I have 110K IP. Riot, when will you be finally releasing more things (like IP skins)?

ChickenWrap·Aug 4, 2014·14 votes·914 views

I'd at least like to gift IP to someone, I mean that would be cool right? Let us buy champions for people on our friends list for maybe 1.5x the price?

30 Comments

Linna ExcelAug 4, 20142 votes

Or let people gift IP to friends.

ChickenWrapAug 4, 20146 votes

That's the very first thing I said in the body of the post.

Linna ExcelAug 4, 20143 votes

Yes it was. Still worth repeating.

ChickenWrapAug 4, 20143 votes

Hue

12talesAug 4, 20142 votes

I think the main concern with allowing IP to be gifted is that it would allow people to make accounts for the sole purpose of trolling through bot games and funneling the IP gains into their main.

I agree that some sort of feature should be added to let veterans spend their IP. Dunno what, though.

ChickenWrapAug 4, 20142 votes

Minimum level requirement: 30.

Done.

Also, do you really gain more IP by playing bot games on a low level account? I thought it was the same.

12talesAug 4, 20142 votes

Well, you get XP from bot games too, so that'd be more delaying it than preventing it.

Also, while bot games technically give the equal or less IP than normal games, they end up being a lot more profitable than normal games because of the 100% win rate.

ChickenWrapAug 4, 20142 votes

Minimum level of the gifter must be 30. Don't see what's wrong with gifting you new account some champions that you love to play when you're playing to help your friends or something like that instead of waiting for free weeks.

12talesAug 4, 20141 votes

Well, the issue would arise when people start using scripts to grind a new account to level 30 (fucking up countless games in the process) and auction off the IP. Spreading the love between friends is great, of course, but there's a lot of potential for abuse.

ChickenWrapAug 4, 20141 votes

It's just as easy to do it on a main account as it is on a new account. Plus since you can only buy champions, how would such a thing be abused? Pay us 5 dollars and we'll buy you a champ worth... Five dollars?

12talesAug 4, 20141 votes

Well, there's pretty much no effort involved in having a script run passively on a computer, so just about any profit is an excellent work:benefit ratio. So, Pay us 5 dollars and we'll buy you champs worth 50 dollars.

ChickenWrapAug 4, 20141 votes

To gift 5 6300 camps with the proposed 1.5x ratio, it would cost someone 47250 IP. Assuming you get 110 IP per win, it would take 429 wins to achieve the proposed "GIve us 5 dollars and we'll buy you 5 6300s." Plus, scripts don't have a very high win percentage, so let's reduce it to about 90 IP per win, leading to 525 games required for such a deal. If each game lasts half an hour, it would take almost 11 days of complete non-stop playing. Then one would have to sit on their friends list for about a month before actually giving away the champions.

Farming MMO gold is far easier and with a far better yield than farming IP would be.

12talesAug 4, 20141 votes

Mhm.

Do you at least get my general point? Even if you disagree with the economic viability of the exact business model I proposed?

ChickenWrapAug 4, 20143 votes

I do, but I just feel it's a preposterous notion.

Neo CyrusAug 4, 20141 votes

Nearly everyone I've seen with tons of IP like you (who already own all the champions and runes they need) are Plat+. Making the minimum requirement Gold+ would stop botters almost dead in their tracks.

ChickenWrapAug 4, 20141 votes

While this would work, It wouldn't be fair to people who do have all the champions before then. I think I finished buying every champion with IP in early Season 3 when I was still silver, and that's where most of the playerbase is and would promote attempted hacking of accounts if, for some reason, people felt this was somehow a reliable source of income.

StaconaAug 4, 20142 votes

Influence Points were designed so that you have to earn the points yourself, so no a gifting option involving IP will never happen and 100% pretty sure Riot has already stated this multiple times in the past that gifting anything directly IP related will never happen since IP items need to be earned by the player. More IP content on the other hand would be nice though, like create a butt ton of icons and every icon created should be for RP/IP consumption just like champions, this could also be one way, and the only way, that items can be gifted since icons do not affect the game at all since it is literally nothing more than cosmetics and maybe be able to buy summoner profile banners with RP/IP.

InsaneSamuraiAug 4, 20141 votes

I don't know about the gifting, I think they would avoid doing something like that, but there definitely needs to be more to use IP on. Why not take some of the older, not so impressive skins and let people buy them with a bunch of IP?

lightdragoon88Aug 4, 20141 votes

Like the 520 ones?

