Why is there still Bard hated?

Krigjer··4 votes·1,049 views

I first picked Bard support just now because I wanted to play him. Our jungler immediately goes 'GG' and locks in Gragas. Maybe this is where he gave up first.

We get into game and everything is fine so far. Top is dying, but nothing drastic immediately. Gragas starts taking dragon at 13 minutes. Enemy jungler Rek'Sai and Zed collapse on him, with Nid and I for backup but they get the dragon and Gragas goes down. Gragas blames MF for not leaving bot lane and says he's going afk. He continues to play and teamfights occasionally, so I didn't consider it a real afk, just a threat.

For the rest of the game, Gragas and our Wukong kept attempting to surrender. I was hitting yes as well because there's no point if half your team has given up, but two people aren't even voting. Towards the end they secured Baron and Gragas sat in Fountain spamming /laugh, not even helping to defend.

In the endgame score screen he says 'u were trash, u first picked bard thats an instant loss hahaha'

**My end score was 2/6/18. **

I continually saved my teammates from Zed's ult by ulting them (free zhonyas!). Our kills were even for most of the game, I honestly thought we could win if we coordinated better.

**But no, it's my fault we lost by picking Bard support. Obviously. **

The game, in case it gets buried in a long match history: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1820598289/36629323?tab=overview

18 Comments

Serevas3 votes

It's because people are used to playing with terrible bard players. I had one the other day. 4 deaths inside of 10 minutes, all to the enemy hyper carry. Only roamed to die to another laner, when I was half health and pushed into turret.

Nobody should play bard in low elo, there's too many intricacies to deal with to effectively play him without heavy team coordination, which you don't get in solo queue. When you're in low elo you don't understand enough of the game to know when to roam properly without leaving your ADC at a massive disadvantage, he sure didn't anyway.

Shogunai1 votes

I think bard can be played in any elo, he is a very versatile support champion an has high game impact potential. His design is to be the true roaming support. Problem is people use him in all the wrong ways possible. They roam when they shouldn't, they ult the wrong targets resulting in team deaths. Players have to play smart with bard, he is one of those high risk high reward champions. He can single-handedly turn a team fight around in any direction. He is also the king of turret dives because his ult works on turrets.

If people took the time to learn him, a lot of people would change their views on him, however people just like to stick with what they know an follow the meta. Even pro's struggle with bard, TSM Lustboy attempted to use him at MSI an he made zero game impact yet there was sparks here an there where he made a good play with him.

Serevas1 votes

The reason I threw in the elo argument is typically in low elo most players, myself included, lack the proper decision making to make those proper roams, ult in proper ways, etc. It's why I main mid lane, I can roam from my lane when I know it's safe to do so, that my turret isn't at risk, and that I'm strong enough to impact the lane I'm going to. It's a very simple process.

Don't get me wrong, if I dedicated numerous games to learning bard, maybe I'd be able to perform better on him, maybe others would too if they did the same, but you ALWAYS have the ADC to worry about, who in Bronze will try to 1v2 almost all the time.

Shogunai3 votes

I definitely agree with you, I main support an I don't play Bard often almost rarely. I know how to play him yet he just isn't my style when it comes to support. I just think if a person puts practice in an really gets him down, he can be a real force regardless of elo. I'm willing to go on a limb an see he can be really good in lower elo's because if you think about it, you can pretty much make your own decision for the team. This is one of the reason's I like Janna so much because I choose when we fight an we we don't. When fights come to a stop with her disengage. Bard is similar to that sorta yet again decision making is a big factor as well like you said. In the right hands he's great. In the wrong hands, he's terrible.

Killstrado2 votes

You know adc is like my worst role, but I'd seriously like to duo with a bard player that wants to learn him, even I'd like to play him but people can be really rude and selfish when you pick him

IcyPepper2 votes

I continually saved my teammates from Zed's ult by ulting them (free zhonyas!).

Why isn't this advertised more?

Dracid1 votes

you are in silver thats why. The casters said it perfectly the other day during a game at MSI. Bard was made for the pro scene plain and simple. He's made for the fast roams. The problem with playing him at low elo is that the odds are the ADC does not know how to 1v2 a lane. Even if bard doesnt roam for whatever reason, he doesnt provide much lane pressure against say Leona or Braum. He's not meant for low elo

Krigjer1 votes

I literally just had a Bard game where my adc said she hated Bard supports because they leave her 1v2 for half the game.

I like Bard, and I like to think I'm a decent Bard. But all this negativity is making me start to hate him too.

Señor Karthus1 votes

He is just bad and chances are that you get a bad Bard like 95% of the times.

IcyPepper2 votes

According to his stats, you get a bad Bard 53% of the time.

A Ocean1 votes

I think you should ask your team (especially ADC and jungler) before locking in Bard. I actually used to make the mistake to let people play him, I never got a Bard who didn't fuck up. Having a bad one - or one who lags - on your team is like a trolling J4 or Anivia, just worse. Of course that Gragas was exaggerating, but Bard is a champ you just don't play in solo queue. Especially not if you don't ask.

Krigjer1 votes

But like you said, it's solo queue. Number one, if I asked what my team preferred, I'd almost always be stuck playing Leona or Morgana. That gets old quick.

Number two, I don't really care if my team doesn't want me playing a certain champ. 'I used to make the mistake of letting people play him' Excuse you, you're not LETTING anyone play anything. You're a stranger in solo-queue. I'll do what I please.

Puri Puri Taric1 votes

cuz people dont know bard and people only play what they are comfortable with. git gud rito.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

it is your fault at least partially. bard is weak and everyone knows he is weak. as soon as you picked him you caused your team to feel negative. probably they should have keep fighting even knowing they have an inferior support but your pick is definitely what started it.

Krigjer1 votes

How is he an inferior support when my scores with him are similar to my other support KDAs?

What you said just cements the idea that the problem is not with me, it's with everyone else. I don't perform worse knowing someone on my team picked an off-meta champion. If the fact that I picked a certain champion made them perform worse, there wasn't much helping them, was there?

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

it doesn't matter if you play better on bard than thresh or any other support. what your teammates believe matters. even if their opinions are wrong, by going against them you are starting the game off on a negative vibe. and thus You are hurting your own team before the match even starts.

if you could help their performance by picking thresh even if you are better on bard then you should do it - if your goal is winning. if you don't care about winning then good for you take bard all day long. personally I love teemo support because I think its hilarious when my teammates rage at me. but that's another story.

Krigjer1 votes

Like I told another person, if I played what my teammates wanted every single time, I would never get to play anything that wasn't Thresh, Morgana, and Leona. I don't go around telling my adcs that Quinn is awful and they shouldn't play her. Why do my teammates get to tell me what to do?

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

because people are babies and if you don't do exactly what they want they are likely to throw a fit. that's why off-meta is considered troll picks. you are making the babies upset. but that's the way it is.

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