Am i the only one who doesnt want Voice Chat in league?

warpenguin555·Feb 7, 2016·256 votes·7,968 views

The last thing i need is to hear somebody's legit flaming, arguing with parents, or Porn blasting through the thing just to troll. Even if you could turn it off, that would be a huge disadvantage. Im fine with using curse and skype because you actually have to be invited to the call and trolling with friends can be handled easily, but a voice chat where you cant even control whos in it or how badly they might misuse the system is just a bad idea to me.

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HI IM DAISY 83Feb 7, 201647 votes

The tribunal just couldn't work for voice either. People would just stop typing and be toxic via voice, since it is much harder to control voice over text. Instead of having a system that detects toxic text messages, they would have to listen to long audio logs.

It just isn't feasible.

SairentosutokaFeb 7, 20161 votes

I'm sure there would be a way. maybe have the ingame voice run through a system in league that jots down the chat.

It Hertz When IPFeb 7, 20169 votes

Because voice-to-text transcription is so reliable. /s

Pacifica CasullFeb 8, 20161 votes

yah, its only up to 99% accuracy.

http://www.nuance.com/dragon/index.htm

AdminAnonymousFeb 8, 20161 votes

In a place that specifically works with that software I can tell you that out of the box is probably 85% accurate. With a trained profile after three weeks it's about 95% and training takes time and some input from you to do it that fast. A lot of input from you.

ZeranaFeb 10, 20161 votes

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In a place that specifically works with that software I can tell you that out of the box is probably 85% accurate. With a trained profile after three weeks it's about 95% and training takes time and some input from you to do it that fast. A lot of input from you.

Yes but it's better than no voice chat, and with such inaccuracy it may even encourage more people to talk during matches until it perfectly recognizes the players voice.

Urgonnalearn2dayFeb 7, 20161 votes

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The tribunal just couldn't work for voice either. People would just stop typing and be toxic via voice, since it is much harder to control voice over text. Instead of having a system that detects toxic text messages, they would have to listen to long audio logs.

It just isn't feasible.

Yes in 2016 it is not feasible...

Really?

HI IM DAISY 83Feb 7, 201629 votes

"It is the current year"?

Can this argument be a logical fallacy yet? The current year has nothing to do with it. There isn't a way to mass monitor voice chat that isn't horribly huge in data costs, such as bandwidth to save the data for EVERY match, for the tribunal, right now that is just a text file, which is 1-3 kb. Riot doesn't save replays for tribunal cases because it is just to large, and audio files for every match would be even larger then a replay.

Plus, they would need an automated system that can tell friendly banter from aggressive and toxic speech. It just is not feasible, no matter what the current year is.

GavranFeb 7, 20164 votes

It's 20 goddamn 16 how is it we still have poor arguments like that being made!

1 800 MID LANEFeb 8, 20164 votes

It's a fair argument. Transferring audio is much more costly than a simple .txt. From what people post, the text files being sent are 5kb at best. Assuming that's about 5 minutes of audio, an MP3 file of the same length is about 10MB. 2,000x the size of the similar text files and that's assuming that each sentence is stated fairly close together. Which they're not in most cases. Most are throughout the course of an entire game which would make it at LEAST 20 minutes in length. Shorter on pretty rare occasions.

In case you want my math to double-check if I'm right or not:

1Kb = 1,000b

5Kb = 5,000b

1Mb = 1,000Kb = 1,000,000b

10Mb = 10,000Kb = 10,000,000b

10,000,000b / 5,000b = 2,000

Monkey D LuffyFeb 7, 20164 votes

Be realistic, how many of your games has a toxic player in it? Look at CS:GO for example, the voice chat in that is fine.

ZeurthFeb 7, 20167 votes

honestly since dynamic queue, about 60-70%

Supreme Senpai69Feb 8, 201612 votes

When someone dies in a game like call of duty, it doesn't grant the one who killed them more power. I think that's why the game is so toxic tbh. When you make a mistake, it doesn't cost you, it costs your entire team.

Monkey D LuffyFeb 8, 20162 votes

I hate the saying but it is a team game so...

Supreme Senpai69Feb 8, 20166 votes

Well I'm not complaining lol, I'm just pointing out there'd be more toxicity in a game like this rather than a FPS so it's difficult to compare

ChaoticPineconeFeb 7, 20167 votes

You know - ive always thought voice chat was a good idea. Then I played CS:GO and realized that while its useful to coordinate and stuff, the amount of music (and weird "music") and spam made me realize I hate voice chat. I dont mute people in League no matter how toxic they are, but ive found myself multiple muting people in CS:GO.

Though to be fair, there is very little toxicity. I think the human voice forces people to recognize the person behind the computer, and stops them from saying things they wouldnt say in life (though I've heard people tell kids to stop talking on the mic if they sound prepubescent). There is very little flaming or anything. Its just spam.

All. The. Time.

Sirius GGFeb 10, 20161 votes

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The tribunal just couldn't work for voice either.

Good one. "Tribunal". Didn't that thing exist at some point?

SurgespaceFeb 7, 201611 votes

Would immediately mute everyone in the game.

