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Quit B****ing when your Support has more Kills

TNHA Baritone··124 votes·7,373 views

This irks me because an ADC with 0-0-5 250 CS can easily kill an ADC with 5-0-0 150 CS. And the only reason Supports "steal kills" is to make sure YOU don't die to the assassin coming for you. So when I "accidentally" kill the 150 HP Riven while you've 50 HP, DO NOT BLAME ME! Besides...when you think about it, I just happen to get some extra pocket change (assists grant gold too btw), I get more active items to protect you with, more ability power to heal you with, more health to tank the damage you're NOT taking, and more resistances to make sure I don't fall like a wet tissue.** #SorryButNotSorryKS**

Cause I know some jerk will come here and say "well my support ks's when I can kill the person" and my response to you is, "Ok...Didn't you get some gold from it too? Didn't you have a whole 15 minutes to just sit there and CS? I'm sorry that you didn't because if you did, you wouldn't be complaining"

With that being said, if you're ADC can get the kill, and is weak, while other members of the team are fed, there shouldn't be any worry. Sometimes the carry gets carried. Be happy and take a win. #JustFarmDuringLanePhase&YouShouldBeGood

I'm done apologizing for doing my job.

195 Comments

warpenguin55550 votes

ADC: FKING NOOB I NEED KILLS. FK THIS SUPPORT. LOST ME LANE. Me(Support): Ok bye. ADC: WTF I JUST DIED 2V1 WHERE WERE YOU NOOB SUPPORT? Me: I was mid/top. you dug your own grave and keep digging it deeper.

Rakvir28 votes

{quoted}

ADC: FKING NOOB I NEED KILLS. FK THIS SUPPORT. LOST ME LANE. Me(Support): Ok bye. ADC: WTF I JUST DIED 2V1 WHERE WERE YOU NOOB SUPPORT? Me: I was mid/top. you dug your own grave and keep digging it deeper.

Yep, and WE are the ones who get reported at the end, win or lose.

The vast majority of people who play this game have literally no, and I mean absolutely ZERO, comprehension of cause-and-effect. They ignore everything that led to the consequences and then play the act of "oh poor me, the victim in all this" when they did nothing but shit-talk their support all game long.

And the fact everyone else on the team and sometimes even the enemy team takes the side of the ADC.

Uh huh.

So.......any chance I can get teamed with mature adults who understand the basic premise of treating others with decency? You don't have to like me but if you go well out of your way to treat me like shit, don't turn around and IMMEDIATELY, honestly, expect me to be begging you to let me kiss and wipe your ass for you.

Life doesn't work that way.

A Liberal17 votes

I've done this with Bard so many times.

Bard Lays down 3 HP packs, portals, stuns, exhaust and ults enemy champion Vayne Ignores HP packs, doesn't use portal, keeps trying to attack enemy champions at 1/4 hp Vayne An ally has been slain Vayne "Wtf bard why don't you peel for me, god such a crap champion" Bard "Hoop Bloop AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY~~!" Nasus An enemy has been slain

Yes this was a real situation that happened to me once and I remember it very saltily because it was one of my friends who was the vayne, except the vayne was a kog'maw. We didn't play for a week or so after that one xD

V The Support V8 votes

Good thing Bard is not concerned with the problems of others..

Loco Little7 votes

{quoted}

ADC: FKING NOOB I NEED KILLS. FK THIS SUPPORT. LOST ME LANE. Me(Support): Ok bye. ADC: WTF I JUST DIED 2V1 WHERE WERE YOU NOOB SUPPORT? Me: I was mid/top. you dug your own grave and keep digging it deeper.

If you leave lane thats actually worse for the team then any toxic adc.

  • Adc gets 2v1 so zoned off, loses xp/farm and possibly dies, allowing enemy adc to get ahead

  • you take xp from mid and top, where an xp advantage rather than a gold advantage is much more important.

Obviously you were kinda joking with your comment but just felt I should comment in case anyone thought this would be Ok to actually do in-game.

LF Annie7 votes

i see no reason that leaving an adc isn't acceptable, if they are harassing you, you are not the adc's support, you are your team's support, so support a member of the team that appreciates it. #imnoturpunchingbag

Streetlight Man13 votes

As a support main, I know that I should never steal kills

From my adc

Everyone else is free game

TNHA Baritone8 votes

{quoted}

As a support main, I know that I should never steal kills

From my adc

Everyone else is free game

Is it stealing when you saved their life? Cause by all means, I could have them die and still get the kill.

Streetlight Man10 votes

It is safe to make sure your ally dies so they don't steal your kill.

