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"Every Game Is Winnable"

Xonra··91 votes·8,757 views

Get in champ select, everyone is super nice, but one guy doesn't talk. Waits till after ban and asks "Hey, can I support?" I as the support, and them as the jungle, I say "Usually I'd be fine, but I'm really bad at jungling, is the only role I don't play in ranked and main support". They didn't respond or say anything else until it is his/her turn to pick.

So I lock in Alistar, mid locks in Talon. So far so good. We get to jungle, he locks in Morgana and goes "I'm going support". Instantly, we are like...uh....no.

So mid being the bro they are says "it's fine, I'll jungle, Morg you can mid, I assume you don't want to jungle". Morg says nothing, everyone else picks as normal.

We get in game, I buy my items, go bot. Morg buys item 3302 and runs bot and sits in bot bush. So we are like, fuck. So I do the best thing I can think, fuck it I'll go mid, Talon already has smite, he jungles. Then Morg proceeds to troll bot, trying to take all the cs from the adc, and just randomly keeps shooting their Q on cooldown at their own tower. Hits level 8, runs mid and sits right in the middle of the lane shooting Qs at our tower, then afks for the rest of the game at around lvl 10 (thank god the enemy mid laner was too busy being bm to me to kill Morg).

Every game is NOT winnable, and while I'm okay with losing, I'm not when the game starts at a handicap with someone that manages to troll, int, AND afk, all in one giant moron. People like this are why I also have no faith in riot's ban system, because this guy is clearly a troll.

131 Comments

Lauchmelder97 votes

Every game with normal players/decent human beings is winable*

Xonra33 votes

You got me there

Lauchmelder13 votes

My last ranked game was such a game btw. Every lane had a hard time, our jungler was tilted and spammed the surrender vote.

We won after we grouped because I outclassed the Fiora and our botlane where mechanically better than theirs. Plus we had 2 exhausts ready.

Winable yes, wasn't that enjoyable with a tilted mid and jungler though.

Quannari2 votes

Same type of situations happen with me. Usually my buddy and I feel confident with our macro-play and our personal abilities so we think we can come up with win conditions. Most times it is the toxicity of the other players that make us want to surrender and move on.

BLACK REALM GOD2 votes

i spam the surrender vote anyway. i have a theory that it urges players to continue playing since they know we're not going to be able to surrender for another 5 or so minutes.

my theory is based on the fact that players tend to do better and eventually we win. weird interaction, but it's worked 5-6 times

Painted Celt2 votes

What about when my brother starts downloading a game on his xbox and running windows update on his pc, while two other people decide to start watching Netflix, and suddenly my ping is 1300ms? Sometimes one or more players on a team will have constant disconnects, or unplayable latency, or power outages, or bug splats, or hardware issues...

Fortunately for me, I don't get upset when it happens. I just take it as a reminder that League is just a game. You can't win every match, but you shouldn't expect to. Healthy pessimism prevents disappointment.

TheSingularity9 votes

Theoretically winnable*

In some cases it's simply illogical verging on the point of stupidity. However that's circumstantial. EG a team of Thresh Sion Veigar Kled Draven that all have 10 kills each in 12 minutes. In theory, you could win if their entire team dced or decided "fuck it let's FF". In reality it's illogical to think victory is possible.

Fisher No Chains14 votes

Not in high elo I suppose.
Stop pretending to win every game, please.

There's something that tilts me A LOT, and it's when the game is 20-4, we have 0 dragons and not a single turret (whereas the enemy team has like 6), and people vote no for surr vote. I mean, what the fuck? Why should I waste time into a game where the enemy team has a 10k gold lead in 18 mins, and eventually lose at min 40 (and 90% of the time we still lose) when I could play 2 more games that could be close/balanced and not a complete stomp?

Lauchmelder9 votes

A lot of games can be won and certainly are winable.

Is it worth trying in the case you said? No. It can still be won, but if it means you have to stall for another 50 minutes you better start a new game.

This question is not about having a possibility for a win, it's about being realistic about it.

Fisher No Chains12 votes

Too bad that this "never surrender" mood is way too popular right now.

People don't understand when a game isn't just worth it anymore. Personally, I hate being killed every time I'm out of base just because my team likes to vote no just to waste time.

Right now it's just a stomp or get stomped 90% of the time. If the enemy team has a lead, especially in higher elos, they won't let you come back into the game easily.

