leaver buster or reproted and is being punished.

I'm very familiar with the idea of Prisoner's Island. Riot did a post recently about exactly why they DON'T want a Prisoner's Island in League.

all being banned does is lose player base and lose $

And that's a choice Riot has intentionally made -- they're okay with the loss of a few players and some money in favor of disincentivizing toxic behavior.

khorneyMay 4, 20171 votes

it was before i started playing in season 3 from i was reading, the game really didnt become popular till season 4 anyway so there is that, prisoners island solves issues but them not wanting it again creates more toxic players then they lose playerbase. losing money adds up anyone of those people couldve been spending hundreds of dollars on league and now they lose that. crap adds up just saying and the chocie they made is the wrong choice. they punish people for a persons opinion....yah they show you that chat and its not toxic at all lol you just get banned and punished for pretty much 0 reason.

YerroFeverMay 4, 20171 votes

I understand that my experience may not be representative of everyone's experience and may not be the the most common experience.

With that being said, I can mess up REALLY badly in a blizzard game and no one types shit in allies chat. No one pings. No one does anything.

I think I have encountered three memorable negative people in my whole experience playing various blizzard games and that's from like old days of diablo 1, starcraft 1, and warcraft 1.

khorneyMay 4, 20171 votes

thats what im talkign about. it shows you how much better of a company blizzard is over riot. blizzard rarely bans people and you dodge a game guess what you get thrown into prisoners island and have to wait like 20 min before you que and you have to do 5 qms in order for the ban to be lifted....not with riot they create negative people by doing actions such as permabanning people becuase 1 person deemed what you were doing was toxic and bam you get banned. in blizzard no one cares becuase in the next game maybe a person may have been toxic but guess what no one cares and that person wasnt toxic the next game but if it was riot u get banned chat resticted or whatever thus creating negative behavior that they are trying to prevent.

YerroFeverMay 4, 20171 votes

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thats what im talkign about. it shows you how much better of a company blizzard is over riot. blizzard rarely bans people and you dodge a game guess what you get thrown into prisoners island and have to wait like 20 min before you que and you have to do 5 qms in order for the ban to be lifted....not with riot they create negative people by doing actions such as permabanning people becuase 1 person deemed what you were doing was toxic and bam you get banned. in blizzard no one cares becuase in the next game maybe a person may have been toxic but guess what no one cares and that person wasnt toxic the next game but if it was riot u get banned chat resticted or whatever thus creating negative behavior that they are trying to prevent.

I played WoW and people got permabaned from Kel'Thuzad all the time when they said terrible things. I played from beta through BC and back then it was a pretty small server and I heard of people in other guilds getting banned and having to start over.

Maybe they were harsh at the start and established the atmosphere and so people self regulated to make sure their friends could keep playing the game with them.

I know that for the most part, almost no one in league tries to regulate other players. Everyone just mutes and then reports. Maybe it's not Riot that is creating this atmosphere but we the player base by not actually standing up for each other? I don't know.

EvilDustManMay 4, 20171 votes

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I understand that my experience may not be representative of everyone's experience and may not be the the most common experience.

With that being said, I can mess up REALLY badly in a blizzard game and no one types shit in allies chat. No one pings. No one does anything.

I think I have encountered three memorable negative people in my whole experience playing various blizzard games and that's from like old days of diablo 1, starcraft 1, and warcraft 1.

Part of it, honestly, is length of game and the fact you can't leave. That makes League a very tense game sometimes.

khorneyMay 4, 20171 votes

thats what i mean, summoners rift is long boring and is a farmville game for the first 10 min and or in the first 10 min say fizz gets 4 kills guess what its over. in aram its not long you cant snowball really, compare the toxic behavior between the 2 game modes summoners rift soemone will always be toxic and will complain about how a person didnt carry them