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Urf, sadly proving what I knew about this community

Xonra··67 votes·6,945 views

In the past year, this community as a whole has been getting progressively worse, and just seeing how people are acting this year in URF compared to last year just makes it even more clear.

I played every day last year of URF, it was a blast, everyone had fun, and sure there were a few "try hards" but it made it amusing.

This year, I have people going afk because they die a few times, people raging because the champ they wanted was banned and intentionally feed, constant salt, and even had 2 different people in two separate games accusing our team of cheating (they weren't joking) because we won so hard.

I was so excited for URF - A break from Ranked and the ragers - or so I thought. It is no different, just the same ragers, same trolls, same people going afk when things don't go their way...and it is depressing. The community is going downhill because of many reasons I won't list off and make this thread any longer, but I'm just really bummed about it, because seeing how people are acting in URF mode even...just...guh.

I can say 100% that from last year to this year (if we are simply comparing URF, and using that as a baseline), the community is twice as bad, as I maybe saw one or two salty people in the entire time I played last year...this year, I see one or two in maybe every 2-3 games. I'm sad now. :(

133 Comments

Radnar the bold11 votes

why do people let teamate get to them so bad? when i play urf I have this mentality "have fun and fuck shit up". I dont care about op pick or this or that, i have fun with whatever champ i have. I think its getting worse that people just seem to complain about things rather than find the good stuff. I enjoyed playing urf with my buddy the other day and Ill enjoy the next gamemode.

Xonra6 votes

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why do people let teamate get to them so bad? when i play urf I have this mentality "have fun and fuck shit up". I dont care about op pick or this or that, i have fun with whatever champ i have. I think its getting worse that people just seem to complain about things rather than find the good stuff. I enjoyed playing urf with my buddy the other day and Ill enjoy the next gamemode.

People are just competitive with every aspect of this game now, which is both good and horrible in some cases.

I see people complaining about ARAM still and how it is "unfair" somehow, and grumping about OP champs while I beat those OP champs with Cait lol

I love this mode and enjoy the hell out of it, but I just wish there were less salty complainers.

Daen11 votes

People are just competitive with every aspect of this game now, which is both good and horrible in some cases.

Competition and community quality are not the same thing. I know you aren't necessarily insinuating this, but it's important to make sure people understand that. There are highly competitive games like Starcraft that have historically had reasonably good communities, and in a lot of cases competition actually brings out good qualities in people.

The problem is that competition without effective regulation and community-building features just ends up being a slugfest. No one can really form connections with each other in League, so every game feels entirely separate and in its own little bubble. There's nothing connecting us to each other, and psychologically speaking it's a big part of the problem.

If we were to use a real-world example, imagine a terrible neighborhood. There is gang violence, it's well below the poverty line, everything is crumbling, etc. What are some of the ways you would go into that neighborhood and improve the community, assuming infinite resources?

Personally, I would say that implementing schools, well-known businesses, infrastructure like roads and clean housing, etc. would be the single most effective way to improve the neighborhood. In League of Legends terms, this would be implementing training opportunities, robust guild/clan functionality, better ways to connect individually with each other through private messaging and a better friend list, a revamped client interface, etc.

What do you think?

Angry Monster4 votes

Most people do not play team starcraft, Its a l v l game.

Daen2 votes

While this is true, it shouldn't necessarily be such a significant factor that it turns League of Legends into one of the worst communities in multiplayer gaming. There are, in my mind, two main factors that contribute to the fact our community is perceived as being so terrible:

  • Improper infrastructure - This is basically what I mentioned above.
  • Improperly measured skill level - This is way more complex, but I can detail it with the following explanation.

Say you rank all players on a scale of 1-20 on a per-game basis; 1 is basically intentionally feeding and 20 is literally perfect play in that particular game. Let's assume we take one player as a sample across 5 games, assuming an average skill level of 8 (Gold V).

8 - 15 - 6 - 4 - 7

This isn't entirely uncommon, by the way. Let's say this player mains mid lane and got it on his first two picks; he happened to be super focused in game 2 and played like a Diamond for that one game, but his other games fell short of his average. He's still Gold V due to his generally subpar play, but he has flashes of brilliance due to poor mechanics.

