"Premades are not toxic and actually our data show us that premades are never toxic"-Riot

Phuc Dat Bich·11/30/2015, 4:29:59 AM·2 votes·804 views

Yeah that why every game i have play so far that have a premade on they were trolling the gameplay and the chat and then they report the team x2 reports

And you want to make soloQ to only be with premades? yeah enjoy the millions of people who would quit

At least right now when we see a toxic "best duo bot" we dodge the champ select but now it would be every game? yeah keep shooting your self in the foot riot and see where this would lead you

You say premades are not toxic? i can tell for sure that the 90% of the games that i have lost they were having a premade duo on it and they were both feeding and cursing

Now riot want to make that number 100%

12 Comments

SmokedAlmonds11/30/2015, 4:36:23 AM9 votes

They don't say premades aren't toxic. They say the difference between the toxicity levels in individuals and groups is not nearly what people think it is.

Zombiemaster11/30/2015, 4:36:11 AM8 votes

Okay, when has Riot actually stated that premades are never toxic?

EDIT: I'd be willing to bet that there are many premades you encounter that aren't toxic at all, but you just don't know that they are actually a premade.

Anomander11/30/2015, 4:34:50 AM4 votes

I love people who misquote.....

Libel a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.

Slander the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation

Lucky for us riot doesn't go to such extremes as lawsuits.....

Hello I am Bird11/30/2015, 4:32:24 AM4 votes

Where are you getting these sources from? I havent seen riot say anything like this and the Red Tracker isn't showing anything either

SmokedAlmonds11/30/2015, 11:15:44 AM3 votes

The actual quote if anyone is interested:

Will Riot consider making premades with only 2,3 or 5 people and not 4 so the one player playing soloqueue is not getting screwed by being placed with a 4 man premade in ranked?

#LeagueOfLegends

Some players are really overreacting to the potential negative experiences from Premade 4s. In fact, across League, most games have at least 1 premade group in them and most players never notice. I just checked some older data on Premade 4s and here it is: Queue: Blind Pick (because we don't have Premade 4s in Solo/Duo today to look at) Group Comp: Premade 4s Only (no segmentation on positive, neutral, toxic or mixed groups of Premade 4s) Reports Checked: Negative Attitude # of Reports Received FROM THE PREMADE 4s to the SOLO per 100 games: 0.40 # of Reports Sent BY THE SOLO to the PREMADE 4s per 100 games: 0.67 Some caveats to this data: It's imperfect, and a quick check on a weekend. To do this properly at the office, you would analyze all report categories for billions of games across Normal Blind and Normal Draft and it'd take a lot longer. Secondly, this is Blind Pick, so the trends would definitely be slightly worse in a Dynamic Queue or "high stakes" context. Regardless, the data provides some insights.

It's true that Premade 4s are slightly more toxic than we'd like compared to Premade 2s, 3s and 5s, but it's nowhere near as catastrophic as some players are suggesting. Think about it: for every 100 games with a Premade 4 that a Solo plays, they only report the Premade 0.67 times--less than 1 of the 100 games on average. This just goes to show that on average, players never even notice their teammates are Premade 4 and there aren't huge catastrophically negative experiences in every Premade 4 match.

alasarcher11/30/2015, 10:28:20 AM1 votes

In my experience, people are more toxic to premades, than premades being toxic to teammates. I got feeling ,since they are premade, team expects them to carry, and if they play bad, team immediately starts flaming and reportcalling for them.

wilsuport4coffee12/1/2015, 1:53:17 AM1 votes

i constantly duo with at least one person, and we're never toxic. In fact, I'm way less likely to get angry playing with my duo's and maybe a couple randoms than i am playing with a team full of randoms.

That being said, I also played with a premade the other day and none of them would communicate. Not one of them would help me do anything, completely ignored me, and when i asked why they wouldn't talk they said "we are talking, just not to you" and kept that attitude up until i decided if they're that good without me (support) they must not need me to group so i just split pushed. changed their attitude really quickly.