@Lyte: Regarding ban escalations and death threats

RedWedding··91 votes·8,440 views

I didn't know how to send this to you, so I'm doing it here.

A few weeks ago, I was perusing the red tracker and came across one of the many "Lyte plz no" threads. I would link it here but I do not want to draw attention to it. OP was saying that they did not deserve bans, as they did not swear and only told people to go kill themselves. Which, according to them, was not that bad.

You escalated their ban to permanent, citing death threats, and OP raged and raged, saying that telling someone to kill themselves was in no way a death threat.

He was right. It isn't a death threat; it is much, much worse.

I have been at a point where if someone had told me to go kill myself, I would have done it. Even if they were some faceless stranger across the internet. I know that others I have played with have been in the same spot. I know that many I haven't even seen would feel the same. Depression is real. Telling someone to kill themselves is not a death threat, it is a potentially lethal attack.

I just wanted to say thank you. I know you get a lot of flak for doing what you do over on the player behavior team, but- at the risk of sounding melodramatic- you may have saved someone's life. So thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

~ RedWedding.

36 Comments

Crazycatperson56 votes

Just remember that there's another human behind that computer screen, and no one deserves to be treated like that. +1

Riotmoonstones43 votes

^ Nicely said.

DustStorm1815 votes

really said nice

RedWedding6 votes

This. So much this.

Arctic Wolf3 votes

If more people playing league were like you, it'd be a much better experience for everyone. Kudos to you sir or madame!

Zyvux3 votes

Wow, this changes my entire outlook on league. Before, I was extremely toxic to the enemy team, but from now on I swear i will never throw another insult or death threat at the beginner ai for one-shotting me. I never knew they were people irl. Thanks to you, i am a new person now.

Zyvux2 votes

Can someone explain to me why this is getting downvoted? is it because I lose games to beginner ai due to freelo annie bot's tibbers pummeling my face every time i try to cs?

RiotLyte18 votes

Thanks for the kind words RedWedding.

I think inside, most players that are neutral or positive are the silent majority. We don't like toxicity, we don't think it belongs in League, but taking the extra step of standing up to it is a very difficult thing to do--it's just easier to let things slide, and mind our own business ya know?

I think more and more, the goals of the team are to empower players to stand up once in awhile and reject toxicity. To give the silent majority an easy way to have a voice. That'd be kinda cool.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

That'd be REALLY cool!

ftfy

themachamp22 votes

meanwhile, I get a 14 day ban while while the people who threatened to kill me and wish death upon me and my family still get to play (yeah, i book marked them on lolking.)

StBBrad31 votes

It is hard to stand up to it.. for when you do you get reported by the toxic player and his/her queue'd buddies... you know resulting in a 14 day ban because Riot is overloaded and just random bans since the Tribunal is gone.

Proelium14 votes

RedWedding,

First off... Nice name...that's awesome.

I'll be the first to admit I've raged several times. I've been a real jerk... but even someone like me who's been a jerk should be able to recognize exactly what you're saying. Telling someone to kill themselves or threatening death is never ok.

I'm sorry to everyone who has to deal with that from this community. Players and Reds alike.

Tapu Fini4 votes

It happens; it's a really competitive environment, and even the least toxic end of the playerbase snaps sometimes. Some players aim specifically to bring that out in people, and others are really just masochistic people. I'm by no means perfect, but never would I let myself go that far.

Anyone that could wish death in any way upon another player, for any reason, needs psychological help. That's a major red flag.

Deathless81C8 votes

I wish the OP the best and this just reminds me Riot needs to be harsher. I can't speak for others but my experience....I EXPECT most games to involve trolls people raging,etc. Because most of them DO and it's goddamn tiring. AND on top of it these people have no fear of bans at all and love to post in chat exactly that. It's tiring hoping you get lucky and your game isn't you playing with 2-4 assholes.

Kahoots5 votes

lol this post is gonna be quoted in Lyte's self-righteous talks sooner or later

edit: however, let me add that I'm glad that something DID save your life, and I hope you never have to go through depression agian, and if you are I wish you the best, there is always help and people willing to help!summoner 7

Flyntloch4 votes

Iv'e been told to kill myself, the first time I played league for a account I had, my friend (Online) who power leveled straight to level 30 and gold 3. With that he invited me to a normal game with his friends. When I sucked horribly against the other thirties they said for me to kill myself and stuff. With that I actually thought I should Kill myself. I got over it and here I am now, I still want to be reporting that dude to this day,

DocRedgrave3 votes

I've always had the ideology that suicide is for cowards, so death threats or people telling me to kill myself don't affect me whatsoever. I wish more people understood my point of view...