StephenizgodAug 4, 20141 votes

The only problem i see with gifting IP is that it would cut back on the amount of people who buy champions cuz they no want to grind, which is profits for Riot which means better releases in the future. But the amount they would be losing is very minor so its a very small problem. You have the right idea though, once you have all champs and max rune pages what else do you buy? there should be something like your ideas.

ChickenWrapAug 4, 20141 votes

To be fair, 1.5x the rate it costs from a normal champion. Plus most of RIot's money comes from skin purchases.

How would it cut back on buying champions though? Almost nobody buys champions with RP, and if you went to a website to get them, they'd probably charge as much as it costs to get RP and buy them yourself. There's no point going to a third party.

zmayer55Aug 4, 20141 votes

I would love IP skins but it doesn't make financial sense for Riot to release skins that can be bought with IP vs RP. However your idea of buying other champs for friends is really cool.

chide da junglerAug 4, 20141 votes

I have 40K IP and don't own even half the champions. Most aren't worth owning anyway.

ChickenWrapAug 4, 20141 votes

The last champion I bought was Trondomire.

SpiritGearAug 4, 20141 votes

They have to pay for a game you can play for free some how

PharrøwAug 4, 20141 votes

IP Gifting would only work without much repercussion if

1.) The Recolor idea gets worked out as a moderate amount of IP for a recolor goes through (3150 IP for Blue Lucian or something)

2.) There was a rank requirement that ensured that you played and excelled at the game (proving that you're human and investing time that's not wasted on farming IP). I wanna say an ideal IP Gifting floor would be Plat V.

3.) IP Gifts could only happen once a week or something. A cooldown would help solve the issue.

There are a lot of complications with such a policy, but it's probably never going to happen anyway.

Drunk Old ManAug 4, 20141 votes

Gifting IP will not be added. It endorses botting, and level limits are not a solution for this. It's possible to bot an account to 30 in under a week from what I've read on GD, and I presume that the amount of IP you'd have gained in that week would be substantial. So, someone bots an account and gets at least 30k free IP for it? That's a problem.

As far as skins for IP goes, that won't happen. Skins are the only real reason people buy RP (the majority, anyway.) and that was the entire reason RP was introduced.

Let us also remember that the entire point of the IP system was that you could buy champions/runes for your arsenal with a currency reflecting your experience in the game. That is to say that, you earn these things by playing the game yourself, not getting gifted them. With the exception of someone spending cash for RP to gift it to you, you have to earn it. That's one of the more appealing aspects of League of Legends, in my opinion. And that's why myself and most of my friends started playing LoL to begin with. It's a game focused on individual skill and teamwork, not Pay2Play or even Pay2Win.

ChickenWrapAug 5, 20141 votes

To gift 5 6300 camps with the proposed 1.5x ratio, it would cost someone 47250 IP. Assuming you get 110 IP per win, it would take 429 wins to achieve the proposed "GIve us 5 dollars and we'll buy you 5 6300s." Plus, scripts don't have a very high win percentage, so let's reduce it to about 90 IP per win, leading to 525 games required for such a deal. If each game lasts half an hour, it would take almost 11 days of complete non-stop playing. Then one would have to sit on their friends list for about a month before actually giving away the champions.

Farming MMO gold is far easier and with a far better yield than farming IP would be.

Implementing this would still not be pay to play or play to win. Personally, I would love to gift champions to my friends and spread the love that is my 110k IP. At worst, people bot to 30. So what? The bots will get banned before they're able to make it anywhere. I also have faith in Riot's commerce team to keep tabs on something like that. With minimum effort on Riot's part, it could become a great asset to the game.

ALternatively, give me black and blue Myrmidon Pantheon.

Drunk Old ManAug 5, 20141 votes

The P2P/P2W comment was made towards League in general (not being one), not this discussion. This wouldn't affect that since it's obviously free currency.

Sure, but "minimum effort" for a community of over 10 million players (and probably 100m+ accounts) is actually a huge effort, and one that requires an entire team. You can argue that there could be an automated system put in place, but then you get into problems with accuracy and false bans. Either way, at this moment in time, the cons far outway the pros for this feature. Who knows though, maybe it will happen in the future.

MyraKaiAug 5, 20141 votes

Personally I would like to see IP only exclusive skins.

For example an cool IP skin that cost 50k and you can't buy it with RP at all. If you REALLY want it you'll have to buy IP boosters or just be patient and save up.

If People really want to buy it with RP directly, have the skin be added to the giant list of skins that come out of the vault during the holiday season once a year.