In one place, it's cool and festive. In the other, it is confusing and annoying.
edit: I think I'd actually be okay with it in chat, should Riot decide to add it there. Just not in the upper right, where it looks like everyone is dc'd and (IMO, more importantly) makes it impossible to tell who is in the room.
A Liberal7 votesThey tried to fix something that wasn't broken.. never once have I ever thought, "Oh god, who is on my team and on the enemies?"
Hyrum Graff4 votesThey tried to fix something that wasn't broken.. never once have I ever thought, "Oh god, who is on my team and on the enemies?"
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a christmas thing, not meant to be permanent.
Also, just because you've never wanted it, doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad idea.
badooga2 votesIf you really forgot, there are two headings named "Your Team" and "Enemy Team" right there...
Anomander6 votesPersonal opinions are as varied as grains of sand. Each is similar and yet infinitely diverse.
Hyrum Graff40 votesPersonal opinions are as varied as grains of sand. Each is similar and yet infinitely diverse.
Agreed. This is only my opinion. However, it is grounded in fact. On the right is where I look to see if people were afk, and who's still in the room, and the colors are confusing in this regard. On the left, there are no such issues.
Anomander3 votesOpinions based on opinion. New and confusing? Maybe. Still no facts.
Hyrum Graff23 votesOpinions based on opinion. New and confusing? Maybe. Still no facts.
Fair. I said:
"on the right is where I look to see if people were afk," <- Fact
"the colors are confusing in this regard." <- Opinion
However, It does seem to be the popular opinion, which makes it relevant. User Experience Matters.
Though it is worth noting that Boards is also something of an echo chamber.
Sona Ping1 votesI disagree.
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Fair. I said:
"on the right is where I look to see if people were afk," <- Fact
"the colors are confusing in this regard." <- Opinion
The added colours on the right are mixing the previous and well-established convention/meaning of a coloured Summoner Name with the meaningless usage of what it is right now, that is further redundant and made redundant by the already established grouping of the allied and enemy players in the game in the fields on the top-right of the post-game screen. "The usage of team colours in Summoner Names is an element that can serve to confuse players" is not an opinion, it is an accurate analysis of the effects caused by this change that has occurred and factual statement of that reality.
Kikirino8 votesOpinions based on trained conditioning. Riot has trained us to see red names as an afk/leaver. Now the enemy is red, which confuses us because it is not what we were conditioned to associate with red names. This is more than a simple difference in opinion.
Fredart4 votesNah man, all 5 enemies are clearly leavers and deserve a report.
OyddAWqJ5r9 votesOn a side note: Nice 8/2/8 and S rank as jungle Ashe ^_^
Hyrum Graff6 votes[{quoted}](name=Sleeper Cell,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ry9OQp1U,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2015-12-12T20:22:54.364+0000)
On a side note: Nice 8/2/8 and S rank as jungle Ashe ^_^
Don't give me too much credit; it's a level 21 account (though not having a full rune/mastery page makes jg ashe significantly harder -- I was lucky enough to snowball this game).
It's the 9 Long sword build. (11 in lane -- replace warrior with youmuu)
0% crit Ashe is best Ashe?
Ult cooldown is under 1 minute, and you have SO much armor pen and tank shred. Depending on the game I might drop BoRK, Dominik's, and/or Boots for BT, IE, Runaan's, Mercurial, or more defensive items.
OyddAWqJ5r2 votesWell seeing as her crit does nothing but intensify the slow really I can actually see non-crit builds being effective on her to abuse the attack speed she gets from Q and her AD scalings in general.
Photos of Ghosts1 votesIt increases her base damage.
OyddAWqJ5r1 votesToo much messing around with how crit works with Ashe for me as a non-Ashe player to follow haha.
Champion Skin1 votesHere is how crit works on Ashe it gives Ashe damage increase on AA which is equal to crit 1% crit = 1% damage increase (on AA) And obviously at 100% crit you get +100% damage per hit (the same way with any other champion) With IE (crit damage +50%) 1% crit = 1.5% increased damage
Also keep in mind the first hit won't have the increased damage unless the target is hit with her W/R and it increases her damage by 10% even with 0% crit The 10% increase is a nice bonus or something which helps to compensate for the fact that the first his doesn't crit
TurquoiseYoshi3 votesDo you disagree? I certainly don't. When something is a popular opinion, it gains a lot more credibility.
Anomander2 votesRegardless of if I agree doesn't make something Fact.
TurquoiseYoshi3 votesHe never said it was fact. Possibly implied it, but never said it.
And in any case, this isn't where you make an argument like this. You make this argument somewhere where there isn't a 90+% majority that something is bad.
