Bjergsen showing in LCS why LB is ridiculous.

Xonra·Jun 6, 2015·46 votes·5,285 views

In the TSM vs TiP game going on currently, Bjergsen shows us exactly why (not his crazy plays, as it was pretty straight forward) LeBlanc is kind of silly with her mobility at the very least.

Lee Sin was in the blue buff area, ward hops over the wall, LB follows him over. Lee Ult kicks her back over the blue pit, she just LB jumps BACK to him. Lee Flashes the wall to his own mid turret. LB follows, her jump comes off cooldown finally, she jumps, kills Lee under his own turret, then just jumps out safely.

Why should any champion have this much mobility? When you have zero safety anywhere on the map and can kick her over a wall to still be followed over TWO walls and killed under your turret...that is a bit silly. It wasn't even as if the LB was fed, cause at the time he only had 2 kills, so it wasn't a fed LB doing this, nor great mechanical plays.

I don't get it.

85 Comments

IcyPepperJun 7, 201541 votes

She out-mobility'd a Lee Sin who burned a flash and his ult.

Now, I'm not a huge fan of Lee Sin, but even I feel sorry for him.

XonraJun 7, 201519 votes

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She out-mobility'd a Lee Sin who burned a flash and his ult.

Now, I'm not a huge fan of Lee Sin, but even I feel sorry for him.

Exactly this. And He didn't use flash (LB). It was all his jumps. Lee sin ulted him over a wall to get away, ward hopped over a wall, and flashed over a second wall....still killed under a turret.

Seriously, how is that okay? And this is coming from someone who really doesn't like Lee Sin, but when Lee Sin can't get away ward hopping, using his ult, and burning flash, but dies under a turret, then something is wrong.

IcyPepperJun 7, 20157 votes

Sure, Lee has okay damage and decent dueling, but to be out-damaged and out-mobiled by Leblanc... I mean, if it was an adc I'd understand, but the mobile melee champion?

Ouch.

ChaoticPineconeJun 7, 201511 votes

Breaking down that play:

Leblanc had to use both summoners (he flashed to get in range for the last W) to get the kill. Lee sin also didnt use his mobility to get away - he used his ward hop on a pink ward he was standing less than 200 units from, which actually placed him closer to LB instead of further away.

also take in mind that most professional Lee Sins run 21-9-0. Rush didnt buy a cinderhulk - his only defensive stats came from a sightstone. He was also level 7 while LB was 10.

if an assasin cant kill someone who isnt tanky and 3 levels behind with both of her summoners, im not sure what you expect from this game.

EDIT - and 2 kills with +40 cs is pretty fed in a professional game. whenever you see solo kills in a professional game, the 'killing' team almost always wins.

DedriusJun 7, 201515 votes

I could understand this type of mobility a little better if she couldn't also 100-0 me in 1 second.

One or the other but both is a little silly.

XonraJun 7, 20154 votes

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I could understand this type of mobility a little better if she couldn't also 100-0 me in 1 second.

One or the other but both is a little silly.

I had to turn off the game just watching the ridiculous damage she was doing. Her mobility alone was winning them the game, and then being able to dive in, chain, burst, jump back out before anyone could do anymore more than Maaaaaaybe an auto attack.

Person she attacks is half health at best. lmao that is just silly.

BluePolarizerJun 7, 201510 votes

LB is just incredibly sloppy and trashy design.

People say DOTA has broken designs with heroes that have way too much power in their kits.

LeBlanc would actually be permaban in DOTA (removing her passive). There is no hero in DOTA with as much mobility as LeBlanc. Not Antimage, not QOP, not Specter. Nobody.

NarasimhaJun 7, 20156 votes

Actually, she'd be pretty damn disappointing in DoTA as is. Mobility doesn't matter a damn when the opponent can just pop Blade Mail or BKB. Hell, Kunkka would have a field day with her, not to mention Pugna or Silencer. And given how the meta is shifting back to team fight oriented, it's even worse for her Exaggeration is fine, but don't try and pretend she'd be anything special.

Edit: Ya know, this one is on me. I forgot something really important. There IS someone who shits on LB's mobility. Go play Storm Spirit sometime.

76SummersJun 7, 20153 votes

dont need mobilty ill just pick outworld destroyer and wreck her shit no problem...

lDontLiftIcarryJun 7, 20154 votes

you have no idea what you're talking about.

Lmfao leblanc would just be another kit in a sea of kits. Items matter in that game Kits are just for mid/late game teamfights nothing more.

JayenKeiJun 7, 20156 votes

She'll also instantly die because almost every dota 2 character has a point click cc

And tbh I would say dota 2 has even more mobility Dashes in dota 2 are like double the length of league... Anti mage with his blinks and blink dagger? Km pretty sure he'd catch up at some point even if lb ports back lel

Glitter SpitterJun 7, 20159 votes

Ive hated LB since i started playing this game.. and now ekko(lb 2.0) is gunna take her spot... i cri

Frank327Jun 7, 20158 votes

The truth about that match:

Xiaoweixiao chose a weak pick against leblanc
He then DOESN'T USE MR GLYPHS FOR SOME WEIRD REASON
Bjergsen then gets midlane help from both jungler and support
Xiaoweixiao then doesn't build MR to prevent all-ins from happening.