Imagine a long series of games, with each player being this inconsistent. A huge number of matchups could be something like 15 (Diamond) vs 4 (Bronze) within the same skill bracket, which obviously isn't ideal. My theory here is that a robust instructional/challenge series would allow players to become more consistent within their bracket.

Let's assume that this Gold V player is now consistent in last hitting, general positioning, map awareness, etc by utilizing these instructional tools. The numbers might be more like the following:

8 - 10 - 6 - 7 - 9

The largest spread now is 6 (high Silver) vs 10 (mid Gold), as opposed to 4 (high Bronze) vs 15 (low Diamond). This is super theoretical, of course, but the point I'm trying to make is that ways to become more consistent can potentially have a dramatic effect on the atmosphere of gameplay.

Angry Monster2 votes

Your missing the point of stress and not having an emotional connection with people in game.

Daen2 votes

Facetious remark incoming.

Performance under stress is a calculation, as such:

(K+ S)/A=P

K = Knowledge S = Skill A = Ability to handle stress P = Performance

High values in K and S will always result in an overall higher level of performance, and being more consistent in these values results in a generally high level of consistency.

As far as the emotional connection is concerned, how do you propose this gets resolved short of methods to connect with each other outside of each compartmentalized game experience?

I Main Swain4 votes

So what your are saying is if I can KS I should do well ;P

Daen1 votes

Hahaha yes. Totally.

4srs, what I'm saying is that having a better overall baseline of knowledge and skill allows players to become more consistent, in theory resulting in more accurate matchmaking and thus less frustration about perceived fairness.

Angry Monster2 votes

This totally makes no sense and has nothing to do with stress and people taking it out on others. I am sry but you went on a tangent to make believe.

Without emotional connection people do not really care about others. I am only nice cause i understand that people freaking out on strangers is counter productive. I yell at my Voip crew cause i do know them and they get complacent(and i cant get suspended).

Your stress equation is a great piece of useless theory. It useless because every variable is different for every player. Also some humans do not get distracted by stress but it bring out their inner potential, they feed on stress. Also it has nothing to do with the conversation how and why we treat people we do.

No one really cares about anyone else in league from a match. The proof is how many random people do you add to your friends list? Out of how many games?

Your to worried about some statistical reason and formal. You need to look to human nature which is not a formula no matter what scientist tell you. Science can not tell you why people will loot in 1 senerio and then in another people just help in a different.

Daen1 votes

The idea of human nature is really complicated, and it's something that doesn't have a huge body of research behind it. As I mentioned below that equation was basically a joke, but I wanted to touch on one comment of yours in particular:

Without emotional connection people do not really care about others. I am only nice cause i understand that people freaking out on strangers is counter productive. I yell at my Voip crew cause i do know them and they get complacent(and i cant get suspended).

One thing we do know about human nature is that many social interactions are the result of a subconscious weighing of personal morality vs potential gain. Through laws and generally agreed upon ethics many people have similar personal morality structures, but this obviously doesn't apply to everyone. Many people do generally lean towards neutrality or positivity in daily life, and we are naturally predisposed towards emotionally connecting with each other.

No one really cares about anyone else in league from a match. The proof is how many random people do you add to your friends list? Out of how many games?

In my mind, this actually points to a much greater overall problem, and one that can be solved by fixing the first bullet point in my earlier comment: improper infrastructure. With a real life example, we can assume that each game is a locked room. People can look through a window to see what's happening in the room, but only if they know the person in the room and specifically know to look for that room. Once the game ends, everyone that was in the room effectively disappears. You can text the people that were in there, but you can't interact with them in any way past that.

Back to League of Legends, this is basically how games work. Each game is an insulated experience, and there is very little that players can use to connect with each other outside of these instanced games. The reason it's kind of pointless to add randoms is that you aren't likely to ever see them again, and they take up one of 200 somewhat precious slots (depending on how often you add people and how large your circle is).

