Why is everyone crying over mark now?

Berry Állen··43 votes·2,279 views

Is it cause your precious poke team can now be defeated with a little snowball?

42 Comments

Leblancs Boob16 votes

It's a very nice addition that makes the game more fun for melee champions. Before if you got matched against a poke/sustain team it was so frustrating you wanted to afk 20 seconds into the game. Now a ton more champions are viable.

Berry Állen11 votes

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It's a very nice addition that makes the game more fun for melee champions. Before if you got matched against a poke/sustain team it was so frustrating you wanted to afk 20 seconds into the game. Now a ton more champions are viable.

Yes exactly, I love melee champs, even on aram and this just makes it so much more fair. Because every time I got udyr and their team was heavy poke i was just like, great gg.

Onegarion6 votes

Yea i like it. Had a game a few days ago that was 4 melee champs and only 1 poke ability. It was so dumb and completely unfun. Could have used this then :(

Jweldy2 votes

Yeah I like it as well. Makes it possible to actually damage a Velkoz Nidalee Ezreal Syndra Viktor now when you're against them lol.

Onegarion1 votes

Yea it doesn't mean that its perfect, but its been needed for a while. It doesn't happen often, but when games like that happen it makes you want to afk in base and just not leave because there is nothing you can do. Since if you run at them (which we did) you just get kited back and whelp there is no healing on the team so I guess we just stand here and let them hit the tower? Gives everyone chances now to do something .

Ubawesome5 votes

Melee champs were fine in most cases in ARAM. It just depended on the comp, as with all other champs. They went overboard with this spell, giving it damage, a huge range, and a super low cooldown. The tanks that were extremely strong prior to this update have become monsters. ARAM was balanced, now it's not.

chriserit14 votes

melee champs were never fine in ARAM. don't lie. you also know this if you played a game with a melee champ in ARAM.

I agree CD on mark is too low at the moment but this don't mean melee champs were fine

junglerboy162 votes

Out of my past 51 matches of ARAM where I was a melee, I won 25 and lost 26. That isn't a gigantic sample size, but you're pulling facts out of your ass if you think melee champs weren't fine. Sion for one has a 60-61% win rate on ARAM. Malphite and Alistar are and were both at nearly an exact 50% win rate (it dips up and down daily, but evens out over time). Nearly all melee champ had between a 48 and 55% win rate, with only a few standouts (like Udyr at around 39-40%).

Here's something else that will blow your mind: Nidalee, the infamous ARAM poke queen, has a measly 46% winrate.

In fact, the only champions on ARAM who actually live up to their reputation of being totally OP are Sona at a 65% win rate, and Lux at 61% (even Blitz only averaged about 52% on ARAM).

All the people complaining about Infinite poke uber annoying ranged champs were either parroting what somebody told them or simply don't know jack about ARAM, because the idea that melees are weak in ARAM simply has no statistics or facts backing it up.

chriserit1 votes

Malphite and Alistar build full AP in ARAM cause otherwise they are fucked

look at those charts: Aatrox 40% winrate Bard : 31% LeeSin : 40% Khazix : 40% Evelynn : 37% Akali : 39% Tryndamere : 39% RekSai : 39% Elise : 40% Riven : 40% Nocturne : 30-40% Yasuo : 41% Udyr : 40% Poppy : 40% Gnar : 42% Volibear : 42% Rumble : 44% and more

Highest Winrate? Heimerdinger Ziggs KogMaw Sona Lux Fiddlesticks Varus Velkoz Janna Teemo Ashe All with more than 60% winrate (with sona that sometimes reach 70% winrate ... or even more)

there are exception ok but this don't mean melee champs are good. The only melee champs that were good was those with good gap closer and tanky enough to survive in a fight (or just with abilities to survive in a fight ... like talon ult). Sion Galio Talon Nautilus and few more

you're pulling facts out of your ass

well to me seems that you are the one. you can see those charts in both Lolking and OP.gg (2 of those with more data avaiable)

Madra7 votes

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Melee champs were fine in most cases in ARAM. It just depended on the comp, as with all other champs. They went overboard with this spell, giving it damage, a huge range, and a super low cooldown. The tanks that were extremely strong prior to this update have become monsters. ARAM was balanced, now it's not.