But yeah, keep complaining about leblanc for doing what an assassin is supposed to do when played well and not respected by the opponent.

I don't even play or own leblanc but this thread is unfair.

ShifuneJun 7, 20153 votes

Shh, people don't bother to look at those things. They just see "qq LB op, Rito nurf." People these days are more aggressive in lane so they just skip building MR when laning against LB. Then, they complain when she one combos them. What did you expect an assassin to do when you don't build resistance to them?

LuggJun 7, 20157 votes

I was thinking the EXACT same thing when I was watching the game. LB needs to be gutted like Kassadin was. The win rate on LB by pro players has to be around 80%. I'm sorry, but NO ONE is that good playing against other pros.

XonraJun 7, 20158 votes

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I was thinking the EXACT same thing when I was watching the game. LB needs to be gutted like Kassadin was. The win rate on LB by pro players has to be around 80%. I'm sorry, but NO ONE is that good playing against other pros.

It was just odd to watch, cause Bjergsen did nothing Fancy.

The play literally played out like this

Lee in blue pit - Ward hops over wall v LB follows with a hop V Lee ult kicks LB BACK over the wall V LB ignores it and just jumps back over v Lee Flashes wall to get under turret for "safety V Bjergsen walks around to tower till jump was up, just dives under tower and straight one one hit kills Lee from just a bit less than half health - Walks off like nothing happened.

Bjergsen wasn't fed, didn't even have 200 cs at the time (was like 152 cs and 2 kills). It wasn't anything fancy, he didn't outplay Lee, He didn't do any crazy jumping back and forth mechanical crap. He got a kill for no other reason than he could jump around all he wanted, without even using flash, free tower dive kill, walked away.

WTF

LuggJun 7, 201510 votes

I know the exact play you are talking about. Anyone who saw that and doesn't think LB is OP as hell needs to put down the crack pipe, because they have killed off too many brain cells.

V2msRHouI0Jun 7, 20153 votes

The worst part is that the casters go "LOOK AT THAT DAMAGE COMING OUT OF BJERGSEN"

LakegaJun 8, 20151 votes

It's a pro. The casters go "WOW look at THAT! AMAZING X" (Insert any damage, play, situation for X). Despite 95% of what pro's do is basic shit that isn't anything amazing other than they got a cd just in time for something. I see more amazing shit in silver and gold level play than most of the games in professional.

Same shit with Ziggs who I also consider OP for various reasons. HUNI HUNI HUNI.. STFU. He's not doing anything amazing. He just plays rather well. I've still seen more amazing stuff pulled out of random peoples asses in gold elo than anything huni's done.

LeeluuJun 8, 20151 votes

That's because it's a lot easier to make big plays against noobs than pros.

Heckin SupportJun 7, 20157 votes

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I was thinking the EXACT same thing when I was watching the game. LB needs to be gutted like Kassadin was. The win rate on LB by pro players has to be around 80%. I'm sorry, but NO ONE is that good playing against other pros.

No champion should be gutted. Just tweaked. No champion deserves to be unplayable trash tier.

macromiteJun 7, 20153 votes

don't worry, as previously shown with the silence thing, they physically can't gut lb.

LuggJun 7, 20155 votes

I would normally agree, but in LBs case, she has it coming.

Mr Wright IIJun 8, 20154 votes

Olaf Khazix Veigar

Arsenic SulfurJun 8, 20151 votes

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No champion should be gutted. Just tweaked. No champion deserves to be unplayable trash tier.

At this point we just need to gut Leblanc harder than they did to Evelynn in one of the beta patches. Yes, the\at kind of nerf. Gut ALL of her damage, and add a delay and people WILL be happy. Fuck the Leblanc mains and their opinions.

SpecterVonBarenJun 8, 20151 votes

Any champion deserves to be unplayable after all the other ones that have had to be gutted and that Riot refuses to do something for. RIP Tiny Master of Evil...

ShifuneJun 7, 20153 votes

No is is that good when playing against other pros? I seem to remember Bjerg destroying every mid-laner in NA when he first came here.

LuggJun 7, 20152 votes

Don't get me wrong, Bjerg is an amazing player. But Faker does the same thing on LB in Korea against the best competition in the world. Trust me, the champion is broken OP.

CelosarJun 7, 20152 votes

"The win rate on LB by pro players has to be around 80%"

It's not even close.

LuggJun 7, 20151 votes

Ok, what is it and where did you get the info?

CelosarJun 7, 20152 votes

Don't remember, I'll have to look. RIOT shows the win/ban/pick %'s during the pick ban phase of every LCS match. Gimme a few.

