But god dam, %max true damage and an AoE heal? Going to be hard looking at this one without bias....
On a side note, they also increased her health. With %max true damage, I see full tank Fiora coming in. I mean, she would easily be able to survive long enough to hit the enemy champ 4 times, dealing a crazy amount of damage for a tank lol. But like I said, I shall try to keep opinions quiet until I see her in action.
MrBuffington2 votesBut like I said, I shall try to keep opinions quiet until I see her in action.
If only other people would follow your example
In any case, I had a chance to try her out on PBE, some of my (relevant) initial impressions:
Her passive is indeed very powerful. It can be a little tricky to use, but her Q generally will solve that problem, if not you seem to be able to zone people with the threat of it (especially since once you proc the passive, it comes up again about a second or two later, and, with the movement speed on your passive, you can proc it again). How effective it is in an actual game really depends on how well your opponent can guard that weak point; overall very cool and fun mechanic, maybe a little overtuned atm.
Her heal on ult is pretty interesting; since most people don't seem to know/didn't bother to read the announcement/watch the skill video, the heal procs if she hits all four weak points or if she's hit at least one weak point and the target dies, meaning it can also serve as a beacon for your team to focus a particular target. It's very powerful, but in a 1v1 scenario basically boils down to either a heal after you kill your opponent; I don't think hitting all four will be a likely scenario unless you massively outplay your opponent (I could be absolutely wrong though, given the dash, slows, and speed buffs on her kit). Her ult also doesn't have a terribly long duration so you have to either be super mechanically savvy or again, massively outplay your opponent to hit all four. Most likely I see Fiora trading/poking her opponent to half and then all-inning them and just using her ult as a passive refresh and proccing maybe two of the weak points for the kill.
Regarding tank Fiora; it's highly possible, but I don't think she has the utility that Ekko does (nor do I think tank Ekko is even that good, especially compared to champs like Gragas or Rek'Sai or an actual tank champion). I do think more bruiser-ish builds will become common on her since she's less of an assassin now. You have to have pretty good mechanics (or just be completely reliant on your Q) to hit your passive on an intelligent opponent; there are a lot of cases where I started an auto attack that would have hit a weak point, but my opponent moved at an ever so slight angle to make my auto miss the weak spot, or just be at point-blank range where it was a bit more difficult to judge the angle between the champions to make the proper auto attack.
LaceUp231 votesYeah, I'm not saying that her passive won't be tricky to hit. Here is what I fear, though. Weak point comes out on front of champ. Either they take the engage and get out traded, or it's used as a huge zoning tool. If they chose to fight and get out traded, then next weak point goes to their back...so Fiora just bombs them while they are trying to escape. Not sure how often the front-back effect will proc, but seems a bit overbearing when it does. I also see her smashing tanks top lane since they won't kill her fast enough for her to do her %max true damage. I'm not sure what the numbers on it are.
I'm also sad because Fiddles no longer counters Fiora lol. Just another Fiddles nerf :(
MrBuffington1 votesThe weak point is locked to a cardinal direction, so it's not "on their back" like Shaco's, it's more "up, down, left, right". I agree it can be a pretty powerful zoning tool, but it does take a bit of effort (unless you use your Q) to get around your opponent and take advantage of a weak point, especially if your opponent is positioning well (the slows and speed boosts certainly help though). There are ways around it, like if the weak point is facing you and you proc it, then Q behind them to proc the next one, but it puts you in a pretty aggressive/vulnerable position in lane.
Regarding tanks, tanks also generally have CC to inhibit Fiora's ability to get around them and target weak points. I feel like more of Fiora's match ups now come down to player skill. I do feel, just from my limited experience, that the numbers are a tad overtuned, but I was also playing against bots (just to test her out), I imagine against an intelligent opponent it will be much more difficult to hit weak points, especially multiple times in a row (though it might take some experience playing against Fiora to be practiced in minding your weak points; it's a pretty unique mechanic and really changes up how lane dynamics).
Generally she feels like she'll be higher risk, higher reward; champions she used to be able to bully she'll probably still be able to bully, vs other bullies/tanks it'll come down to skill a lot more I think (she's squishier because she lacks her old HP regen passive, but if played well she can outplay). She's not like Fizz or someone who just gets %hp damage for free, she has to work a bit more for hers, and I feel like it'll make for more interesting lane interaction and fights, though of course this is with pretty limited experience on her, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I suspect, though, there will still be some complaints about her simply from people who refuse to change how they play vs her passive, but that's Boards/Reddit, lol
Also, how does Fiddle counter Fiora? I've never heard of that match up
LaceUp231 votesWell, being fixed certainly changes that. Personally, I find that dumb though. Considering your "weak point" is now going to change every time you move. If your weak point is your belly button, it should stay your belly button regardless of direction lol.