This will allow you to avoid the situation you stated conpletely, and you will have a 100 percent chance of getting the kill

EndlessSorcerer11 votes

It even makes the enemy champion more valuable when you do kill them.

Win-Win.

Rendarkan28 votes

Sona item 3100 item 3285 item 3089 item 3157 item 3135 item 2301 Sure I'll play "Support"

MrBuffington13 votes

Brand Velkoz

(◕‿◕✿)

SeductiveGrandpa14 votes

Haha, I also like to play "Support" Lux Corki "Lux, why are you building Mejais?" Lux "Shhhh....." CONTINUES TO R SNIPE

Melledoneus8 votes

Bloodthirsty supports. Annie item 3072 item 3072 item 3072 item 3072 item 3072item 3072

macromite3 votes

there is no such thing as a kill steal. unless your adc is draven. other wise ks stands for kill secure.

Bladerunner77779 votes

{quoted}

I get more active items to protect you with, more ability power to heal you with, more health to tank the damage you're NOT taking

Zyra item 3092 item 3151 item 3020 item 3116 item 3089 item 3135

heh...

TNHA Baritone7 votes

You can build full ap and still peel. You have CC in your kit. CC is peel. You peel them and their HP

Bladerunner77779 votes

{quoted}

You can build full ap and still peel. You have CC in your kit. CC is peel. You peel them and their HP

"peel" "kill", it's all the same to me

DorkunedAuras15 votes

You peel by nuking everything

TNHA Baritone11 votes

Peel is anything that prevents an ally from dying If I one shot that Vayne, my ally didn't die. #PEEL

DorkunedAuras11 votes

MasterYi item 3931 item 3153 item 3031 item 3124 item 3006 item 3072

I'M PEELING SO HARD GUYS. YOU CAN'T EVEN HANDLE THE PEEL.

A Liberal8 votes

I have literally made clutch-kills at just the end of my skillshot range before, with my adc at low hp behind me and then been flamed for "ks". I've also been yelled at for ks'ing with Zyra plants... like excuse me let me just turn those off real quick.

TNHA Baritone7 votes

You can turn the plants off by pressing mute right next to that bastards name. Tell him that LOL

Deep Terror Nami7 votes

Sometimes I'll accidentally get too many kills, and at a certain point I just stop trying to avoid it.

Itadaki Seieki3 votes

Yeahhh. When I play Bard and I accidently kill someone with Meep+Thunderlords I apologize like crazy because I always have that issue of a Meep spawning AS I AUTO and it kills the person. Most people seem to be okay with it, but some. ;_;

TNHA Baritone6 votes

YOU DONT YOU THE HALF. I APOLOGIZE A SHIT TON SOOOOOOOO MUCH. OK so I play Sona and her W Power Chord is Diminuendo and it reduces the damage of the enemy who you target it with, and YEAH IT DOES DMG but guess what? Because I tried to save my ADCs life, I get blamed.

Itadaki Seieki4 votes

I would have been fine with just the heal, but if you build AP on Sona that's what's going to happen.

Looking at your League Match History with your build. It's bound to happen with LB and Luden's.

Jorencice7 votes

Yea but a 5/0/0 250 cs adc will beat a 0/0/5 250 cs adc

There's no reason for the adc with kills to have less cs randomly.

Billy VoHagen5 votes

Honestly, it depends on who the ADC and who the support is.

Actually xPeke5 votes

I love when im a high damage support (Karma, Lux, Annie) and i just 1vs1 their adc alone and get kills and then they ask "Karma why do you have 3 kills omfg i need them" "Well sir, 2 of them were kills i made when you werent here and the other one was a secure"

Although, most of the time i end up building Lux/Annie/Karma full ap because of the ridiculous amount of kills i get from stupid enemy ADCs understimating my damage and i end up carrying

TNHA Baritone7 votes

Same, Its no secret, I play AP Sona and mid game I can pretty much solo the ADC unless they are fed so when I'm asked that I ask the ADC, "Did you want me to teleport you to where and when I got the kill so you can try to kill him, die doing so, and then make me have to kill that champion?"

KaisadiIIa7 votes

Vayne: KS Brand: You didn't even get an assist. Vayne: ... Brand: ... Vayne: KS Vayne: Report Brand.

Actually xPeke4 votes

It's worse when: Brand has been attacking enemy adc since the enemy adc was full health Vayne walks in when enemy adc has 100hp and finally starts doing something Brand gets kill because vayne just came and their adc walked away so he secured it

Vayne: KS noob reported

KaisadiIIa3 votes

I think this game can be summed up to:

Vayne: Reprot n00b supp

ValyrianBlade4 votes

Eh it goes both ways here.