EDIT: Just checked the VOD. LB has a 40% win rate in the 2015 NA LCS...so...not 80%.

Truly PridefulJun 7, 20157 votes

I love Bjerg and all, but they kept making a big deal out of the kills. A majority of them were WQRE -> W blink backs over and over. Just give her the delay on her W like Zed got for his R so there is some risk to her taking 50-60% of your health instantly on a low cooldown.

XonraJun 7, 20152 votes

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I love Bjerg and all, but they kept making a big deal out of the kills. A majority of them were WQRE -> W blink backs over and over. Just give her the delay on her W like Zed got for his R so there is some risk to her taking 50-60% of your health instantly on a low cooldown.

If I remember correctly, LB is one of the only champs Faker has never lost on. He plays it and almost always at least gets a Penta (I know he did the last game I watched him play her), and otherwise it is always banned against him.

How is it out of all the "balanced" mid champs in this game, the one that has the most ridiculous mobility in this game is the one he just happens to not lose on? Funny that.

DecaedeusJun 7, 20157 votes

LB is one of the only champs Faker has never lost on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyBjADJgcIY

RIP perfect record the dream. That said, even Faker agrees LeBlanc is OP.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/33rvxc/fakers_response_to_his_120_leblanc_record/

I'm pretty sure the current nerfs on her will give opponents some opportunities in lane to react to Distortion and make Ethereal Chains more dodgeable, though. I think she might sink into mid-tier competitive, seeing as DPS mages are quickly taking her place anyways.

TreebornfroggerJun 7, 20152 votes

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If I remember correctly, LB is one of the only champs Faker has never lost on. He plays it and almost always at least gets a Penta (I know he did the last game I watched him play her), and otherwise it is always banned against him.

How is it out of all the "balanced" mid champs in this game, the one that has the most ridiculous mobility in this game is the one he just happens to not lose on? Funny that.

Actually, he did lose on LB in the MSI finals... but only because EDG built a completely anti-LB comp with Maokai'n'everything.

FeathermaneJun 7, 20152 votes

You will find that a majority of League kills include some combination of WQRE.

Earl EulrichJun 7, 20152 votes

i think it´s more the fact that there aren´t really many Champs in the game that are mobile enough to chase down a Lee Sin... that being said i don´t think LB is actually a huge problem, she can be played around rather well, TIP in that game just fell pray to extended midlane camping (which is basically TSMs only tactic for a year now) and she got fed (+they didn´t really pick a good setup against her in the first place).

KieferrJun 7, 20157 votes

Lb is a perfectly balanced champ.

Rico NastyJun 7, 20153 votes

I really fucking hope you're joking.

stealthfox94Jun 7, 20154 votes

She's getting nerfed next patch.

The Virgin PerryJun 7, 20153 votes

what if riot buffed the damage on her distortion, but removed the ability to go back after casting it? Just a thought. (Obviously, the damage buff is there to compensate for the lost mobility.)

qetzelJun 7, 20152 votes

But... She was two kills up, had a large amount of CS, 3 levels and an item spike. If she didn't kill Lee Sin I would be surprised.

JayenKeiJun 7, 20152 votes

For the record

LeBlanc was level 10 with 124 cs and 2 kills

Lee sin was level 7 with 41 cs 0 kills 0 assists and 1 death

Lee sin's only defensive item was sightstone lel

Now as for the play

LeBlanc W jumps to Lee then hits him with her chain Lee sin ward hops to a nearby pink ward towards LeBlanc then kicks her then flashes to turret Bjergsen follows with r then for like a second contemplates about going in He then FLASHES and then uses W

LeBlanc should be killing Lee sin easily. 3 levels ahead as an assassin and Lee sin has no defensive stats?? That Lee sin is a free atm for any assassin in this game with the kind of advantage bjergsen had

TacticalBabeJun 7, 20151 votes

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XonraJun 7, 20154 votes

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Wha? This response doesn't even make any sense.

lDontLiftIcarryJun 7, 20151 votes

casuals showing why Pro games somehow are the same as fucking normals/ solo queue.

idiots...

XonraJun 7, 20155 votes

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casuals showing why Pro games somehow are the same as fucking normals/ solo queue.

idiots...

Random guy making pointless response adding nothing to the conversation but trash talking.

big'ol thumbs up You told us

LakegaJun 8, 20151 votes

You need rediculously overloaded kits and OP champs like LB for bronze V pro's like Bjergsen to main them so they look way better than they actually are.. need I remind you of MSI anyone? anyone? no? ok cool.

SpecterVonBarenJun 8, 20151 votes

Something I find stupid about LB is her E, no, not the hitbox, what I hate is how easy it is to proc the root, unless you're a champ with a dash or you burn flash (And sometimes even those don't help), literally, all she has to do is walk the same direction as you and it will proc the root. It's like, why is there even a two step process to this to begin with?