Feminism Special Treatment

GenoXx··3 votes·609 views

Ok, because this has gone on long enough.

Every time something new is revealed for a female champion, there's always one person who think that Riot is trying to "Sexualized" a champion. Even though that isn't the case at All They come here to the boards and make a very unnecessary Rant about it only in hopes of rallying more people to the cause just to make Riot notice. And what do you guys do Riot? You comply. You comply because people accuse you of false things like Giving Kayle Boob Armor It isn't "Boob Armor" It's called a freaking Chest plate. This is made for any female that would wear armor. Like seriously? And what happens? Riot comes down and seemingly agrees with it( or at least one rioter)

Recently, Fiora had her Title Changed from "The Grand Duelist" to "Mistress of the Blade." And the first thing someone does to respond to this is to make a thread titled Um Riot can we NOT change Fiora's Title? Even thinking their self to be overreacting- - in which you were . But the majority of people that commented in that thread only chose to look at it as "Mistress sounding Sexual." Oh and what happens? Riot comes down and comply to the demands because everyone was making a very unnecessary rant about it. There was nothing wrong with the Title At all. The way mistress was used is to imply Fiora's control over her household. How the hell does that sound sexual to you guys?

Riot Why are you showing special treatment to feminist? I feel this is very unfair to the community. There has been many demands in Story and Art about changing certain, in which not one rioter came down to respond to. But seemingly every thread that regarded something to a female champion that just "seemed" like it was a concern of "sexualizing" Champion you guys responded to it and made changes.

I feel like whatever the worker original work was it it should be as it is and be respected. Not changed because people feel insecure and feels it should be changed because they want it to be.

Stop with the Special Treament!

Edit: And I'm getting downvoted because I'm speaking the truth. Im sick of insecure people trying to make everything go their way because they always have a Bias view on everything Rito makes. This is really pathetic Riot. Im so disapointed

23 Comments

Daen4 votes

I feel like you're using this Fiora debate thread as a reason to substantiate your own thoughts on the sexualization of the game. I'd encourage you to separate these two thoughts, because they really aren't similar.

In the Fiora thread, the main complaint I see is that The Grand Duelist fits her personality and design far better than Mistress of the Blade. I completely agree, and many other players preferred her old name regardless of the connotation of the word mistress.


That being said, the most used definition for the word "mistress" in America is as such:

Mistress - a woman having an extramarital sexual relationship, especially with a married man.

I expect this to be different in Europe, using the original definition (a woman in a position of authority or control), but it definitely has a connotation that doesn't fit Fiora as a champion.

GenoXx2 votes

Actually if you go look again people are talking about how mistress is sounding "vampiric" and "seductive." I don't make stuff just to be petty or with out reason. And I did not just use the Fiora thread in reference. Did you read the part where i was talking about that ridiculous thread about Kayles "Boob Armor?"

Here let me add the link so u can't try and justify anything. I have no reason to be petty

Also: The idea her for Fiora was implying her control over her Household. House Laurent. Shouldn't have to repeat myself

Daen3 votes

Actually if you go look again people are talking about how mistress is sounding "vampiric" and "seductive."

I presume you're referring to this comment string? If you read closer down the comments, it's clear that people are interested in the connotations of "Grand Duelist" (haughty, smug, superiority complex) and "Mistress of the Blade" (seductive, underworld, dark), not the sexualization of the champion herself.

Mistress of the Blade would be fine for someone like Evelynn or Katarina, but the wording is completely in opposition of Fiora's entire lore so it just doesn't fit.

This comment from Anidan perfectly sums up my thoughts here:

This has nothing to do with feminism, and everything to do with the culture surrounding the word and its implications at this point. Besides, again: Fiora is arrogant and smug, and she wants you to acknowledge that she is the best goddamn fencer that ever did. The Grand Duelist sounds much more fitting for an arrogant fencer than "Mistress of the Blade" because that conveys, not arrogance, but an air of seduction at this point.

GenoXx2 votes

Why would that fit evelynn? See there you go. Evelynn doesn't even use blades. You picked her solely she's made to be an attractive female character.

The Majority of people agree with that thread solely because of that given reason. How does it not fit Fiora? She's a female fencer. She is head of her household. Her house, House Laurent, are known to be fencers....Wheres the logic in making mistrss sound seductive for Fiora?

Daen2 votes

You picked her solely she's made to be an attractive female character.

No, I picked her because she's made to be a seductive and dark character. The connotation of the word Mistress would fit Evelynn far better than Fiora, and this just isn't arguable.

How does it not fit Fiora? She's a female fencer. She is head of her household. Her house, House Laurent, are known to be fencers

That's a pretty far stretch, especially considering the fact you have to overcome the relatively strong connotation of the word Mistress that doesn't match her (infidelity). The Grand Duelist literally fits her perfectly, I can't really think of a title that suits her arrogance and capabilities better.

Wheres the logic in making mistrss sound seductive for Fiora?

That's the point I'm trying to make, it's not logical. Connotations are a bias we as humans develop towards certain things even if it's not directly outlined, and there's a significant bias towards the word mistress being seductive. This is literally just how our brains function, and trying to fight it will just result in a half-assed character title.

GenoXx2 votes

No, I picked her because she's made to be a seductive and dark character.

