Not cool, Riot mods.

Melledoneus··74 votes·4,346 views

http://m.imgur.com/MlOkvYo

I was hoping you guys would tolerate some friendly Boards humor that actually took quite a lot of thinking and effort to make, but apparently that can't be the case today.

Have a great April Fool's Day, Riot mods. I'll be sure to enjoy the 4 new warnings on my account for trying to be creative on what was supposed to be the most fun day of the year for Memes&Games.

Since the mods already ruined it, I basically started a post saying something about Riot addressing a long-sought after issue that we wanted to hear about, and it linked to one of my old posts I didn't care much for and the process continued, urging you on with things like "the post was removed, here's the reddit post" and "meddler said it better in the original." In the end it linked you to a comment from a post long ago by Meddler about his cookie preference (one of my proudest threads) and to a final post titled "welcome back."

I wanted to give the Boards something fun but alas, the mods were having none of it. Thanks, guys. Maybe I'll just stick to regular re-posting, shit-posting, and complaining about issues like everyone else. If I'm not careful I'll get banned for being creative.

For fuck's sake.

51 Comments

Marshbouy33 votes

I maintain that the boards mods are crap

Melledoneus49 votes

Agreed.

I remember my post about the Vayne crit buffs long ago got removed and recommended to Memes&Games because the title was "This is a joke, right?"

I kid you not.

Terozu19 votes

I put in Concepts and Creation: "Reverse Kled! - Srsly why isn't this a skin already?" it got deleted and I was told I should put it in Story, Art, and Sound... I put it back up, and in the post I straight up wrote that "And to the modder who deleted this before, It does not have a story with it, it does not have an image or an audio file, why would this go in Story Art and Sound? It's a concept, it goes in Concepts and Creations."

Marshbouy14 votes

Ever seen one of those posts where a guy gets told "this goes in Gameplay" then "this goes in story art and sound" then "this goes in gameplay" all in one go? Those are pretty funny.

Sraeg20131 votes

Or when M&G threads are removed, because you were supposed to post them in Gameplay.

Well, it's basically the same thing, but still.

P0IS0N IVY5 votes

I talked about ranked in the gameplay section and the thread was deleted. I was told to post in the gameplay section. Then it was deleted again and I was told to post in misc????

Xonra1 votes

I just post literally everything in Misc now cause the mods seem to have no idea how to moderate their own boards lol

3TWarrior1 votes

I made this thread once and posted it in both gameplay and meme and games: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/8BPtzFc9-can-you-check-my-math

it was taken down from meme and games for being "too serious" when half of it is a joke

GULAG 4 U10 votes

Never forget about "Upvote if you hate yasuo mains". The hell does that thing even have with gameplay, and why are those kinds of post that incite negative behaviour is OK?

Marshbouy5 votes

I don't understand how those get through either, yet I can't say something like "all ahri mains are idi%%s" without getting my comment taken down in .25 seconds. Yeah sure I am insulting Ahri mains, but so is the guy who makes a post literally based around hating a certain player type.

GULAG 4 U8 votes

I definitively agree. Stereotyping champions mains and spreading needless toxicity is simply wrong, unless it is an obvious harmless meme.

This is fine: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/62imnq/i_am_a_yasuo_main/ (It's actually funny and smart).

This isn't. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/51r5j0Ea-upvote-if-u-dont-like-yasuo-mains Nothing to do with gameplay at all. Not even humor.

Troll for Trump1 votes

It's a combination of gameplay/ PB&M.

It doesn't have much content in the post, because it doesn't need to.

Everyone already knows what he's talking about.

It'd be the same with Riven, Lee Sin, or assassins.

You could make a post about "upvote if you don't like ahri"

GULAG 4 U1 votes

It isn't. It's specifically asking to hate real people for playing a video game character. It's unacceptable, similar to Nazi ideology in the worst case.

Upvote if you don't like (Champion) is something about gameplay, because we are talking about playing (against/with) the (champion). Talking about hating real people has nothing to do with playing the game.

Troll for Trump1 votes

Really? Nazi ideology?

If people act a certain way and you call them out for it, it's fine.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

What? Nazi ideology assumes all Jews are the blame for the poor economy of the country (and they are greedy). The boards have generalized, more than once, that all Yasuo mains are fucking c*nts or shitlords.

Troll for Trump1 votes

People aren't blaming them as the sole reason for why League is bad (they are part of the problem, but not the problem).

Because a lot of yasuo mains are cnts/shitlords, they are generalized that way. It happens to every sort of group.

Why? Because every person, as a part of a certain group, represents it as a whole. If you do something that makes you look bad, they might associate the members of the group as people of similar character.

Happens with organizations, stores, races, religions, sexuality, etc.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

So? the whole point is to not generalize. Stereotypes are harmful, not OK. Just because something happens/happened, it doesn't mean it is ok or it should happen again.