Hyrum Graff1 votesHe never said it was fact. Possibly implied it, but never said it.
And in any case, this isn't where you make an argument like this. You make this argument somewhere where there isn't a 90+% majority that something is bad.
I think that it's typically inferred that most forum posts are people's opinion, so I think the OP is clear.
There's also a pretty good amount of clarification in the comments.
Anomander2 votesThe Op states
Agreed. This is only my opinion. However, it is grounded in fact.
However his opinion is not based on facts but solely on personal opinions. There is nothing wrong with this however it should not be portrayed as fact regardless of how many people agree with him.
Fact doesn't change based on situations. That is called perception.
Hyrum Graff1 votesThe Op states
I meant the original post. The part you are quoting is part of a comment string, in which I later clarify that yes, you're right; only part of that is fact.
Anomander1 votesWhen did popular opinion become fact? Regardless of people agreeing with a person's opinion doesn't make it "grounded in fact". Just because majority of people believe something doesn't mean it shouldn't be debated. I mean people used to and some still do believe the world is flat
Using popular belief as a reason to not debate is the sign of a repressed society.
"What, sir? You would make a ship sail against the wind and currents by lighting a bonfire under her decks? I pray you excuse me. I have no time to listen to such nonsense." Napoleon Bonaparte to Robert Fulton, upon hearing of the latter's plans for a steam-powered engine.
TurquoiseYoshi3 votesSeriously, where were you when the HUD update came out?
Timeless Void2 votesWhen did popular opinion become fact? Regardless of people agreeing with a person's opinion doesn't make it "grounded in fact". Just because majority of people believe something doesn't mean it shouldn't be debated. I mean people used to and some still do believe the world is flat
Using popular belief as a reason to not debate is the sign of a repressed society.
"What, sir? You would make a ship sail against the wind and currents by lighting a bonfire under her decks? I pray you excuse me. I have no time to listen to such nonsense." Napoleon Bonaparte to Robert Fulton, upon hearing of the latter's plans for a steam-powered engine.
What is a fact, then? Do you truly know what a fact is? Do you even know the operational definition of fact?
Anomander1 votessomething that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence
: a true piece of information
Or basically something that is non subjective.
Timeless Void2 votessomething that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence
: a true piece of information
Or basically something that is non subjective.
And what, in your knowledge thus far, is objective by that definition?
4thHorsman1 votesRegardless of if I agree doesn't make something Fact.
No, but what is a fact is that a person is unable to identify afks by their name and who is in the lobby by their name. Those are 100% facts. Now that we have that sorted, let's use these facts to come to some form of conclusion on the change. Since it is now more difficult to determine both categories, there should be something done to make it easier on the players. The simplest solution would be to revert back to the old style. Another solution would be to have an icon next to a person's name if they were disconnected at the end of game, and another to indicate when someone is still in the lobby. An alternative that is a middle ground between these would be to have those who were disconnected have their own color on their names, and when someone leaves the lobby their name turn either gray or a grayed out blue/red depending on the team.
Anomander1 votesHmm since riot has a automatic way of identifying afk's does it really matter? Riot has stated that 1 report in a game is as good as 9 so does it matter? Why do you NEED to identify afk's? If you were playing you should know if someone on your team is afk. If they were on the enemy team you have no way of knowing outside of a possibly biased persons opinion.
THERE IS NO REASON AT ALL FOR YOU TO NEED TO KNOW IF A ENEMY WAS AFK. If you cannot tell if a teammate was afk or not you have other issues.
4thHorsman3 votesHmm since riot has a automatic way of identifying afk's does it really matter? Riot has stated that 1 report in a game is as good as 9 so does it matter? Why do you NEED to identify afk's? If you were playing you should know if someone on your team is afk. If they were on the enemy team you have no way of knowing outside of a possibly biased persons opinion.
THERE IS NO REASON AT ALL FOR YOU TO NEED TO KNOW IF A ENEMY WAS AFK. If you cannot tell if a teammate was afk or not you have other issues.
Now that is your opinion that no one needs to know, that is not a fact.
Timeless Void2 votesPersonal opinions are as varied as grains of sand. Each is similar and yet infinitely diverse.
So, a gamer on the internet tries to voice what he feels to be unhelpful. You, a person on the internet decide to ignore his intention, not even attempt to understand what he was trying to imply, and instead decide to attack his post by stating that it is an opinion. I am wondering if this behaviour stems from personal problems in your real life with people in your school or other learned / unlearned environments making claims and presenting them as facts?
Anomander1 votes
Why attack me personally? I would recommend looking in a mirror prior to analyzing others.
