bring back the option to honor the enemy

Arammus·Jul 2, 2018·50 votes·14,013 views

eventually riot MUST listen to us.

50 Comments

King LegoJul 2, 20186 votes

I think the main issue with honoring the enemy is that players are abusing it only as "you were easy to kill" , "you were our focus" , "you're the reason we won" etc. So it was kind of dishonorable really. As someone who honored the opponent who was nice, posed as a great challenge and gave me a match i enjoyed (win or lose), i was sad that riot had to remove and to know that the system was used for the wrong purpose by many, it was very disgusting really. In other words: Players who used the enemy honor system for wrong reason are the reason why riot removed the honor enemy option from League.

DanjengJul 3, 20181 votes

Players currently honor those who carried, not those with a positive attitude. I do not feel good about myself if I get honored. I know they don't care my personality. They only care for my kda.

King LegoJul 3, 20181 votes

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Players currently honor those who carried, not those with a positive attitude. I do not feel good about myself if I get honored. I know they don't care my personality. They only care for my kda.

Well, to my experience, when i get fed and am the carry, all my team mates are under my lead, and listen to me to the end of the game. "ward drake fast" "don't go without me, just defend until i recall and get an item" "enemy are doing baron, you all do drake while i try to baron steal" The list goes on. In other words, i was a good leader. But i have my moments really. I got honored for shotcalling and "gg" more than the tilt-proof. I got only like 1 or 2 tilt-proof honors since beginning of season 8.

ButterwoodJul 2, 20183 votes

I think it'd be an interesting perk of the honor system to allow something like this exclusively to people who already have high honor ratings. The logic would be that the more "honorable" a player is, the more likely they are to respect people on the other team who have been good teammates / "fun" counterparts to trash talk in /all.

Would it end up working that way? Probably not, but the logic is there.

YerroFeverJul 2, 20183 votes

When it was in the game, I honored enemies quite frequently based on their in game behavior and chat.

People who didn't spam emotes and didn't say "ez" (outside of referring to Ezreal) and said "gg" or those that engaged in playful and funny banter, I'd totally honor.

When I run into players who make really clever role playing jokes in game, I want to honor them because they're funny and they're trying to make the game fun for everyone even though it's a competitive game.

When people are focused on winning and having fun while playing the game rather than flaming and trolling, it makes the game so much better, and opponents can contribute to a fun but still competitive atmosphere as well.

TesladinJul 2, 20182 votes

I think the main point of the honor change was to encourage people who otherwise dont care enough to click it, to still honor someone

TheZacStreetBoysJul 2, 20181 votes

Maybe they could add optional and less significant opponent honoring IN ADDITION to the current system of team honoring.

DanjengJul 3, 20181 votes

Doesn't that inflate the honor value though? Honor hardly means anything if players are prompted to give them out. The current honor system isn't really an honor system. It's more of a "I carried" system, and can go to those who aren't the most pleasant people to play with.

IMO players should get a flair based on the relative amount of specific honors to game ratio. Like someone with an exceptionally high tilt proof honor would have that displayed.

CiphonWJul 2, 20182 votes

THIS PLEASE

I MUST SHOW MY HONORABLE LANE OPPONENTS THAT I APPRECIATE THEM

TheKingOfBichesJul 2, 20182 votes

I see this kind of post every week. Surely riot dosent give a fuck if they've been ignoring 25 of these threads. Stop spamming,riot will not bring back honoring enemies.

HungryAngry2SPPJul 2, 20182 votes

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I see this kind of post every week. Surely riot dosent give a fuck if they've been ignoring 25 of these threads. Stop spamming,riot will not bring back honoring enemies.

The fact is: more people spam those treads, the more rito should understand how much we care about it

HawkefireJul 2, 20182 votes

I second this! There have been several times where there were enemy players that were just incredibly friendly, and by that I don't mean intentionally feeding or griefing in any way, they were just super polite.

Hiraeth OblivionJul 2, 20182 votes

Sad that the only excuse is "it looks like someone is making fun of someone else because they lost".

What happened to just being a good person and having sportsmanship?

FluffehJul 3, 20182 votes

Its a bit depressing reading some of the opinions of people that play this game with me

SaezioJul 3, 20182 votes

On another note, make S ranks be visible to enemy in post game and let us see KDA before honoring

ArammusJul 3, 20181 votes

how about no? if you honor ppl based on their kda, you clearly missread the 3 honor options (like many)

SaezioJul 3, 20182 votes

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how about no? if you honor ppl based on their kda, you clearly missread the 3 honor options (like many)

yeah my bad in phrasing but dont you feel cheated when you honor someone then they are flaming in postgame chat?

ArammusJul 3, 20182 votes

fair point yea. but with ifs also checking for post game chat (finally after asking riot for years) its not as bad

WøOxerJul 2, 20181 votes

Not gonna happen, because no one honored enemies anyway.