What's the difference in what i just said? You picked Evelynn because she's "seductive" Adding more to my argument about implying mistress is a sexual word. When its not....

That's the point I'm trying to make,

You're contradicting your argument. It's only bias to the people who are bias to this subject. The logic: "Mistress sounds seductive and shouldn't fit for Fiora" Then you're saying That "The grand Duelist" fits her better.

Which one is it? Because now I feeling you're argument is becoming pointless

Daen2 votes

Adding more to my argument about implying mistress is a sexual word. When its not....

Except that a lot of people feel it is, especially in America. You're welcome to feel however you'd like about certain words, but there are cultural biases towards almost everything that Riot needs to take into account.

The logic: "Mistress sounds seductive and shouldn't fit for Fiora" Then you're saying That "The grand Duelist" fits her better. Which one is it?

These aren't even remotely exclusive concepts, so I'm not making any logical leaps or fallacies. Mistress, to many people, has a connotation of dark seduction and thus it doesn't fit Fiora as per that connotation. "Of the Blade" also doesn't fit her particularly well, because it's bland and doesn't really showcase any part of her personality.

The Grand Duelist, however, has both a strong denotation and a strong connotation of haughty raw talent which fits her much better.


Bottom line, The Grand Duelist fits her lore and design far better than Mistress of the Blade and many players seem to agree. None of this debate about the definition of the word "mistress" even matters, because Riot has already said they are changing it back.

GenoXx2 votes

Bottom line, The Grand Duelist fits her lore and design far better than Mistress of the Blade and many players seem to agree. None of this debate about the definition of the word "mistress" even matters, because Riot has already said they are changing it back.

Yeah go ahead with that smug remark. First you try and say im just trying to gain attention by feeding from another thread, then try to argue me down with pointless reason then you say that. Stfu It's not liek i want them to change it back or anything. I'm just tired of Riot acting like they have to kneel down to you feminist and kiss ur boots because y'all insecure.

Pls

Daen1 votes

Yeah go ahead with that smug remark. Stfu

I mean...everything I said in that paragraph is factually true. The poll in the thread shows that the vast majority of players prefer The Grand Duelist, and Riot has indeed said it's being changed back.

I'm just tired of Riot acting like they have to kneel down to you feminist and kiss ur boots because y'all insecure

I'm not a feminist, I'm just logical. I understand the basic psychology of bias and how we as a society view the hidden meanings of words, and I also have a solid understanding of Fiora's kit and lore.

Riot is being intelligent by switching it back, not kneeling down to anyone. The community (at least, on the Boards) clearly prefers the original title, and from a core champion design/thematic perspective it's also the better choice.

AntiFlash2 votes

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Why would that fit evelynn? See there you go. Evelynn doesn't even use blades. You picked her solely she's made to be an attractive female character.

The Majority of people agree with that thread solely because of that given reason. How does it not fit Fiora? She's a female fencer. She is head of her household. Her house, House Laurent, are known to be fencers....Wheres the logic in making mistrss sound seductive for Fiora?

We live in an over sensitive over sexualized society so something little like that would be taken in the wrong way.

GenoXx2 votes

Why

Twiggles3 votes

Honestly, I agree with Fiora keeping her original title. I never got any sexist connotations out of the new one, but I just like the sound of Grand Duelist more. Plus, I feel like it's more directly in-line with her character.

Feminazi posts do trigger me something fierce though.

GenoXx2 votes

I mean yea understand . People think it sounds better. In which i can respect that. But why are people trying to make it like mistress is going to make her sexualized?

Twiggles3 votes

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I mean yea understand . People think it sounds better. In which i can respect that. But why are people trying to make it like mistress is going to make her sexualized?

My guess is that people who think way too hard about it make the false connection between 'blade' and 'penis'. Thus she would be 'Fiora, Snobby French Woman and Mistress of the Penis'.

Of course, coming to that conclusion would take a major break in logic. Breaks in logic being something that radical feminists are known for, it isn't tough to see where the idea can come from.

Shikigami2 votes

I prefer The Grand Duelist... just saying.

GenoXx2 votes

I understand that. But people shouldn't make it feel like they were trying to Sexualize Fiora...

Shikigami3 votes

They literally made her less attractive.

GenoXx2 votes

If that was the case....Then why are people complaining over something so ffreakin petty...

Ophelmark2 votes

Well for some reason Riot seems to side with the sjws in this issues a lot.Maybe the ones that take decisions in Riot are sjws,feminazis,or white knights themselves or who knows.But like i said 100000 times.If you don't like how a company is doing their business.Don't support them in anyway(money,viewing their events,etc).That's the only thing they can't ignore from you as a customer.Just take your support elsewhere and give it to something you like.

GenoXx2 votes

That should be Directed at the said feminist players.....If they don't like something about a female Champion....Then don't support it....that doesn't mean get on boards and try to make Riot change Shit.

AJStarhiker2 votes

I prefer Grand Duelist over Mistress of Blades. It's just a better title for a fencing specialist.

Ignoring the sexual or feminist aspects, I would expect a Master or Mistress of Blades to show expertise with a variety of edged weapons, rather than specializing in one, specific type.

Archon X1 votes

what

insaiyanbacca1 votes

i mean i agree kinda with your OP, but your edit and comments make you seem like someone who is paranoid and cant argue logically or civilly.

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