If ARAM was so balanced, why did the other team always seem to find a way to have Lux, Ziggs, Teemo, Nidalee or Vel'koz on their team?

Synx75 votes

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Melee champs were fine in most cases in ARAM. It just depended on the comp, as with all other champs. They went overboard with this spell, giving it damage, a huge range, and a super low cooldown. The tanks that were extremely strong prior to this update have become monsters. ARAM was balanced, now it's not.

Played as Darius before they added the snowball. No, i couldnt do shit. I couldnt even reach them to E them without my health going down like crazy,. Stop lying

PalPlays1 votes

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Melee champs were fine in most cases in ARAM. It just depended on the comp, as with all other champs. They went overboard with this spell, giving it damage, a huge range, and a super low cooldown. The tanks that were extremely strong prior to this update have become monsters. ARAM was balanced, now it's not.

Jax is super fun in ARAM, I haven't used Mark/Dash yet though...

LeeDark4 votes

Right... because Sona and Janna with consistent 70% win rate... that's the very definition of balance.

ModWulf Helhammer14 votes

Simple rules of these boards: the complainers are usually more vocal (and the funnier thing is that this was something people were complaining about wanting. Now that those people have it, they've gone on to play more ARAM games and all the people who didn;t want it have now taken their place)

disregardable2 votes

I hated it in poro king (as well as poro king in general). I just got downvoted/ignored when I mentioned it. It's good that the people that hate it are acknowledged now.

LeeDark2 votes

You were acknowledged, and, just like now, roundly hated, for poro king too. Plenty of threads popped up about how stupid the snowball spell was, but most people clearly enjoy it. Sure, sucks for all you people with ARAM accounts that only have poke champs, but oh well.

Pucking Purrfect12 votes

+1.

Now they can't poke melee champs while giving a hug to a turret.

Zmuecat5 votes

But I enjoyed getting a melee character and pretending I was in a bullet hell game for the first X minutes.

GroundRuleDouble12 votes

The people complaining are the ARAM only accounts where they buy only poke mages to abuse the "random" part of it.

Señor Karthus10 votes

Because they focused their accounts on super ranged champions and now they cry because they can be reached. Whine Whine

Deep Terror Nami9 votes

"Don't make the yeti angry. You won't like him when he's angry!" Nunu summoner 31

junglerboy163 votes

Nunu has all the snowballs!

Sirsir6 votes

Yup. I bet dollars to donuts at least half of the complainers are aram specific accounts. And the other half are the normal accounts of the ones that own those accounts.

Admittedly it could use some balancing tweaks. Its up a bit too often. But for the most part people need to learn to play around it. Its like any new mechanic in a game.

junglerboy165 votes

no, it's because that poke that was so annoying before is now available to EVERYONE for no cost (it doesn't even have a decent cooldown). Mark actually made the whole thing feel worse than before because it is even more punishing for the immobile squishy champions (like mages)

Edit: I would be 100% fine with it if they at least made it slightly less hectic like a 40 second cooldown that gets reduced by half when you dash in, that way it isn't just a free poke spell but gets use for the intended purpose of gap closing and engaging, rather than giving everyone a 20 second cooldown uber long range poke ability.

Circuit Bear4 votes

I think its mostly the fact that its just kinda oppressive? in a sense. In that, he does true damage that scales to level, has nidalee range and has a rediculously low cooldown. Throw in warmogs and I have seen people, snowball in, use their abilities, walk away and then warmogs back to health, or build thornmails/mr and just run over the enemy team anytime they land a snowball.

Honestly it feels like we just made it a new form of poke that snowballs(as unintentional as this pun is) too hard. Full bruiser teams just feel almost impossible to deal with in the games I played.

I am glad that melee characters have an option now, but it feels way too consistent. There is no "Oh they are on cooldown" or "Oh its easy to dodge"(Half the time we didn''t notice the snowballs cause the map is the same color pattern making it hard to see.

I think that it is needed to a degree but needs to be tuned properly to not be as oppressive as a poke comp

Dies to Wolves4 votes

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I think its mostly the fact that its just kinda oppressive? in a sense. In that, he does true damage that scales to level, has nidalee range and has a rediculously low cooldown. Throw in warmogs and I have seen people, snowball in, use their abilities, walk away and then warmogs back to health, or build thornmails/mr and just run over the enemy team anytime they land a snowball.