Last GunfighterJul 2, 20182 votes

I did, and the achievement for honorable enemy means other people did as well. In 70% of losses I'd rather honor someone great on the enemy team than someone on my own team if I had to make a choice

WøOxerJul 2, 20181 votes

If u did doesn't mean majority did, personally I never honored enemies, in first case why would I?

TheZacStreetBoysJul 2, 20183 votes

If they played well and you enjoyed a fair challenge and they weren't assholes if they stomped or were stomped by you.

UnboundHadesJul 2, 20181 votes

just because you didnt doesnt mean the majority didnt

Get Ogre HereJul 2, 20183 votes

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If u did doesn't mean majority did, personally I never honored enemies, in first case why would I?

If you were against someone who you thought was really sportsmanlike or just a good person overall, I'd want to encourage that behavior by honoring them

LeveretteJul 3, 20181 votes

Well for starters you have to remember that your opponents are people just like you, and they're not really your enemy. They aren't really trying to declare war on you and burn your village to the ground. You're playing a game with them. There's no need to behave like a caveman and view every breathing thing in the world as a threat to you. It's just a game. These people have done nothing to offend or attack you; their only sin is agreeing to engage in a fun social activity with you.

I find it baffling how some people automatically villainize and dehumanize their opponents to the point where they can't even find a reason to be friendly with them. I can't think of any reason to behave like that other than mammalian instinct, but we should be way past that point by now.

WøOxerJul 3, 20181 votes

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Well for starters you have to remember that your opponents are people just like you, and they're not really your enemy. They aren't really trying to declare war on you and burn your village to the ground. You're playing a game with them. There's no need to behave like a caveman and view every breathing thing in the world as a threat to you. It's just a game. These people have done nothing to offend or attack you; their only sin is agreeing to engage in a fun social activity with you.

I find it baffling how some people automatically villainize and dehumanize their opponents to the point where they can't even find a reason to be friendly with them. I can't think of any reason to behave like that other than mammalian instinct, but we should be way past that point by now.

Well try to play on EUW and u will be treated exactly what u said above ^^.

Ofc I honored some people maybe 5 out of 50, but I am not against to add "Honor" button next to the enemy player in after-game lobby.

LeveretteJul 3, 20181 votes

I reread my statement to you and it came off as aggressive. I didn't mean it that way, it's just that I've also been subject to ridiculous levels of verbal abuse and harassment from other players and it's left me embittered against my will. I apologize for condescending toward you. I shouldn't have pushed that hard.

I know what it's like, don't you worry. It's not exactly a friendly environment... one of the most toxic, frankly. It's because the game breeds stress. But many people allow their stress to bring out some kind of fight reflex against innocent people who are just trying to help everyone have a good time. That makes me sad, and I don't want us to encourage that. I just deeply wish people would get along better...

WøOxerJul 3, 20181 votes

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I reread my statement to you and it came off as aggressive. I didn't mean it that way, it's just that I've also been subject to ridiculous levels of verbal abuse and harassment from other players and it's left me embittered against my will. I apologize for condescending toward you. I shouldn't have pushed that hard.

I know what it's like, don't you worry. It's not exactly a friendly environment... one of the most toxic, frankly. It's because the game breeds stress. But many people allow their stress to bring out some kind of fight reflex against innocent people who are just trying to help everyone have a good time. That makes me sad, and I don't want us to encourage that. I just deeply wish people would get along better...

I didn't took it personally or somewhat like that, but your statement is right and I cant argue to that. So stay cool [slayer-jinx-wink]

LeveretteJul 3, 20181 votes

I appreciated reading that. My regards right back at you.

[vlad-salute]

ThefrostyvikingJul 3, 20181 votes

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Not gonna happen, because no one honored enemies anyway.

Actually people did, i am fairly sure that out of all the honors i got the second most i had were from opponents.

Only 100 less or so from the one from team members, and while i dont recal the specific numbers i do know it was like 200-400 for each of those and 70-200 each for the other categories.

Honors did happen.

SaezioJul 3, 20181 votes

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Actually people did, i am fairly sure that out of all the honors i got the second most i had were from opponents.

Only 100 less or so from the one from team members, and while i dont recal the specific numbers i do know it was like 200-400 for each of those and 70-200 each for the other categories.

Honors did happen.

Well most of us had the red ribbon back in 2013 too. Not many blue yellow and greens if i remember correctly

ThefrostyvikingJul 3, 20181 votes

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Well most of us had the red ribbon back in 2013 too. Not many blue yellow and greens if i remember correctly

I´ve had all but one of the ribbons, and i do have all the icons......not that those were difficult by any means but still.