TL;DR, I think it's inaccurate to say that no one cares about anyone else in League of Legends between matches. I'm a relatively calculating individual, and I still get a huge amount of pleasure from chatting with my teammates/enemies and having a good time. I never want to be the source of anyone else's bad experiences in the game, and I try really hard to be someone that people enjoy playing with. I don't always succeed, but ultimately I do care about the other players.

Raptamei1 votes

The problem is the basic MOBA setup where your own experience gets less fun when someone you don't know is failing. As you say, people don't care about those they don't know. Perhaps they don't even consider them human.

When the axe guy on the screen does something stupid that results in a 50 second timeout for you, it's no different than a blue screen that forces you to restart or your car not starting the first 5 times you turn the key. Or some AI kart in Mario Kart shooting a blue shell one turn before the finish line. Repeat several times and you're mad at your screen. Your brain doesn't accept that the character on the computer screen isn't AI controlled.

Daen1 votes

Your brain doesn't accept that the character on the computer screen isn't AI controlled.

Which begs the question, why is it so difficult for our brains to make the connection of "this is an actual person" when playing League of Legends?

Angry Monster1 votes

i already answered this, emotional careing.

Occams Raiser1 votes

Where does "T = Troll" fit in to your equation?

Daen2 votes

Troll is a boolean, so the equation would be better expressed as such:

if T = 1 P = 0 else (P=(K+ S)/A)

Occams Raiser1 votes

you can have more than one troll. T times X = inversely proportionate to fun = F. We mess around long enough we might actually solve the problem of League with math. That would be weird.

Daen1 votes

if T = 1 P = 0 else ( P = ( K + S ) / A )

TX = 1 / F

While the equation you put forth is solid, we need to ensure we're able to differentiate between different types of trolling. Through careful research and polling I have deduced that troll action is five times as damaging to performance as verbal abuse, expressed as such:

T = ( V + 5A) / 5

The new equation becomes the following:

P = ( K + S ) / (A + T)

Occams Raiser1 votes

Looks like we are ready to submit to Riot. They seem to think 1% toxicity is a negligible factor.

Occams Raiser2 votes

1v1 Is ONE of the most significant factors. How do you troll, harass, or otherwise mess with someone else in a 1v1 scenario? The toxicity comes from being reliant on other people and being constantly let down. I real life when someone screws up they don't have anonymity to hide behind. You have 10 different personalities in each game. And on a regular basis you have someone on your team actively working against you. How would you feel if you were getting hustled in the real world by someone on your team that was secretly working for the other side. I KNOW YOU WOULD KICK HIS ASS. Or want to anyway. If you didn't, YOU ARE THAT PERSON.

TT311 votes

Why won't my upvote button click more than once!?

A Miss Fortune5 votes

I agree, URF is just for having fun. I played Leblanc but even though I could I didn't go around one shotting people, I just went around juking people and just doing funny stuff not intentionally killing the other team just because I could with my Q on like a 1 second cooldown.

SeductiveGrandpa8 votes

Finally, a person that does what me and my friend do! Yesterday, me and my pal would go Hecarim and Evelynn just to see how fast we could go, my friend constantly maintained 800 MS and kept avoiding the enemy team's skill shots while I would just charge E then run away while making helicopter noises. I was having a blast.

Occams Raiser2 votes

You are that guy that everyone hates. There needs to be a place for losers to go to be together. You not to be mean. I mean.... you literally just said you came to lose. You think your enjoyment can only be achieved once you have given up on victory, but you are playing with others in an environment that has a win or lose factor in it. Riot needs to make a mosh pit room that doesn't end for people like you your kind. You can drop in and out fucking about, there is no nexus and the turrets shoot half as fast. You can learn mechanics, or 1 v 1 others like I see people ask for all the time, as if that meant anything. Losers and trolls around every corner.

HavelDaRock2 votes

I see this, and I agree but at the same time it seems almost like a excuse for people who are toxic in the community to keep acting this way.

I just haven't seen any active moves by Rito to find a solution to the pure toxic part of the League Community. Everytime it gets brought up they just pretend it doesnt exist and move on.

Occams Raiser3 votes

They are making money. It doesn't exist to them. The only factors that exist to them are the ones that effect their pocket books. I wonder how that tribunal upgrade is going? LOLOLOLOL

Migrañaboy10 votes

Guys, URF should be kept permanently because it's chill mode and never toxic.