AuroramancerFeb 7, 20168 votes

I think it could be a good thing if, you, the player, could opt-in or opt-out of the voice chat service. Not the same thing as "muting" other players that you're automatically connected to. If you aren't opted in, then you aren't going to be connected to other players by voice AT ALL. And if you do opt-in, then you can mute as you please.

One of Riot's concerns is that it will be harder to track voice chat logs for toxicity, which is legitimate. Hard to automate toxicity detection when it comes to sound waves, as opposed to reference-able text.

XietninFeb 7, 20168 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n7KstfRzvs Siv HD has gone through this situation in the past. He's got a very interesting take on it.

NichtHurzFeb 8, 20162 votes

Even though I really wouldn't like voice chat in-game, he makes some good points. What could be a problem is that people might rely more on voice chat, so if you had this one guy you had to mute or who doesn't use voice chat, you'd still have to ping and write all the stuff. And while on NA most people are able to speak english, in Europe this would be more problematic. French people are generally quite bad at english (not saying french people are bad, but other languages are not liked this much in France), even I have lots of people in my friendlist who are 16 and can't even understand the most fucking simple english ever written and I don't think this would get any better in EUNE, since you've got even more languages there and those who don't speak english couldn't make any good use of a voice chat.

MrBuffingtonFeb 7, 20167 votes

I'd like the option to enter into party chat with friends, otherwise, no. Pings are fine for game-communication

warpenguin555Feb 7, 20165 votes

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I'd like the option to enter into party chat with friends, otherwise, no. Pings are fine for game-communication

Now that I feel would be fine.

ZenaniiFeb 8, 20166 votes

Just make it like all chat: Off by default.

I just can't fathom why people are opposed to completely optional additional features.

TurquoiseYoshiFeb 8, 20165 votes

Because then you have to choose between personal enjoyment or a competitive advantage. And that's just not a good choice to have to make.

ZenaniiFeb 8, 20163 votes

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Because then you have to choose between personal enjoyment or a competitive advantage. And that's just not a good choice to have to make.

How is this different from hosting a teamspeak server and invite pubbies to join in? Yes, it's more complicated and a lot of games your allies won't be interested/not have ts installed, but in the long run it will be giving you an edge.

So you're basically arguing that it should be harder to communicate with your team just so you can ignore voice chat without playing at a disadvantage? Why don't we disable chat (and pings) altogether while we're at it? Would solve 95% of all flaming and toxicity in league!

MyrmironFeb 7, 20165 votes

Voice chat is along with sandbox mode and a replay system one of the things league desperately needs. If you get easily offended by players abusing the system you can turn it off. But other players must be able to see who is participating in the voice chat and who not. When I play dota, or even ANY game with a voice chat, there's rarely a problem with flamers. The only reason why we don't have voice chat yet is because Riot is too afraid of all the crybabies in the community that would demand moderation of the voice chat, which is not possible by an automated system.

AntiSkillshotFeb 8, 20163 votes

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Voice chat is along with sandbox mode and a replay system one of the things league desperately needs. If you get easily offended by players abusing the system you can turn it off. But other players must be able to see who is participating in the voice chat and who not. When I play dota, or even ANY game with a voice chat, there's rarely a problem with flamers. The only reason why we don't have voice chat yet is because Riot is too afraid of all the crybabies in the community that would demand moderation of the voice chat, which is not possible by an automated system.

And there is it friends. The ugly truth. Riot wants their moderation (In game, not on the boards) to be automatic. Automated. So they don't have to pay people to do something outside making content. It would be impossible for an automated system to moderate sound waves.

Even when I played MW2 a long while back, I never ran into anyone going on a rant and cussing everyone out. And this is CoD we're talking about. One of the most negative lighted communities back in the day.

How is it possible that I never heard anyone go berserk in a game with one of the most negatively lighted communities around? Normally, once someone's literal voice is thrown into the mix, anonymity is thrown out the window. Once you start using your voice, things become more personal. Do people still go berserk even with a voice chat? Yeah, but it's so few and far between that saying it's a negative that outweights the positive is a lie.

CamaHaFeb 7, 20165 votes

To all ppl saying "i dont want to hear toxicity"

There's always mute button FFS. Voice chat is a must for team play based game.

HI IM DAISY 83Feb 8, 20162 votes

A mute button is a sign of a problem, not a solution.

Hyrum GraffFeb 8, 20161 votes

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A mute button is a sign of a problem, not a solution.

Have everyone muted on voice by default, then unmute selectively once they prove they're not toxic in chat.

HI IM DAISY 83Feb 8, 20162 votes

Circular logic is bad m8

If you mute everyone in the first place, then what is the point of even adding and moderating it?

WeepinShadesFeb 9, 20162 votes

How about instead of being incredibly sensitive you let everyone else use voice (unmoderated) while you disable it. Then everyone else that is too sensitive for it can disable it too. This is how every other modern, competitive game works by the way. And no league is not any different than dota 2, cs go, etc.

You get what you want and the people who want voice chat get what they want!