I had an ADC game today. I cs'd well. I felt like I carried. I commented at the end of the game that my support had more kills than me. I wasn't complaining that he stole kills, just making a comment. It explained my day on league pretty well, even when I played everything really well I just couldn't get a kill! I had the most gold on the map, second most damage dealt to champions, and after all of that only 4 kills (support had 5).

In this sense I wasn't complaining and had no right to. I know no one was stealing kills. We were in teamfights. Other players just happened to get the last hit. It was hectic because everyone wanted to do damage and not die. That's why we won.

At the same time, if you have a kill available and the wrong player takes it, it can make a big difference. I'm not talking about the 200g difference between first blood and assist on first blood. I think that's not a big difference. The bigger thing is the half level of xp you get for killing someone the same level as you.

Sometimes I see someone snowballing on gold and not levels and become near impossible to stop. It does happen, but rarely.

Far more often, I see people snowball with both. I do however also see people snowball with levels and not gold. They can have less cs and less gold and still wreck you because they've got 3 levels on you. 4 early kills equates to 2 full levels. Put that on a solo laner who already typically has a 2 level lead on bot lane. You now have a level 9 solo laner against a level 5 bot lane. You've barely started and it's game over.

I think if you can put the kills on the same player early and snowball them a level advantage, do it. It makes a huge difference. It invalidates their lane opponent and makes bot lane unable to go anywhere for fear of getting caught. Later, share the kills as much as possible. You want your bot lane to catch up in xp and levels. You want everyone to have gold, so if anyone gets caught/targeted the others are still useful. A player who continues to take every kill through the end of mid game and proceeds to get killed once will cost his team the game because 40% of their gold is now out of commission.

Dayblazer4 votes

I have a adc duo who competes with me to get kills. Instead of being angry of kills I get (specially early game) we made it into a contest. When we switch roles in normals we have the same contest just reversed roles. He's started to understand its not easy to purposely take the kill even as zyra support.

In the end it doesn't matter who gets the kill bot cause alot of the supports being used right now scale well with extra gold.

Doctor Dyment4 votes

But, what if I play Draven? I can at least begin to feel a bit upset after multiple kills are taken from me yes? I mean, isn't the whole point of the kit to get kills, not give them to others?

CoolHandJack4 votes

because the map is dark and full of junglers, I am always PRAYING to the lord of the light for those early support kills as nothing is better then coming back to lane and the support has sightstone and upgraded support item.

Father Cthulhu3 votes

I only actually get upset when it's a blatantly obvious ks, like when you have them rooted in your Jinx traps, and its a melee that can't touch you, and then Sona walks up and smashes the Q button for no reason... Even then, the most I say is "really man?"

TNHA Baritone5 votes

In that situation it depends. If they are 25% HP Sure, but if they are like 75% Hp then no. Sona's Q gives you dmg too.

TheGosuStandard3 votes

ADC main here, if my support is an AP & takes the kill I officially become their support

TheStevenWu3 votes

Argument to end all argument:

As a support, I am (or should be) doing less damage then all of you. Therefore, if I get a kill, it's not my fault; it is your fault for not doing enough damage or being out of position to land the kill.

What are my jobs as the support? To win lane and protect my ADC. It is NOT to get my ADC fed. It is the ADC's responsibility to get fed. My jobs and ONLY jobs are to win lane and protect my ADC.

How do I accomplish my job?

  1. Warding (protecting)
  2. Tanking (protecting)
  3. Healing (protecting)
  4. Peeling (protecting)
  5. Setting up CS (winning)
  6. Initiating when appropriate (winning)
  7. Pushing when appropriate (winning)
  8. SECURING KILLS (WINNING AND PROTECTING)

ADC's job:

  1. Farming (not my fault if you suck at this)
  2. Not dying (positioning - not my fault if you suck at this)
  3. Killing (not my fault if you suck at this)
SociopathFriend2 votes

At the same time though, if you have the choice, let the ADC get the kill. There's going to be times when you don't have the choice- and quite honestly most ADCs I've come across are well aware that the choice between death or assist is not a hard one- but otherwise a fed ADC is going to be better than a fed Support.

It Hertz When IP4 votes

Eh, depends on the support. If I'm going support Vel'koz and I get fed, I become a backup AP carry quite easily. Not that I'm going to steal kills, but if I can surprise that low-HP Vayne under her tower with my ult range, I'm going to go for it, if only to stop my retarded ADC from trying to dive for her LC$BIGPLAY$ style.

SociopathFriend3 votes

Depends on the carry too honestly. We've all had that game where the ADC is just bad. Not trolling and not a newbie, but genuinely, 100% just bad at the role.

