Poll: Do you think "toxicity" in League as increased or decreased since season 3?

LaceUp23·Jul 12, 2015·14 votes·1,045 views

In terms of things like verbal abuse as well as toxic gameplay behavior like trolling. Just trying to see how this small sample size of League players view the game.

Edit: Current results 44.45% think the level of toxicity overall has increased. 15.74% think the level of verbal toxicity has increased, but not gameplay toxicity. 11.11% think the level of gameplay toxicity has increased, but not verbal toxicity. 28.70% think that the level of toxicity has not increased. This includes players that think it has decreased, as well as players that think it has held steady or that chat usage has just decreased heavily.

42 Comments

JubbinautJul 12, 20153 votes

I think, overall, that it has - at worst - held steady. I feel like there's been some improvement, but I must recognize that may simply be wishful thinking.

LaceUp23Jul 12, 20151 votes

Fair enough. My point on this is that if it has "held steady" while all these punishments are rolling out, then they must not be working lol. If toxicity seems the same, with all these chat bans they are giving, then it would appear to me the problem is getting worse. I was more so just looking to see if people think Lyte's shenanigans were working at all. It seems like very very very few people I've talked to have thought so.

JubbinautJul 12, 20152 votes

One thing to remember about that is that chat restrictions aren't being issued to the same people that were previously getting bans. The intention was to expand the punishments to reach people that previously wouldn't have been, because their actions weren't worth a ban.

So, yeah, more people are being issued punishments, but that's because a wider range of people now fall into the punishable range.

As for my own experiences, I genuinely cannot remember the last time I had a truly toxic player. Which is why I believe that it has tended towards improvement.

XeroKimoJul 12, 20152 votes

Definitely decreased since season 2 tho..... Season 2 one person does bad.......

"OMFG SCRUB UNINSTALL" "NOOB STOP FEEDING" "GO BACK TO BOTS" "DUDE YOU ARE SO BAD UNINSTALL"

Almost every game

LaceUp23Jul 14, 20151 votes

I didn't play in season 2, so I can't comment on it. I'm not sure when Lyte was in charge. The decrease from season 2 to 3 that you are referring to was probably a result of the tribunal.

BeersteinJul 12, 20152 votes

As someone that's played since before seasons existed long term it's gotten much much worse, as far as s3-s5 though I don't think it's gotten worse. I mean can it?

LaceUp23Jul 12, 20151 votes

Yea, I'm not even sure if s3 is what I want to use. I just think that is when Lyte started playing around, trying to fix toxicity by changing the font on the loading screen.

BeersteinJul 12, 20151 votes

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Yea, I'm not even sure if s3 is what I want to use. I just think that is when Lyte started playing around, trying to fix toxicity by changing the font on the loading screen.

I want ping back.

LaceUp23Jul 12, 20151 votes

Meh, when ping was a thing on the loading screen, I didn't even know what it meant lol. It also created a lot of East coast players to realize how fucked they were.

Now enemy boarders....they need to be a thing lol.

SmokedAlmondsJul 12, 20152 votes

I guess it was about a little over a year ago I was ready to quit because it had gotten so bad. Ragers in almost every single game I played. I don't think it had really gotten much worse since I had started near the end of season 1 but I think I just got sick of dealing with it. So I went from playing tons of games every day to not even playing every day in a pretty short period of time. I cant remember if this was right before the tribunal went down or right after, but it was right around the same time. After a few months of barely playing, maybe only a game or 2 a week, I started to notice that there were less and less ragers. So I started playing more and more again. Now I almost never see any and the ones I do are usually mild. My reports are filed more to hope for chat restrictions rather than perma bans. I also suspect many of them are already chat restricted because they usually aren't saying much.

I never had an issue with intentional feeders, afks, or trolls though. I do see afks on occasion but that's to be expected. Ive only seen like 1 intentional feeder ever and only a couple of trolls.

So I would say that I have seen toxicity drastically decrease since season 3.

Hell WeekJul 12, 20152 votes

increased for sure, constant toxic/troll behaivors everywhere.

Vistha KaiJul 12, 20152 votes

I think the question is wrong.

What changes I observed:

People use chat less, if at all.
/all chat is pretty much dead. Used by mistake at best.
Negative attitude in chat haven't decreased. Changed to be less vulgar? Yes, but that's about it.

PS. Trolling? Why would it change? Riot haven't done anything about it.

LaceUp23Jul 13, 20151 votes

Yeah, well according to rito trolling isn't a problem in League of Legends lol. Well, I'm not sure why they think toxicity is a problem when Lyte says <1% of the player base is toxic.

Remlap1223Jul 13, 20152 votes

Absolutely it has gone up. Because the new ban system rolls out chat restrictions like they're going out of style, but trolls can still feed for hundreds of games and still not get banned. Of course the community has picked up on it, and I have yet to play one single game in months where one person hasn't been toxic. Literally, every single match I've played one person, whether on my team or the enemy's has been toxic.

LaceUp23Jul 13, 20151 votes

Lol, but according to Lyte, only 1% of the player base is toxic xD

Matthias9119Jul 13, 20152 votes

From anecdotal accounts from people who were around before Tribunal was originally rolled out -- it made a huge impact on the number of gratuitously abusive players. Basically, if you were the sort of player who got reported in every other game you played because you started screaming racial slurs in chat, you got banned very quickly. Tribunal had a crazy high punish rate when it first came out, which decreased over time as the really terrible players either started to shape up or got permanent bans.