My answer was a valid answer to his topic of "Guide to where it is Okay to use red and blue colors on people's names".
It is ok to use red and blue on people's names based on opinions. There is no set guideline on subjective matters only opinions. The way you think this is a attack instead of a honest answer shows me you don't understand what was written.
Also why is it then OK for you to attack me?
Do you have personal problems that this attack stems from? Are you having problems in your life? Do you need someone to talk to? Do you need attention?
Timeless Void1 votes
My answer was a valid answer to his topic of "Guide to where it is Okay to use red and blue colors on people's names".
It is ok to use red and blue on people's names based on opinions. There is no set guideline on subjective matters only opinions. The way you think this is a attack instead of a honest answer shows me you don't understand what was written.
Also why is it then OK for you to attack me?
Do you have personal problems that this attack stems from? Are you having problems in your life? Do you need someone to talk to? Do you need attention?
Not a personal problem, more like a personal rule. I have to compulsively attack others that make an initial attack. And if I look at 1 of your posts, it seems odd to me, but it can be neglected, but you made multiple, similar posts, repeating the same subject over and over again.
Yes, colour can be an opinion, but when Riot intentionally used something for so long, the colour red on that side to indicate that someone dced, and then they suddenly changed it, without informing us why they wanted to change that, it is not a far stretch to consider this change of theirs, "wrong." Their change hurts our ability to easily find the disconnected player, report them, and hit Home to play again.
Do I need attention? No. Do I crave attention? Hell yes! Do I need someone to talk to? No. Do I need someone to talk down to? Hell yes!
Also, about looking in a mirror, even if you and I were similar, what does me pointing out your errors have to do with mine?
Best Darius KR3 votesYour point?
TSM Scarra2 votesThe worst part about that is that you cant even tell if someone left. All you know is that you keep saying "HELLO?" for 4 hours and no one says "its me"....
AJStarhiker2 votesI'm not a fan of the red/blue, either, because as pointed out, red meant a leaver for so long, that making the opposing team red just makes it seem the entire team left. And the sharp contrast between my name in yellow and the rest of my team in blue just looks bizarre.
Sythriel Draken1 votesWhat's more annoying is that riot doesn't care about color blind people with these red and blue names.
Hyrum Graff4 votes[{quoted}](name=Sythriel Draken,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ry9OQp1U,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-12-12T21:08:59.915+0000)
What's more annoying is that riot doesn't care about color blind people with these red and blue names.
I must admit, my knowledge of color blindness is somewhat lacking. I thought red and blue were typically distinguish-able? Or is that only because they are usually different in terms of brightness?
LankPants5 votesThe common kind of colour blindness is red-green, where red and green become hard to distinguish between. There's also another rarer kind which is blue-yellow. The kind of colour blindness which would impact red/blue is complete colour blindness, which is incredibly rare.
Krigjer1 votesIn the chat it makes sense because I imagine it makes discussing easier, but in the top right where it shows your team and social options it seems like visual clutter.
Hyrum Graff1 votesIn the chat it makes sense because I imagine it makes discussing easier, but in the top right where it shows your team and social options it seems like visual clutter.
I actually agree; at the time that I made this the decision to put a red box around chat was not well thought through.
Red Mage1 votesPersonally I don't see an issue with the red/blue on the right side. I'm colorblind myself and I can see the difference between a light red & a dark red. Definitely can see a difference between red & blue...
Hyrum Graff2 votesPersonally I don't see an issue with the red/blue on the right side. I'm colorblind myself and I can see the difference between a light red & a dark red. Definitely can see a difference between red & blue...
I haven't had a leaver yet so I haven't had the chance to distinguish between light and dark red. There are two potential problems:
If you're right then #1 is not a problem. #2 still remains.
Stephenizgod1 votesThe only time its legit confusing is when looking for an AFK, if there was no AFK's i don't even notice the color changes.
Hyrum Graff1 votesThe only time its legit confusing is when looking for an AFK, if there was no AFK's i don't even notice the color changes.
It's also confusing to me when looking to see who is still in the lobby.
FastAsHeck1 votesI agree but why is it not ok for the chat? I would like red/blue there.
Hyrum Graff1 votesI agree but why is it not ok for the chat? I would like red/blue there.
Good point, I added that in kind of as an afterthought and rather wish I hadn't, now.
MrRado1 votesI actually LIKE the idea of colored names in the chat box for easily seeing which team is which.
But I do agree that it was better not having side-colored names in the upper right roster box. (I used the red-name to help report leavers as well)
EchoZeero1 votesFirst time I saw it I thought the enemy all disconnected, this new color scheme is confusing as hell. This changes is completely unneeded and confuses more than it clarifies anything.