EDIT: HEY! I WASN'T CALLING OP A COWARD OR ANYTHING! I was just saying I could easily brush off such threats and that I wish other people were strong enough to do that. So please, don't go downvoting me...

RedWedding5 votes

I understand your point of view just fine. When you're in the unhealthy state of mind, however, it looks like the easy way out. And that the easy way out is not a bad thing, because everything else is so, so hard. Your point of view works for your state of mind at this time. It doesn't work when your brain is imbalanced.

DocRedgrave3 votes

In all honesty the only time my brain is ever even close to imbalanced is when i'm hungry. :3

He Who is Pale4 votes

So you aren't suffering from depression, good for you. Other people do suffer from depression and it is not just a 'point of view'.

BloodLynx3 votes

Very well said. I have been dealing with depression for a long time now and absolutely do not like to hear death threats to anyone because I have been in a very dark place before.

One game I was playing, the enemy Diana said in all-chat to report a person because he/she was telling her to kill herself. I told the person to stop and proceeded to chat with the Diana, telling her my story. She had said that her best friend had killed herself not even eight weeks prior, and that it was a sore subject.

You don't know who you are threating with you words and how they will affect that person. Why can't people just be nice to each other?

Doominator102 votes

Upvote for Life

Declined2 votes

This thread certainly deserves my vote.

Xones2 votes

Telling someone to kill themselves is not a death threat, it is a potentially lethal attack.

You can't be fucking serious, what's next? Liking or adding someone on Facebook is rape? This whole generation is a bunch of over-sensitive brats who take offense in everything, i'm not belittling depression, but come on, choose your fucking words.

RedWedding9 votes

In a certain state of mind, it could kill someone. I chose the words I did for a reason. Sometimes, a person is just looking for an excuse- for someone to say that it is okay. This phrase accomplishes that perfectly.

SCC Insanity2 votes

Meanwhile I reported(with ticket) player telling me kill myself with additional homophobic slurs and verbal abuse, ticket got reviewed and answered and a player still playing. Been already a week so i guess he won't be punished. #EUNE

Free Gank Here2 votes

I have to say, in the past week of playing ranked after reaching lvl 30. I've had at least 3 people threaten to kill me, tell me to go kill myself, and the like, I won't go into detail about how many times it happens to others as well. Mostly this happens when we start losing, and they decide to just sit in spawn and chew me out or someone else out specifically. But, I kinda just wanted to get that off my chest. Also not sure if anyone has suggested this before, but the report option needs a death threat report aimed at you/another player, which would need an explanation also to the report.

Heal Team Dude1 votes

IDK

Pawstruck1 votes

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Deathless81C10 votes

Downvoted and reported.

HitsFromTheBomb1 votes

I didn't know how to send this to you, so I'm doing it here.

A few weeks ago, I was perusing the red tracker and came across one of the many "Lyte plz no" threads. I would link it here but I do not want to draw attention to it. OP was saying that they did not deserve bans, as they did not swear and only told people to go kill themselves. Which, according to them, was not that bad.

You escalated their ban to permanent, citing death threats, and OP raged and raged, saying that telling someone to kill themselves was in no way a death threat.

He was right. It isn't a death threat; it is much, much worse.

I have been at a point where if someone had told me to go kill myself, I would have done it. Even if they were some faceless stranger across the internet. I know that others I have played with have been in the same spot. I know that many I haven't even seen would feel the same. Depression is real. Telling someone to kill themselves is not a death threat, it is a potentially lethal attack.

I just wanted to say thank you. I know you get a lot of flak for doing what you do over on the player behavior team, but- at the risk of sounding melodramatic- you may have saved someone's life. So thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

~ RedWedding.

i had someone tell me to kill myself and uninstall today, usual toxic kid madness in this game, i reported and expected nothing much to come of it ... now im wondering if il keep seing him able to play and do this to others or if my report will actually be given this same amount of discipline.....(hes friends of a friend of mine and i spectated him playing two more games after this)

ChokeMeMistress1 votes

It makes me feel bad, and ashamed for times that I've snapped on people. Although I've never told someone to go kill themselves, but I have been a jerk. I've also been on the other side of the spectrum, and once I have been told to "go get cancer, and die" just for being outplayed, and losing lane.

AetherKingdom1 votes

tells someone to kill themselves FBI: FREEZE, YOU'RE UNDER ARREST FOR MURDER inb4 this becomes a real thing

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