Lauchmelder4 votes

I can totally understand this. If a game isn't fun you want out of it, maybe into another one, maybe you want to stop for a while to get off tilt/cool down.

I think there are too few people who look at games objectively. There are too many players who want to surrender because they lost lane and thus the game is over regardless of how that player's teammates are doing.

And there are too many people who never surrender no matter what.

I mainly play lategame focused champions or straight up lategame hypercarries (Cassiopeia, Gangplank, Azir, etc.). It is extremely frustrating when people surrender before you hit a meaningful spike just because they lost their lanes. This is the reason I never surrender at 20 unless they already have 2 of our inhibs.

People who never surrender gotta learn to give up games when they are pretty much a decided loss already, and people who surrender a lot gotta grow some patience and play the game for 5-10 more minutes. Maybe your teammate performs better than anyone else. Maybe he doesn't. At least you gave him a chance.

Aimléss3 votes

You might win one of those kinda games every 30 times it happens. If I ff'd at 20 all 30 times, I'd probably save like 6 hours of my time, making up for the lp I wouldn've gained from that one win I ff'd on BY FFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRR!

BladeSingularity1 votes

When a comment has more upvotes than the actual post...

korg02315 votes

Whenever i hear "every game is winnable" i cringe so hard. No its not, not every game is winnable and when i start surrender vote you better accpet it or you will watch me ignore enemy team and let them finish faster.

ˉˉˉˉˉˉ3 votes

That is against the rules, and reportable.

But fuck it, if they are 10 towers and 2 inhibs in without us having sieged even one tower, my team better hit yes to surrender. Else... the above.

Leetri4 votes

Every game is theoretically winnable. The real question is whether or not it's realistically winnable. I've had games where I was pretty much guaranteed to lose but still won because someone on the enemy team rage quit or DC'd. That's a very slim percentage however, most of the time you're not gonna get that lucky. The main issue is that people surrender WAY too quickly. They die twice in lane from being careless and then demand that the rest of the team surrenders even though it's very much still realistically winnable. I've had a ton of games where someone tries to surrender way too quickly and end up getting carried because the rest of the team didn't give up.

SpelingMistakee12 votes

Wow you're really unlucky

Xonra9 votes

Sometimes you just can't avoid the trolls and a-holes. And sometimes it is hard to flat out spot them until it is too late to do anything about it.

LankPants11 votes

"Every game is winnable" is more a useful mantra than an actual fact. If you believe every game can be won you'll try harder to win even games that seem unwinnable and maybe even turn some of them.

EarthyMadness6 votes

Kayn mid, gets laned against Heimer.

Heimer comes bot 6/0/2 and shreds us (we were already struggling because I had to go help the jungler so bot had free cs and push)

"Kayn is a viable mid pick" - 3/12/2 at 15 minutes, never forget

TwitchInMyPants7 votes

Kayn was played in LCS successfully, though some random solo q goon that didn't bother to research the champion and pretended he was playing Zed likely had no idea what he was doing. You're supposed to use corrupting/DFT to rush one of your form upgrades and max W so you can lovetap your enemy laner from out of their range for 5 ticks instead of 1. Then you basically play it like a Talon where you clear your wave then dip out of lane to gank people rather than attempting to lane vs a ranged punisher while getting no value out of tools like your E.

EarthyMadness3 votes

Apparently they're taking Corrupting away from Kayn, making it so the extra ticks don't give orbs. Rip laner kayn next patch.

The Ecdysiast5 votes

Whoever told you every game is winnable is flat out wrong.

Think of it like poker. The skill involved is knowing when to do what and bluff well, but all of the good calls and blank expressions amount to nothing if the hand is terrible.

Same thing here. There is nothing a lone player can do to overcome a bad ally situation, assuming they're not smurfing for their self esteem.

Jonxx4 votes

It's not really about thinking that every game is winnable, it's more about having a mindset, where you won't get discouraged at every little thing, and try your best every time, leading to higher winratio. And having positive winratio is a key to steady climbing.

Malicious Fury4 votes

Idk how many games I've had where people get auto-filled to a position they don't want then feel entitled to troll the whole game. >:-(

Xonra2 votes

Yeah that seemed to be the issue looking at said person's match history. They ONLY play Mid or support (And a few cases where their were, again, two supports in game, meaning they've done this before).

inuitmailman4 votes

They can always forfeit to you so technically every game is winnable

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Or they could also have a troll. Or you could so grossly outclass them that they have no chance even with you having a troll.