All of my keks.

Drackolus6 votes

I haven't gotten this very often in the last two days I played. I really think this problem is from low mmr. The toxicity goes down with the number of wins. It doesn't go away, but it definitely goes down.

Hugh Drectum6 votes

See I didnt play, but could tell this would be ruined like everything else LYTE approves. Everything from my understanding is tested then approved to be sent here by him. Tribunal, to Leave buster, to the STATE OF MIND " TOXIC ".

Lyte is the issue. He has let the 14 year olds ruin a game based on profit needs for LC$

I played since beta, and HEAR everything you just said bro. Games almost done, more people boting then playing now a days. Before Lyte, I never had a single staff issue...Now try to get a personal response from any one....Pfft.

Siachi6 votes

Lyte don't do game modes, mate. The other stuff you mentioned, sure he's had a hand in, but I'm 90% sure he doesn't do any work for game modes.

Hugh Drectum2 votes

{quoted}

Lyte don't do game modes, mate.

Clearly. Nothing i said had any relavencee to a GAME MODE

Radnar the bold9 votes

someone got a ban by lyte teehee

Hugh Drectum2 votes

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someone got a ban by lyte teehee

I wish... i have openly ASKED to be perma muted... Opened FIRE at Lyte on several occasions any response STILL REMAINS TO BE SEEN. I HAVE NEVER SEEN HIM POST ON OUR BOARDS....only on REDDIT...A highly government monitored site.

If he at least banned me for when I openly broke rules, he would have shown the ability to lead.

Now i just sit back and let the community fall apart under his tyrannical dictatorship. No need to break rules now, everyone else sees the issues and eventually it will be handled.

TonyTonyMordecai3 votes

Looks like someone didn't have Lyte pour the milk into his Cheerios this morning...

Hugh Drectum2 votes

{quoted}

Looks like someone didn't have Lyte pour the milk into his Cheerios this morning...

Tony....First. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crgIpAhUjpU

2nd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crgIpAhUjpU

Now that you have contributed the max of your vocal comprehension...( based on the max 3 line posts you leave places. )

Not at any point did I turn this into a flame thread, or even stretch a fact. So I am literally sitting here with a puzzled face. I have a 161 IQ and cant comprehend how it is all you children got to this point.

Maybe try reading out loud? From day to day I see more and more people fail, at comprehending third grade reading level materials. The entirety of this post has nothing to do with where all these " Intellectuals " brought this conversation.

I am bouncing...and now for a 3rd time for good fun to the idiots whom couldn't carry on conversation without trying to make facts personal and bash people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crgIpAhUjpU

It is just too bad, that this is the mass majority of the people on our boards now...Vs what the community used to be.

TonyTonyMordecai4 votes

Want me to go grab a bucket to help drain your river of tears?

And don't hate on what I say. I'm grrrreat. That's why they call me Tony.

Anidan3 votes

Claims he has an IQ of 161, and then proceeds to smear that feces-spattered flag he's waving that declares that fact all over the English language in an attempt to prove it.

No, but seriously: Stop using ellipses, you're not using them right. Also, you didn't use the word "whom" properly in that sentence. It'd be way more impressive to use that near-archaic word actually, y'know, correctly. "Whom" is used as an object to the verb, however, in your sentence the word "idiots" is a subject, and there is nothing actually acting upon them; therefore, "whom" in your context is incorrect and should changed to "who." To reword it in such a way that "whom" would be proper: "I am bouncing. For the 3rd time, for good fun to the idiots, of whom could not carry on a conversation without trying to make facts personal and bash people." [Editor's Note: There, I even added grammatical consistency between the lack of a contractions constant throughout your post and the contraction later in the sentence. I also fixed some syntactical issues.]

Also: you turned this into a Lyte-flaming thread very, very early on. Your first post, in fact. it was pretty blatant. You sure about that 161 IQ of yours?

Hugh Drectum2 votes

{quoted}

Lyte don't do game modes, mate. The other stuff you mentioned, sure he's had a hand in, but I'm 90% sure he doesn't do any work for game modes.

