We should only make champs around high ELO and screw the new players

Funkin Dunkin·5/31/2017, 2:04:43 PM·2 votes·302 views

What is this garbage I keep seeing in the forums? People wanting to change champions like Garen because they can't get higher than D5 with him. So what? Out of 100 champions do we really have to revolve ALL of them around high elo? What about the new guys? People who don't really have a strong grasp on the game? To hell with them right? We're not here to coddle new players, we're here to make everything for the top 10%. Give me a break...

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

5 Comments

Big Lincoln5/31/2017, 2:27:37 PM3 votes

I'm really curious how you translate "we should bring garen up to par with today's league standards so that he can function better as a learner champion while being viable in more ranks" into "We should make Garen an uber-complex champion that'll only see play in high ELOs"

Garen is not a 'beginner' champion because a beginner or learner champion implies that he gives you room to grow as a player. He is a noob trap champion; when you switch from Garen to anyone else, you will have to unlearn the bad habits that Garen teaches you, because while most melees have to worry about attack animations, canceling them, or sometimes aiming for a 'sweet spot' on their moves like Darius/Camille, Garen doesn't. You just run at people and stand near them with E on. Garen is not for teaching new or low ELO players the game; he is built for exploiting other players' inability to play it.

Saying Garen NEEDS to be fucking brain-dead simple and worthless past Silver is an insult to human capacity for learning. People are able to improve, but Garen does not provide them the opportunity.

UnboundHades5/31/2017, 2:08:50 PM2 votes

if you went and read the comments you would of noticed that they wanted him changed like ashe a champion whos kit is still easy for newer players but can stillbe viable in higher elos

LostFr0st5/31/2017, 2:08:53 PM1 votes

Hmmm... title and content don't match. Velkoz If you can still tweak you title you'll get a better assessment of your content.

Critmaster Garen6/1/2017, 9:18:32 AM1 votes

i already mentiond this in another thread.

when we ask to make garen better all around into higher ranks, think Nasus or Annie Ashe Aatrox Jax

the champions have very simple kits, while they still had 1 trick mains up into masters. like there were even high ranked aatrox mains around when he was complete dogshit a couple of patches ago. not every champion has to have a crazy complicated kit to be viable into the highest rankings.

but the fact that garen caps out at diamond 5, and no garen main has ever really made it into masters with him (not even talking about challenger), doesnt have anything to do with his kit not being complicated enough. its simply a painfully obvious hint that its dysfunctional in its current state.

i love the champion, but over time riot even removed some of the mastery garen used to have with his animation cancelling. right now there is no room to grow with the champion anymore.

like right now his q animation is so stupidly slow that he gets outtraded by his oppoents because they consistently stun cancel the ability, or dash out of range during the swing. he cant take any form of extended trades against enemies with lifesteal or inbuilt in combat sustain.

its not even the fact that he gets kited. thats a weakness all juggernauts share, and garen is comparably less easy to kite then even some other juggs.