HI IM DAISY 83Feb 9, 20162 votes

Personally, I agree with you 100%. I think thick skin on the internet is a great thing, and am against PC culture myself.

However, RIOT isn't. RIOT would requite moderation to avoid any possible hurt feelings in any way. I know they would, they would not implement a way of communication without being able to track it.

CamaHaFeb 8, 20162 votes

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A mute button is a sign of a problem, not a solution.

Are u gonna say same thing for report button?

HI IM DAISY 83Feb 8, 20162 votes

I will, yes.

A solution will be a way to make players less enraged or etc in some way, which is impossible yes, but regardless is a proper solution, reports take a few games to do anything, and is a sign there is a problem if you need to report in the first place.

DeBigMoistFeb 8, 20165 votes

My friends and I have been using discord to get people on our team into a voice chat. Discord is easy for people to use because you give the person a link they click it. Then it opens up in your browser and your set, No installing anything. If they are toxic you can ban them but out of the 20 games I have used it only one person was toxic.

Lady DonatellaFeb 7, 20164 votes

Until the community can grow up and accept people of different ages, races, and gender then maybe we can have it.

HI IM DAISY 83Feb 7, 201628 votes

This isn't the problem, this isn't some patriarchy racism and misogyny. It is just people get really salty and really angry, those are the only reasons.

I am not justifying being toxic, but you think they are toxic for the wrong reasons.

WimbledofyFeb 7, 20165 votes

yeah it really isn't about "accepting." You can dislike dancers or something random and not be rude about it. People just need to learn to control their temper or watch what they say.

Hyrum GraffFeb 8, 20163 votes

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This isn't the problem, this isn't some patriarchy racism and misogyny. It is just people get really salty and really angry, those are the only reasons.

I am not justifying being toxic, but you think they are toxic for the wrong reasons.

It is, however, true, that gamers who are perceived to be women receive more abuse than those who are thought to be male.

PrinceBedazzledFeb 8, 20164 votes

I agree. Have you ever played dota? the voice chat is insane people are psychos, flamers, 10 years old, or angry russians.

SairentosutokaFeb 7, 20163 votes

i would like it obviously you will be able to mute people but i can't tell you the amount of people that are oblivious to pings. even my friend who has over 2k wins never notices pings he also refuses to read chat or chat to people and complains when he gets ganked despite there being a ping followed by the mid laner saying "Bot care mid is missing" whenever hes pushing.

only time he will listen is with voice chat it this isn't an uncommon thing this is very common amongst LoL players mainly those who blast music while playing instead of having it at a level where you can hear it and the ingame SFX. ingame voice would be wonderful to help you with those who ignore pings.

I Genuinly cannot count the amount of games i lost because me or someone else pings to our adc or w/e that is pushing too far that hey %%%%% theres 3 coming to you in the jungle i know you don't like looking at the map or anything but hey you really should leave. but the don't die oh they go to do baron we try to stop them we lose or even if we get it we still got 30 secs till our 5th is back so they can push inhib either way...

voice would be nice just let me mute assholes and 8 years olds.

cuddlykitten4Feb 7, 20162 votes

but....wouldn't their music be too loud to hear the voice chat if that were the case?

It Hertz When IPFeb 7, 20161 votes

Not if there was a setting like in Skype and TS where incoming sound from VoIP causes other sounds sources to be turned down temporarily.

llamasxFeb 8, 20163 votes

I actually am curious if most of the people who don't want voice chat have played Ranked games with voice chat in other games before. I find that besides the very occasional whiner, the flame isn't as bad as text only games I've played.

Casual/normal game modes on the other hand are filled with what you described: trolls, loud music, porn sounds, flame. But because they're casual games, my muting threshold is much, much lower so the instant I hear them speak i mute them and actually get less pissed than in a text only game such as league because I mute the person before I even get mad.

My experience with voice chat enabled games when I get a team of people who speak is great. I find a lot of people who have mics don't talk, and the flame is generally less than text only games. But that is only in my experience.

InivtesPreezeFeb 7, 20162 votes

Yes, you are.

JasiwelFeb 8, 20162 votes

I don't know, I think it could work just fine. Maybe it's just me, but I find it easier to talk others down from being angry rather than typing. While League players can be utterly sinister in typed chat, I've found most anyone willing to go into voice chat often just wants to communicate or have fun.

On top of that, I find those who are using voice chat are less aggressive in typed chat because they have another outlet. And if they're super aggressive and asinine anyways...then that's just the way they are with the game and you report/mute followed by moving on with your day. Yesterday I muted someone who was being a dick...and it felt great.

SocialBu77erflyFeb 9, 20162 votes

I agree with this because no offence to the players of LOL but theyre are some creeps. I feel like there would be that ONE person that would be like a child raper and ruin it for everyone or just be annoying af the whole game

CerebralKnightFeb 9, 20162 votes

I think they should put one in, you can simply mute the person you do not wish to hear or hear you and problem is solved, also forces more team work makes for better playing with better communication. Also having to talk to people will cut down on trolls and toxic, a lot of people are braver to be toxic when they don't have to do it via voice, too many keyboard warriors.