You re edit this, and still again finish it with an irrelevant comment regarding game modes.... Can't tell if serious or just stupid.

Siachi3 votes

Eh; I'll admit; been sick for the past couple of days, so between the medication and skimming over the thread, my thought process was "Thread has URF in the title, so must be a conversation about the game mode" and "There is a comment blaming Lyte".

So yeah, that's a personal failure on my part, sticking my foot into something without paying attention.

Hugh Drectum2 votes

{quoted}

Eh; I'll admit; been sick for the past couple of days, so between the medication and skimming over the thread, my thought process was "Thread has URF in the title, so must be a conversation about the game mode" and "There is a comment blaming Lyte".

So yeah, that's a personal failure on my part, sticking my foot into something without paying attention.

Im leaving because you are all retarded. The conversation is about TOXIC unappealing behavior in game. I made it clear and my point was 100% on the button. Anything related to THESE issues has direct ties with Lyte approving what is being added to the game. So now that clearly MOST people who read this got **MAD **before even comprehending what was said, you got your two cents in.

Glad you are apart of my community, they have therapist for teaching you how to control your puberty.

gr8job5 votes

You sound absolutely and utterly insane. Might want to take your last bit of advice yourself.

Dengeden6 votes

Lyte is the issue.

Not the dozens of people who wine about champion X every day? Really?

He has let the 14 year olds ruin a game based on profit needs for LC$

Erm, are you sure about that? And how exactly would 14 year olds dictate it? Twitter or online ad revenue isn't a money machine.

Everything [...] is tested then approved to be sent here by him. Tribunal, to Leave buster, to the STATE OF MIND " TOXIC ".

And this doesn't sound silly? How dare he not use his psychic powers to prevent people from mis-using a word? ...what?

Now try to get a personal response from any one.

You mean like a personal post on boards? Which they do regularly? Of course responding to you personally can't be done, they would waste an exorbitant amount of time repeating themselves.

IcyPepper4 votes

If I get stomped - it's hilarious, because everyone is OP anyway

If I stomp - it's hilarious, because everyone is OP anyway

"OMG, Sona is so OP!" Well let's allow her to be for once, her healing's already been nerfed in the game mode!

Just wish people would chillax and stop QQing about URF's balance. There is no balance, that's the f'ing point.

The Blue Rooster4 votes

It sounds to me like you just got lucky last year, my experience has been exactly the same both years. Tryhards and toxics, enforcing the URF meta and reporting me if I didn't abide. All game every game.

Flemman3 votes

the reason behind this is quite easy to find.

Last year, all the broken stuff where taken away from the mode to avoid "tryharder" to only pick them, making it not interresting for them so they didn't play much game.

This year, all of that stuff is free, so they can spam it all they want (remember, their goal isn't to have fun with uncommon pick, it's to rolfstomp again and again with the same champion they know work) So the "tryharder" stay, blaming the team if, by stellar alignement, their champ is ban or if their team don't pick nearly sure win stuff like them.

That's the main reason this year urf don't match last year urf fun, but I personnaly have hope than riot will cut the rooster (maybe next week) so we can enjoy the game without facing always the same champ :p

Occams Raiser2 votes

Yeah last year they gave you a few days at the end where all the top banned champs were auto disabled. I liked that. The best three days made up for the earlier week.

Yuki Akuma3 votes

I haven't had a problem with ragers or anything, but people constantly picking only god tiers is utterly boring. "Dodge the spamming invisible spear Nidalee!" is an example.

Arcade Andrew3 votes

now if only they took all this try hardness and put it into ranked

Tsugaga2 votes

I've only had one of two players with a bad attitude. URF is supposed to be fun and relaxing, but relaxing and having fun while playing League is just too hard for some people apparently.

Rivvy3 votes

{quoted}

I've only had one of two players with a bad attitude. URF is supposed to be fun and relaxing, but relaxing and having fun while playing League is just too hard for some people apparently.

It is so relaxing seeing Zed, Sona, Yi, Hecarim every game. Makes for a fun game mode with great diversity.

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