Omg, Fiddles shits on the current Fiora lol. Shit there and harass with E and AAs. If she decides to try to jump on you, click dat W button and watch her struggle lol. If she tries to be a dick and ignite you, Q and walk away lol. Fiddles W even goes through her ult. Don't see it going that way with new Fiora, though. She can dive you for your weak point. If you try to drain her, she can easily then smash your other weak points.
Also, what are the numbers on her %max health true damage?
MrBuffington1 votesI mean, you can probably do a lot of the same stuff, except the W through Ult. She still doesn't have any hard CC unless she predicts his Q and aims correctly.
LaceUp231 votesYeah, but I see her passive dealing a lot of damage to a champ like Fiddles that has to stay still to do the damage. And yeah, didn't even realize at first that she can completely cancel out his fear lol.
Hell Week1 votesIf only other people would follow your example
In any case, I had a chance to try her out on PBE, some of my (relevant) initial impressions:
Her passive is indeed very powerful. It can be a little tricky to use, but her Q generally will solve that problem, if not you seem to be able to zone people with the threat of it (especially since once you proc the passive, it comes up again about a second or two later, and, with the movement speed on your passive, you can proc it again). How effective it is in an actual game really depends on how well your opponent can guard that weak point; overall very cool and fun mechanic, maybe a little overtuned atm.
Her heal on ult is pretty interesting; since most people don't seem to know/didn't bother to read the announcement/watch the skill video, the heal procs if she hits all four weak points or if she's hit at least one weak point and the target dies, meaning it can also serve as a beacon for your team to focus a particular target. It's very powerful, but in a 1v1 scenario basically boils down to either a heal after you kill your opponent; I don't think hitting all four will be a likely scenario unless you massively outplay your opponent (I could be absolutely wrong though, given the dash, slows, and speed buffs on her kit). Her ult also doesn't have a terribly long duration so you have to either be super mechanically savvy or again, massively outplay your opponent to hit all four. Most likely I see Fiora trading/poking her opponent to half and then all-inning them and just using her ult as a passive refresh and proccing maybe two of the weak points for the kill.
Regarding tank Fiora; it's highly possible, but I don't think she has the utility that Ekko does (nor do I think tank Ekko is even that good, especially compared to champs like Gragas or Rek'Sai or an actual tank champion). I do think more bruiser-ish builds will become common on her since she's less of an assassin now. You have to have pretty good mechanics (or just be completely reliant on your Q) to hit your passive on an intelligent opponent; there are a lot of cases where I started an auto attack that would have hit a weak point, but my opponent moved at an ever so slight angle to make my auto miss the weak spot, or just be at point-blank range where it was a bit more difficult to judge the angle between the champions to make the proper auto attack.
FINALLY SOMEONE! i wish i could use her in the PBE, she really does look really fun to use. now she actually requires some skill to use... old fiora is just keyboard smashing with a bit of general knowledge.
MrBuffington2 votesHaha, her trades are less straightforward now for sure. People/top laners with really good micro will be really happy on Fiora I think, since the weak points are dependent on the angle between you and your target, where the angle changes pretty rapidly when in melee range. Fiora was always one of those champions I didn't understand, probably from overthinking her (I also don't really understand Xin Zhao), but she's much more interesting and fun now imo.
Eleshakai2 votesI think she's going to end up kind of like Azir... absurdly op at the highest levels of play where people are phenomenally good... pitifully weak at lower levels.
But I'm looking forward to seeing if she breaks into the lcs.
Hell Week1 votesI think she's going to end up kind of like Azir... absurdly op at the highest levels of play where people are phenomenally good... pitifully weak at lower levels.
But I'm looking forward to seeing if she breaks into the lcs.
yeah you will really see the diff btw the good fioras and the bad fioras for sure now.
Eleshakai1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hell Week,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=upAFrv2j,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-07-22T21:13:20.798+0000)
yeah you will really see the diff btw the good fioras and the bad fioras for sure now.
ya, absolutely.