The Ecdysiast5 votes

If you outclass them enough that a 4v5 isn't a hinderance, then you shouldn't have been matched with them in the first place.

CasterGilgamesh3 votes

riot match making is bad anyway

coeurloyal4 votes

It's true that there are unwinnable games, but on the flipside there are a lot of people that give up too easily. A lost lane =/= a lost game, and it drives me insane when a solo-laner starts spamming the surrender vote because they're feeding. That can be played around and that game can still be won in under 40 minutes, but they don't care because they aren't dumpstering their lane. If you throw out a surrender vote and it fails, don't proceed to int or spam the vote every 5 minutes. If four people are telling you this game is still winnable, shut up and do your best to help them get there.

Xonra1 votes

Truth. This is totally not a "this sucks I give up" scenario. I even tried to take Alistar with support item start and support masteries mid, so I wasn't about to give up. That doesn't mean I believed I could win either, just to be clear. I didn't want to tilt my teammates further by being whiny, or arguing with them or pitching a fit they were trolling, and so on.

But, that didn't make the game any more winnable, plus all my teammates (outside of the Morg) honored me after the game, so there was that.

coeurloyal1 votes

TBH, I would have ff@20 in your shoes as soon as I saw them start farming. I come from the camp that refuses to give up before the nexus falls, but your situation was 100% unwinnable IMO. I hope I didn't sound like I was accusing you of giving up; I was just commenting on the general thread discussion. Sounds to me like you and the Talon tried to make it work-- so kudos to both of you.

ModCaptainMårvelous3 votes

You didn't finish the quote.

Every game is winnable. Not every game is winnable after a certain point though. Sometimes it's as early as champ select.

Aeszarck1 votes

{quoted}

You didn't finish the quote.

Every game is winnable. Not every game is winnable after a certain point though. Sometimes it's as early as champ select.

I agree. If there's an angry troll in your lobby and you, as the smooth silvertongue you are, manage to talk him out of intentionally feeding before the match begins, then you've greatly increased your chances of winning.

Xonra2 votes

This doesn't really apply to my above situation unfortunately, as we tried, but they weren't talking/responding (because they probably knew someone would dodge if they made their intentions of trolling obvious).

Xonra2 votes

Well the problem was, the certain point was our third pick in champion select :P

Every game is winnable if everyone is trying to win.

Every game isn't winnable if everyone isn't trying to win.

Tzuyuuuuuu3 votes

This is the most toxic type of player, this is even worse then the type who flames people, at least you put those guys on ignore and they would still try to win the game. But this type is just the cancer you can't do anything about even if you guys try you're best to win any situation, this type of player should get the worst punishment there is.

Just because you're not saying anything in-game doesn't mean you're not toxic.

Starcraft243ver2 votes

Every game is NOT winnable, and while I'm okay with losing, I'm not when the game starts at a handicap with someone that manages to troll, int, AND afk, all in one giant moron. People like this are why I also have no faith in riot's ban system, because this guy is clearly a troll.

I've managed to win games where there was an inter. I managed to lose a 3v5 (while being on the 5 players team). And it was plat+ elo. Everything is possible.

But yeah, if you have 1 inter, 2 afk and your last mate is building like he's playing ultimate bravery, you have some good chances to lose.

Not sure what is your point here. Not every game is winnable, but you always get more chances to win if you try-hard whatever happens rather than if you abandon and quit trying to win.

Also you dont need to win every game to climb. You just need to win a bit more than you lose. And that's totaly doable.

rtbf2256182412 votes

You know, one thing you learn through these meaningless ranks over time is that it takes skill to recognize when you can't win.

Werdx2 votes

{quoted}

Get in champ select, everyone is super nice, but one guy doesn't talk. Waits till after ban and asks "Hey, can I support?" I as the support, and them as the jungle, I say "Usually I'd be fine, but I'm really bad at jungling, is the only role I don't play in ranked and main support". They didn't respond or say anything else until it is his/her turn to pick.

So I lock in Alistar, mid locks in Talon. So far so good. We get to jungle, he locks in Morgana and goes "I'm going support". Instantly, we are like...uh....no.

So mid being the bro they are says "it's fine, I'll jungle, Morg you can mid, I assume you don't want to jungle". Morg says nothing, everyone else picks as normal.