Cardiac ArhaastJul 6, 20181 votes

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Not gonna happen, because no one honored enemies anyway.

what kind of world do you live in

i cant count the amount of times i've had a light-hearted and fun conversation with someone on the enemy team while my own team is being toxic, and then i wish i could honor them but i end up having to friend and unfriend them to tell them thanks or that i want to play with them again. half the time my friend list functions dont even work, so its a real hassle. it also serves as a way to rewards enemy players for being kind

BoringLittleFJul 2, 20181 votes

If the enemy wins, by honoring you humiliate yourself. If they lose, honoring them looks like a mockery to them.

Not worth bringing back.

Warlord RhinarkJul 2, 20186 votes

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If the enemy wins, by honoring you humiliate yourself. If they lose, honoring them looks like a mockery to them.

Not worth bringing back.

"Humility is not thinking less of yourself, it's thinking of yourself, less." - Abraham Lincoln.

BoringLittleFJul 2, 20181 votes

In the League you only have to think about yourself. If the enemy wins, they already get their kicks, no need to stroke their ego. If they lose, just leave silently and don't rub it in.

TheZacStreetBoysJul 2, 201814 votes

Not really. If an enemy plays well, first off, it's not a mockery to honor them regardless of whether they won or lost. Also, I tended to (IDK about other people) just honor enemies who were chill in chat and were just fun to play against due to their attitude, especially if they were chill after stomping/being stomped.

BoringLittleFJul 2, 20181 votes

There is no such thing as "having fun while playing against someone". Plus, I've seen people honor the enemy who died the most as in "thanks for feeding us, loser, lol".

Ice Weasel XJul 2, 20188 votes

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There is no such thing as "having fun while playing against someone".

Incorrect. Having fun while playing against someone is one of the major reasons that PvP games exist.

Plus, I've seen people honor the enemy who died the most as in "thanks for feeding us, loser, lol".

So? I've seen someone bitch at a guy for holding the door open as if it were an insult instead of a polite gesture. Just because some people are idiots and refuse to take something at face value doesn't mean everyone is. There are a lot of people who had Honorable Opponent flairs/icons because they were enjoyable to play against. That doesn't mean they sucked up to their enemies. Easy example: look at pro streamers who talk trash to each other and laugh with each other about it. They're playing with each other, and their words aren't malicious. Friendly rivalries do exist.

BoringLittleFJul 2, 20181 votes

So? I've seen someone bitch at a guy for holding the door open as if it were an insult instead of a polite gesture. Just because some people are idiots and refuse to take something at face value doesn't mean everyone is.

You compare real life to an enivronment in which people are competitive against each other and use their achievements to treat other people like dirt [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Easy example: look at pro streamers who talk trash to each other and laugh with each other about it. They're playing with each other, and their words aren't malicious. Friendly rivalries do exist.

If they are pals, it's obvious that their rivalry is friendly. However, in the League most people come to feel superior to random people they encounter in the game and use all possible means to express it. It's pure maliciousness.

IcyPepperJul 2, 20183 votes

There is no such thing as "having fun while playing against someone".

[sg-lux-2]

Then what's the point of online gaming? If you can't have fun while playing against someone, that's what singleplayer games are for.

BoringLittleFJul 2, 20181 votes

Online gaming comes in different types. Some offer enjoyment in form of communication. In the games like League, the less you talk to others and the more you look out for yourself, the better it is for you and your mood for the rest of the day.

IcyPepperJul 2, 20183 votes

You know, that attitude applies to real life... but, just like in real life, it only applies to some people. Not all of us are like that. You're acting a bit ethnocentric here, try to think outside the box and consider what other people feel.

I get frustrated too, for sure, but I have the time of my life win or lose if the enemy is a friendly opponent. Not everyone can say the same, but I'm certainly not the only person in the entire world that feels this way.

You're speaking in extremes, yet if you read the responses in this post you can see that not everyone shares your point of view. You can't speak for everyone, because they have already spoken for themselves.

BoringLittleFJul 2, 20181 votes

You're acting a bit ethnocentric here, try to think outside the box and consider what other people feel.

I've been playing League long enough and had just enough bad experience and disappointments to make up my mind.

You're speaking in extremes, yet if you read the responses in this post you can see that not everyone shares your point of view. You can't speak for everyone, because they have already spoken for themselves.

If someone wants to compliment the enemy, they can do it in the lobby. Not everyone had pleasant experience with enemy honors as well - there is a reason this option was removed which speaks volumes about the community.

IcyPepperJul 2, 20182 votes

Well, sorry to hear you feel that way :/

which speaks volumes about the community.

Are you contributing anything positive as your part in the community, or are you going to just going to complain about the rest of us trying to be positive?

BoringLittleFJul 2, 20181 votes

Are you contributing anything positive as your part in the community, or are you going to just going to complain about the rest of us trying to be positive?

I don't flame my teammates in the game (especially in the /all chat), no matter what they do. I honor teammates who did well. That's all that proved to be more or less working as time went by.