I make zero apologies for the game I had to carry as Nami in botlane, after the 15 minute mark or so I flat-out just told the ADC to stay in the damn jungle and leave me alone to 2v1. Jungler wasn't happy about that but he knew the player was not doing anything in-lane but dying. Some ADCs are just bad- I don't funnel gold to people who can't use it properly. Not even 50 cs at 15 minutes is horrible and there's no getting around that.

Troll for Trump1 votes

Exception to this rule is the Overlord Draven . Seriously. He snowballs really easily, and his reworked passive is entirely based on him getting kills; It's not the kills that Draven deserves(the supp will do a lot more) but the kills that he needs.

Zedex1 votes

There is literally 0 reason for a support to be securing kills. If the support has to secure a kill the ADC failed. If you faceroll as Sona and kill steal all the time, you fail. You get a lot more gold for getting kills, and if you're a decent player you'll realize giving that gold to the carry will help you snowball and win (which is the grand point of the fucking game btw, not taking all the kills from your carry to see if they get upset, im looking at you Sona players) faster, which means more LP, which means more rank, which means more inflated egos.

A Wild AP Sona1 votes

[{quoted}](name=HalaVar Hikari,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ogs54TyE,comment-id=002e,timestamp=2015-12-30T16:58:07.974+0000)

There is literally 0 reason for a support to be securing kills. If the support has to secure a kill the ADC failed. If you faceroll as Sona and kill steal all the time, you fail. You get a lot more gold for getting kills, and if you're a decent player you'll realize giving that gold to the carry will help you snowball and win (which is the grand point of the fucking game btw, not taking all the kills from your carry to see if they get upset, im looking at you Sona players) faster, which means more LP, which means more rank, which means more inflated egos.

http://www.twitch.tv/awildapsona

so how fuckin salty are you that I do NOTHING but kill steal and im still d2 was peak elo of d1 60 lp s4 and your stuck in silver that I can elo boost with 1 hand in?

thats not all folks

not only do I proudly steal kills from my team but I also enact a "musician tax" and regularly take 1-2 cs from a lane just because

I sometimes tax my adc without him even knowing by intentionally last hitting with my q while I poke the enemy just so he doesnt even realize hes being taxed

just how mad? HOW mad?

gonna squirm in your chair now?

Zedex1 votes

^ The ego that comes along with rank, clearly.

In a perfect scenario, the support should not have to secure kills, and they never will as long as their laning partner is decent enough.

But you're obviously better then your lane partners and can solo lane bot as Sona, so who am I to judge you.

Sorry Diamond 2 overlord, I won't ever post something that upsets you so again I swear! God forbid you link your Twitch stream as a sort of, "Gold Star" to further infer the ego point I stated in my OP.

Enjoy raging ADCs and playing the solo game.

A Wild AP Sona3 votes

[{quoted}](name=HalaVar Hikari,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=ogs54TyE,comment-id=002e00010000,timestamp=2015-12-30T21:27:06.730+0000)

^ The ego that comes along with rank, clearly.

In a perfect scenario, the support should not have to secure kills, and they never will as long as their laning partner is decent enough.

But you're obviously better then your lane partners and can solo lane bot as Sona, so who am I to judge you.

Sorry Diamond 2 overlord, I won't ever post something that upsets you so again I swear! God forbid you link your Twitch stream as a sort of, "Gold Star" to further infer the ego point I stated in my OP.

Enjoy raging ADCs and playing the solo game.

yeah I give my adc some kills if he seems worthy enough but many of my adcs forget just one thing

who the fuck served up those kills for them and spent the past 5 minutes poking them down/dodging life or death thresh/blitz hooks just so I can poke and do 60 damage? me

my adc did jack shit besides last hit a good support literally carries the adc to mid/end game so without me he wouldnt exist he isnt allowed to exist as the ad carry until I say he exists either

im not going to give you all the cs AND all the kills just because you are playing a marksman champion if I can clearly determine your mechanics are shitstain on rug tier and you lack sufficient skills to actually carry the game

as you already said the game is about winning which doesnt mean that the adc is always suitable to carry the game

I think of it that way solely to put the adc drama queen neckbearded vaynes in their place that think the entire game revolves solely around them and that all 4 teammates exist solely to worship the adc and let him get montage clips

a fed sona actually is far more important to the team mid game than an adc is mid game infact a fed sona out duels a fed adc mid game

its not until end game that the adc finally is important

a fed sona roams the map with massive move speed and frost queens and invades enemy jungler/ganks every lane and actually outganks your jungler so by getting 1-2 kills early you can snowball out of control and easily carry the game for your team

then late game you can just dive/assassinate the enemy adc/mage

cant do that if your 0-10-15 as the support sorry bro

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