We get in game, I buy my items, go bot. Morg buys item 3302 and runs bot and sits in bot bush. So we are like, fuck. So I do the best thing I can think, fuck it I'll go mid, Talon already has smite, he jungles. Then Morg proceeds to troll bot, trying to take all the cs from the adc, and just randomly keeps shooting their Q on cooldown at their own tower. Hits level 8, runs mid and sits right in the middle of the lane shooting Qs at our tower, then afks for the rest of the game at around lvl 10 (thank god the enemy mid laner was too busy being bm to me to kill Morg).

Every game is NOT winnable, and while I'm okay with losing, I'm not when the game starts at a handicap with someone that manages to troll, int, AND afk, all in one giant moron. People like this are why I also have no faith in riot's ban system, because this guy is clearly a troll.

Every game is winnable.That is fairy tale told told by people who do premades and who have 70% and higher winrate.

You simply cant carry games with every single champion there is.

What can you do as Sona when your team is bad?

What can you do when you ping for 5 minutes straight 'help' and your jungler ignores you,he keep helping mid lane,and our mid laner has no issues winning.

What can you do when you face hardcore counter?All it takes on opposite team to keep you from carry is for him to be skilled same as you.That is only one player,what about rest 4?

What can you do when you die 3 times to toplaner and his jungler,10 minutes into game,and your jungler completely ignores going and helping you,even after you managed to take down enemy to 5% hp,but he has awesome escaping abilities,and you do not.So after 10 minutes of trying to take him down,you either die to his jungler or you take him down to literally 4 hp.He run away,come back and here we go again,jungler nowhere to be seen on top,dude freely keep casting,and dancing and whatever,because he cant kill me.He alone cant,and oh wait,what we have ere,oh its his jungler of course.This right here has happened this morning.

CurlyCrusader2 votes

Every game is winnable, but my line when I want to surrender is "I'd rather not play a 50 minute game for a 10% chance of winning."

The Ecdysiast4 votes

Whoever said every game is winnable just plain lied. If your team is far enough behind, then your only chance to win is if it gets to the point where your items are up to par with the enemies'. And even then, you only stand a chance if your champions scale harder AND the enemies make a massive mistake that they, up until that point, haven't made.

Xonra1 votes

I think a lot of this mindset here (not yours, the person you responded to) comes from previous seasons where being down 5k gold in solo queue DIDN'T mean you auto lost. The game was more favorable for poke and waveclear champs that could stall a game. It didn't have the "minions are stronger and push harder if you are already winning, making them win harder", and the multiple levels of "win harder, snowball harder" mechanics added. The majority of the player base still hasn't caught up to the game mindset wise, so they still go with "just stall, farm up, and catch up", when that isn't what they game is anymore, or at least no where near that same extent, and most certainly not in solo queue.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

You're completely right, and it all started around the same time:

Season 4's jungle changes. The swap of dragon's reward to a stacking buff made it near impossible to accomplish a turnaround if the enemy had most dragons. The elemental dragons are just as powerful if it happens to spawn infernals and mountains. Following those lines, the rest of the game has been changed to make it harder and harder to turn games around, and reward ending games earlier.

53012 votes

Yeah it's more like: some games are impossible to win, some are impossible to lose. What really matters: the ones that are in between, which would be the other games that aren't the other two. However, the higher the rank, there is a less chance of throws due to slightly less mistakes. Yes there is a difference between bronze, silver, gold, platinum, diamond 5, diamond 3, diamond 1, etc. even if it isn't really obvious

"Every game is winnable" seems like something you would say when smurfing in a much less competent MMR - like "every bronze 4 games should be winnable for a plat 2 player" as opposed to something like "every plat 2 game is winnable for a plat 2 player"

Captainn Ginyu2 votes

bet money that dude isint punished ether

Siegfriedx11 votes

The point is that people in league love to use excuses to justify why they lose.

The problem is not to lose when you have this Morgana on your team. The problem is the top laner dying 5 times in 10 minutes and saying he lost because of Morgana. Is the mid laner losing a trade level 1 and getting outfarmed just to blame morgana for the lost.

People love to hide on the evident bad to put a shadow on their personal worst.

The Ecdysiast2 votes

Even with either of those situations, the Morgana is the biggest contributor to the loss. The troll is always at fault because that's the fact. Losing lane phase can be played around in the team fights. But a 4v5 can't.

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