Troll for Trump1 votes

The problem is people even doing the actions which lead to stereotypes.

All stereotypes are based on some truth.

Just stop SJWing it

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Yes, people do the actions leading to stereotypes, does it mean you need to endorse the actions? Will it change anything? No, so why spread unneeded negativity?

Troll for Trump1 votes

Why would it need to change anything?

If enough people do the actions leading to a negative stereotype, then there is some considerable justification for the stereotype.

Stereotypes aren't uneeded negativity.

They are merely reflections of the truth.

How you see it is up to you.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

How is putting all people in a bad light because of the actions of some not harmful? It's not the truth, it is a blatant exaggeration.

Troll for Trump1 votes

Stereotypes don't have to be negative. They're just generalizations.

It's not harmful, and it's a REFLECTION of the truth.

rtbf2256182411 votes

Not really. The report button here AT LEAST WORKS.

Otherwise, they have to not risk getting fired, i guess.

Xonra8 votes

The board mods are garbo. The reddit mods are at least having fun today. The board mods are a joke lol

They ignore things they shouldn't and remove things they shouldn't. I'm fairly certain they have no idea what day it is and are just being as "useful" as usual. I know this will probably get deleted cause talking bad about them is as likely to get things removed as actually doing something worth getting removed, but just sayin'

Stop being wet blankets mods.

Sraeg20132 votes

Man, I got 2 warnings and a 1 day ban for posting a meme saying "I can see you fap" then like 2 days later got another warning for using the "I've seen enough hentai..." meme. All of that because it's "sexually explicit".

But when another guy makes a thread that ends with - I kid you not - "I fuck cats", it's completely OK.

When I talked about it with the "Player" Support, the guy said that "but 'fuck' has many meanings, not only 'having sex'!" and I responded with "'FAP' is a car" and what I got was "Iz not teh saem".

TheSaltyScourge5 votes

Just remember, these mods are being paid.

Velzard of Koz2 votes

Yes, everytime I'd make joke about gameplay into M&G and it gets removed and recommended into Gameplay, despite the fact the sarcasm was pretty obvious, there are two scenarios:

  • the mods were too dumb to get the sarcasm
  • the mod didn't even read the post, just the title, which misled them

One way or another, idea of them getting paid for being either dumb or lazy is disturbing.

Sraeg20132 votes

If I'm not careful I'll get banned for being creative.

From my personal experience, you can get banned even if you are careful and shitposting along with others.

I even had a long talk with the "player" support about it - the main question was "Why I got banned for 'fap', but in 99% of cases 'fuck' is OK?" - and the only thing I concluded was that they were inconsistent nitwits who close tickets the moment they visibly ridicule themselves.

Earthlord Jazz1 votes

Part of me wants to believe that this too is an April Fool's Joke :/

Melledoneus9 votes

If only. I have too much salt to let this slide over.

I might start shitposting about the mods soon.

Fondling Gems6 votes

Pretty damn accurate. The boards mods need a full revamp on their rules and clarification. Plus there are some way more serious and really questionable things they do. Do you know how many suicide posts pop up per day? Quite a few. Now I can understanding removing them for the purposes of preventing people from coming in and being mean/to talk one on one.

However I have started having conversations with multiple people contemplating suicide, had the entire thread be filled with people trying to help them out, then seeing the post get deleted when the person specifically talks about in their post about how it will probably get deleted because Riot doesn't care.

Every single person this has happened to I tried to contact afterwards. I hit the back button, saw the page before it got deleted, followed them back to a month or two old post so it was out of the way and commented on that within 5 minutes of their post getting deleted. I do this for every suicide post I see that gets deleted. I offer my email if they want to talk about it, I offer my skype if they don't want to email, I offer to just be there to chat with or tell their problems to. Even including the people I have seen responding positively I have never gotten a response. Even if they got a boards post ban they would still have been able to contact me because I left them my info.

Honestly what does this say about Riot procedures on the boards? The fact that they delete posts of people who feel suicidal and insecure about being ignored by others. That they delete posts filled with positiveness and people trying to help them out, even when it is clearly working. The fact that I haven't heard back from anyone in all the time I have been doing this implies that they aren't even doing anything to help.

I love Riot as a company and I get needing some boards restrictions but honestly the way they handle some stuff just sickens me.

Sraeg20131 votes

The boards mods need a full revamp on their rules and clarification.

There are NO fucking rules to begin with.

Just ambiguous "guidelines" that tell shit.

Melledoneus1 votes

I just read that and suddenly I am self-aware of how selfish of a person I am.

You are too good of a person for this cruel Board, my friend.

INoble KnightI1 votes

You are a hero. More of us should be more like you.

Aeszarck1 votes

That really sucks. I'd be angry too if that were to happen to me.

How did you get four warnings from one post?