Honestly it feels like we just made it a new form of poke that snowballs(as unintentional as this pun is) too hard. Full bruiser teams just feel almost impossible to deal with in the games I played.

I am glad that melee characters have an option now, but it feels way too consistent. There is no "Oh they are on cooldown" or "Oh its easy to dodge"(Half the time we didn''t notice the snowballs cause the map is the same color pattern making it hard to see.

I think that it is needed to a degree but needs to be tuned properly to not be as oppressive as a poke comp

the true damage it does is pretty low. Nidalee poke hurts a LOT more with even lower cooldown. You're talking about them poke, retreat and heal; well, that's exactly what champions like nidalee do in this game already. Now it's just not one sided anymore; garen doesn't have the burden of just trying to dodge enemy poke while being useless to his team, now he has a chance to also go in and deal some damage too.

Full bruiser teams feel almost impossible to deal with? What do you think full poke teams felt like to play against?

There's no "oh they are on cooldown" or "oh it's easy to dodge (half the time we didn't notice the snowballs)", meanwhile nidalee? it has a 6 second cooldown PRE cooldown reduction - and there's the whole invisible spears bug too :^) snowball's cooldown is longer, the projectile is thinner and the speed is slower than pretty much every other poke out there

why can't it be as ppressive as a poke comp? Why does poke need to be the definite oppressive comp that always wins?

FirexSaber3 votes

Well personally, I find everything in ARAM to be really chaotic now. Especially with how quickly it comes up. Granted, it could just be something to get used to/ people calming the fuck down over time, but my last ARAM match my expression was generally: O_O

Remember kids, just because you hit the snowball, doesn't mean you need to take it.

It's all a matter of taste though. A lot of people like the extra chaos, other people don't. Jinx

Sirsir2 votes

Yeah it reminds me why I don't play Lee sin xD

FirexSaber3 votes

Imagine One For All Lee Sin with the snowball.

Sirsir1 votes

My mind is telling me no...

Kalarepa3 votes

Meanwhile poke/heal champion still dominate ARAM top win rate and melee are at the bottom.

Kikirino3 votes

I liked it before damn near everyone, poke teams included, had it on all 5 players. Instead of it being situational it seems to be the go to spell make makes ARAM a waiting game. Someone land a snowball on a good target? Go in. Miss or hit a bad target? Wait 30 seconds and try again.

This new playstyle is so fucking boring.

RavenKouhai3 votes

honestly, a majority of complainers are just angry that their op ranged picks can be beaten early game now.

Cindikle2 votes

I've done fine with poke team still. (No this isn't an ARAM account, nor would I make one.)

Doesn't mean anything about the balance of the ability. It's just too strong in it's current form.

Melee needed the help, I'll agree to that. But this really has changed the mode a lot.

Berry Állen2 votes

All you people commenting are all so reasonable and i love it. Not seeing anyone crying about how their poke team lost to melee and thinking they should have won if ONLY there was no snowball. I've been playing aram so much for about 2 years now and this is an awesome addition. Yes i think that its sometimes unfair now that huge bruisers can just snowball their way in and F you up but I think its a great addition because, I no longer have to just sit under the turret and wait for our loss/surrender. Just give it a longer cooldown and shorter range and we're fine. Everyone has a chance at fighting back now and all the aram accounts and the so called "aram vets" think they're too hardcore to let something new in.

SerBlaise1 votes

The top post of the day (4/30) complaining about it is satire.

IceKingChernobog1 votes

because ARAM was so healthy when you had the enemy team that consisted of Lissandra Cassiopeia Jayce Sivir Lulu and all they had to do was poke you down to win. This actually give the tanks or non mobile/non poke champs a chance in ARAM

Solaxo1 votes

It has a bit too long range but I like it

kunkudunk1 votes

They are crying cause all of their separate aram accounts don't work or cause it make alistar and sej really good idk.

LankPants1 votes

It doesn't actually fix any problems, just passes them down the line. Sure less mobile melee's are useful now but now immobile ranged champs feel worthless because of how easy it is for people to get on top of them now.

NoMonku1 votes

Yes. I say it is mainly that reason. Poke champions no longer have easy safety to abuse the enemy endlessly with ease.

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