You'd have to define "toxic gameplay behavior" and "trolling" better for your other questions to have any meaning. I rarely see anyone who I would classify as legitimately griefing (intentional feeding, straight-up rage quits, etc.). Although I don't play much Ranked, so maybe it's worse there. Yeah, you get people who are uncooperative or make bad gameplay decisions sometimes, but that's not really "trolling" so much as "playing bad".

Riot's behavior systems are quite good at picking out players who are consistently being jerks. Most of the negative behavior you see from players these days is someone who's normally fine but having a bad game or bad day. Riot can't psychically predict who's going to get stuffed in their locker at school (or get yelled at by their boss at work, or have a fight with their SO, or whatever) and take it out on a bunch of random League players.

LICENSED HOOKERJul 12, 20151 votes

"Your bad ked" "Stfu fge boy" " Stop feeding"

Im gonna go with a 100% yes. Most game i barley get less than 4 mutes total..

LaceUp23Jul 12, 20151 votes

And just think, you think toxicity is getting worse even though they have rolled out with massive chat bans. Working? I don't think so.

LICENSED HOOKERJul 12, 20151 votes

I love the classic, getting hit with the chat thingie where u have to say "I agree to not be mean" when you dont even do bad. But because multiple reports..op..

LaceUp23Jul 12, 20151 votes

Wait, they have that for chat too? I thought the whole "I agree" thingy was just for afks lol.

LICENSED HOOKERJul 12, 20151 votes

yes >:( it "helps"

JubbinautJul 12, 20151 votes

I haven't heard about anything like this. Are you referring to the pop-up warnings?

LICENSED HOOKERJul 12, 20151 votes

yeah

JubbinautJul 12, 20151 votes

Ah, that explains the confusion, since those are click-throughs.

Honestly, those warnings don't validate reports in any sense. They show up whenever there's a spike in reported games against you - without triggering a review. This is primarily because it's intended as a "head's-up" for players who may normally be good or neutral in their behavior, but may be starting to tilt. So it's more of a check than anything else.

If you aren't breaking any rules, they aren't worth worrying about. But do remember that they aren't indicative of the game immediately prior to receiving them - that may not even have been the trigger, as there's a delay between trigger and display.

LICENSED HOOKERJul 12, 20151 votes

ah it thought they pretty much are telling you, "Hey youve been reported a lot, lets watch you account even if ti wasnt fair"

idokiJul 12, 20151 votes

Both.

On one hand, Riot implemented more manual/automatic systems to punish toxicity, such as: tribunal (will be back soon^TM), chat restrictions, the new insta-punish system, etc.).

On the other hand, League of Legends' popularity has been basically increasing more and more every year/season and the game's population increases as well, so naturally the more players there are, the more toxic players there are that are among them.

We can't actually make a definite statement if they general toxicity in League of Legends has increased/decreased, but I believe if we'd ask a Rioteer who works at the Player Behavior dept. (for example Riot Lyte) he/she would say overall toxicity has been decreased since season 3.

GunpointJul 13, 20151 votes

Am I the only one in the entirety of league that isn't plagued by terrible trolls in my games? I feel like people exaggerate a ton. The worst I get in my games are verbal abusers.

LaceUp23Jul 13, 20151 votes

Haha, you must be lucky!! Also, you can just mute verbal abusers, so I don't really have a problem with the flaming 12 year olds.

SmokedAlmondsJul 13, 20152 votes

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Am I the only one in the entirety of league that isn't plagued by terrible trolls in my games? I feel like people exaggerate a ton. The worst I get in my games are verbal abusers.

I've played like 5000+ games since season 1 and could probably count the trolls I've seen on 1 hand.

Sky ShadowJul 13, 20151 votes

I think it's increased overall and I voted for it, however I will say that even though I think it has increased, I don't think it's by a large amount.

It obviously hasn't stayed the same or decreased, otherwise the Tribunal and the punishment system wouldn't currently be going through an overhaul.

RrettJul 13, 20151 votes

toxicity is already extremely rare as is. It's like 2/100 people. It's really not that bad.

LaceUp23Jul 13, 20152 votes

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

So you're saying you only have someone raging or trolling in 1 out of every 55-56 games? K den. I guess we have found Lyte's alternate account.

s LessThanThreeJul 13, 20151 votes

The reason my input would be biased is - I have significantly risen in elo since Season 3, where I was Bronze/Silver, and I'm now in Diamond. From my experience, people in higher elos tend to rage a lot more than lower elos, but they troll (intentionally feed/afk) much less often because they actually care about the victory a lot more. There are still some trolls, but not as many.

LaceUp23Jul 13, 20151 votes

Yes, I realize there will be bias in this. That is why I'm trying to get a decent sample size before I show Lyte how stupid he is lol.

CasterGilgameshJul 13, 20151 votes

no this community is still toxic as fuck i can't go into a rank game without needing to dodge that shit since someone says "Mid or feed faggots"

CasterGilgameshJul 13, 20151 votes

"Im smurf so no one take my mid or ill feed"

LaceUp23Jul 13, 20153 votes

They are smurfing! It just so happens their main is also bronze lol.

LaceUp23Jul 14, 20151 votes

Bump for more votes. Need a bigger sample.

LaceUp23Jul 14, 20151 votes

Bump for votes. Don't even have to comment, just vote away!

ChaddyFantomeJul 15, 20151 votes

Honestly, i can't tell if it has just gotten less bad or if I have gotten numb to it.. Season 3 was much worse imo.

LaceUp23Jul 16, 20152 votes

Yeah, it is hard to tell if it has decreased because you are becoming numb to it, as well as the fact that people are just talking much much less. I wouldn't exactly say either of those are good, though lol.

LaceUp23Jul 18, 20151 votes

Bump.