Shadòw1 votes

they should at least let us know who the guy responsible for the removal is

Melledoneus1 votes

Rioter Killjoy.

rengar vore1 votes

:(

INoble KnightI1 votes

The comment section makes me sad.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

remember when people were all talking about the star guardians? i saw someone make a post about urgot being a star guardian and then i remembered seeing a post where someone drew a stick figure and made it a meme so i scribbled my favorite champ (karthus) as a star guardian (in a minskirt) and posted it as a sarcastic joke and some mod thought i was being serious. so it was removed and i was told to put it into story and art... which i did and made sure to put a giant caption at the top about how i was told to put it there.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Some times it feels like they can't tolerate people being better at their job than them. What also annoys me is that they'll outright delete posts just for being in an 'incorrect' sub-section, don't they not have the tools to move or relabel the post? Or are they too lazy to do so? Makes me wonder if riot reads outside sources more often because their own forums are poorly designed/up-kept.

Xela Syab1 votes

mods got a shorter dick than Vieg's model.

Monsieur Kast1 votes

Mistakes can happen. That's a given. Not having a discussion about it is a second thing.

On my home boards from EU I rarely see a moderation mistake and every time a deletion is questioned, moderators explain why a discussion or comment was removed and take feedback for their future moderation.

I'd like to ask a moderator to come here and give some explanation regarding this issue.


To Riot: Iirc, correct me if I'm right, moderators on the NA boards get a small pay for their work. Maybe you can consider making moderation part of the volunteer program, like in Europe. Intrinsic motivation usually works better than extrinsic motivation.

ModWuks1 votes

We're currently looking at whether volunteer-based moderation can improve the culture within the Player Behavior & Moderation sub-board. If things go well, it's definitely possible that the scope of this project may grow, but there's not much to be shared at this time.

PlsCheckThisBush1 votes

My personal favorite is when they specifically tell you to do something, you do exactly as told, and then are punished for it without any reasoning behind what disqualified the post in the first place (let alone actually reading the thread).

http://imgur.com/a/Fd20N

https://imgur.com/a/srEX5#rGkQ7WQ

Pretty sure the moderators are doing the least amount of work possible on these boards, I've seen far better work quality from volunteers.

ModWuks1 votes

I looked into this, and it appears that your thread was removed for violating the Boards' "Name and Shame" policy. If you're discussing a topic like ping spamming, you can do so on the Boards, but you can't put other players on blast for their behavior. It leads to an environment of witch-hunting, and most name and shame threads don't contribute much to a conversation (with yours as an exception, obviously). Had the name of the ping spammer been removed from your images, you wouldn't have received a Boards punishment and the thread would've stayed up.

Moving forward, however, we're looking at ways to improve moderation, and one of those will likely be editing out screenshots when possible when there's discussion to be had, rather than removing the thread outright. If you have any other suggestions, I'd be more than receptive to them!

PlsCheckThisBush2 votes

Hey! Thanks for taking the time to look into it, I greatly appreciate it! At the time I was rather new to the boards and their rules and was confused about what was being removed when there were threads along the lines of "#### u rito" and other toxic things sticking around when I didn't have a specific reasoning attached with my messages, however I definitely understand the policy behind "Naming and Shaming" as usually it's a player looking to vent their frustrations while calling out another individual (and losing all productivity in the process). I've done my best since then to enforce those rules and encourage others to do the same, as more often than not (as you stated) it leads to an environment of witch-hunting where little is used for productive thoughts and suggestions and instead turns into a circular reasoning thread where the original poster is, more or less, looking to garner support from their experience. I don't intend on re-posting an edited version of the thread as I consistently see "Ping Spam" as a hot topic in PB&M, however I would definitely encourage those with ideas to do so as there's always room for improvement in the system.

For suggestions, I don't have too many. I try to be active in the community and share the information I have available while remaining composed, as well as provide people with different perspectives as to why their behavior would be seen as offensive. I find that most of the time it's usually best to refer the individual to Player Support or to ask for the logs (although half the time players would rather keep them to themselves, for obvious reasons) to try and help those who don't understand their punishment by providing some insight on how someone else may feel. I have noticed a significant increase in the improvement of moderation throughout the boards though, and for this I thank you (and everyone else involved) that has made it a more pleasant experience for those of us that want to contribute in a civil manner, and has given more visibility towards the "don't be a jerk" mentality where Mods/Arbiters/Rioters/etc. post in threads to remind others of the golden rule.

I do agree that removing/editing out screenshots would be a step in the right direction though - although I can see that there would be a significant amount of man-power involved if lots of threads required someone to "paint" over affected images and re-upload them to an image hosting site.

Again, thank you for your time at looking into this! It's greatly appreciated to see more activity and visibility from those that help to moderate the boards and has led to a far more pleasant (and informed) experience for all of us.

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