I would just like to point out that the most upvoted thread on the boards...

Pythagorean Thm·Nov 30, 2014·41 votes·2,445 views

Is a thread saying that the community hates the boards lol.

51 Comments

The Red WardenNov 30, 201412 votes

When I first saw the boards all I could think of was that it would just turn into a bunch of circle-jerking with how one topic could be brought up over and over and recieve lots of upvotes if it agreed with the majority opinion of the time, and godam I was right. Look at how many Cass threads have spawned and always recieve massive upvotes even if another one with the exact same point is right next to it. I do agree that the Cass rework was garbage but it just showed the flaws of this system, which is mass upvotes of the popular opinion of the time while the mass down voting of anyone who says otherwise.

What these boards do is discourage the creation of threads that disagree with the current popular opinion since any thread like that will recieve mass downvotes without a second glance no matter their validity. The boards have become a hive mind where anyone who disagrees with the popular decision getting rejected without a second thought.

JubbinautNov 30, 20146 votes

Interestingly, I saw the exact same situation as you're describing with the Cass threads on the old Forums, quite often.

I'm not sure I agree with your second paragraph, either. Won't say I disagree, either, though, since I'm really just of no opinion on the matter. I haven't seen enough to support or to contradict your claim.

The Red WardenNov 30, 20143 votes

Really the hive situation happens with any type of forum or community, but it is really heavily demonstrated with the Boards. This being due to a number of factors such as that once a thread reaches around +30 votes it becomes immune to downvotes or how once a thread reaches -5 votes it will probably never be seen again.

Look at most of the responses to Rioter posts on the board, unless they are in full agreement of what the community wants they become downvoted to infinity no matter the validity if what they are saying. Yes, the old boards did have just as many problems but atleast there your post (even if they disagreed with the current opinion) would be placed right next to the posts with over 100 upvotes or responses.

JubbinautNov 30, 20142 votes

Ahh. I may just not see that problem since I read the boards in "Recent" view, tracking threads that are active and seeing recent activity, rather than by what's "best" or "hot" or whatever.

The Red WardenNov 30, 20141 votes

If you want to see the hive mind in action just view the top 8 threads in 'Hot' order once a day for 7 days in a row. I can almost guarantee that more than 1/4 of them will all be on the exact same topic.

CaesarFlickermanNov 30, 20144 votes

TBH between all the TERRIBLE skin ideas and poro fetish, I can't find too many quality discussion threads.

CupcakeTrapDec 1, 20141 votes

Strangely enough, though, I find Boards is much friendlier than Reddit, at least so far. Threads tend to get downvote-closed right out of the gate on Reddit.

MEMEME670Nov 30, 20148 votes

People tend to dislike change at first, regardless of how good it is.

Your point?

AetherKingdomNov 30, 201416 votes

Boards still suck dick, the only way to possibly view it with anyway of understanding a conversation in the comments is the discussion view because names are no longer included in replies. I hugely prefer the chronological order but it's simply not a viable choice if I want to follow comments. Plus I still hate how boards makes you upvote your own comments. I'd rather have it be neutral.

MEMEME670Nov 30, 20142 votes

They'll probably fix the chronological order reply system soon.

Also, do you really not think your own posts are a good addition to the discussion (because that's what upvoting is for). If so, you may want to just not post when you feel that way.

AetherKingdomNov 30, 20146 votes

I don't like feeling like that guy who likes his on posts on facebook. Also I don't like upvoting or downvoting any posts. There's literally been one post that I've voted on so far.

MEMEME670Nov 30, 20142 votes

So, you don't actually take the upvote system for what it is.

That's fine, but you're going to have to click the down arrow next to your posts then. I don't vote on anything either but I leave my posts at 1 after I post them because I recognize why that happens and I'm okay with it.

If it's a matter of personal preference, it makes a lot more sense to start posts at 1 (And save 99+% of board users from having to upvote every single one of their own posts) then to start them at 0 to save you and other people who think like that from having to make their own posts neutral.

AetherKingdomNov 30, 20144 votes

People typically don't like their own posts to facebook. I'm pretty sure you're part of the 1 % of the boards who would upvote their own posts.

MEMEME670Nov 30, 20142 votes

People don't like their own posts on facebook because it looks silly, and because # of likes on facebook isn't how you make a post be seen by more people (at least, for the posts most people are making).

Also, you misread my post if you think only 1% of people would upvote their own posts. It is likely true that mostly everyone would, because they want their post to be seen (as in, not hidden due to negative score).

AetherKingdomDec 1, 20143 votes

Not every one would. Even back on old forums I never upvoted a single one of my posts. Also, I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't upvote themselves, which is why I changed the statistic.

MEMEME670Dec 1, 20141 votes

Upvoting on the old forums and upvoting here is completely different.

On the old forums, it was a measure of 'do I like this'.

Here, it's supposed to be 'is this a meaningful addition to the discussion at hand'. And I'm pretty sure most people who make a post, make it because they think it is.

AetherKingdomDec 1, 20145 votes

I'm pretty sure there's no difference between what the upvotes mean on the boards and the forums. They mean I like/Support this in both cases.

MEMEME670Dec 1, 20142 votes

Except on the boards, (at least, for people who view in discussion view, the default mode) the amount of upvotes you have directly influences how high your post is in the responses, and thus how much it is seen.

On the old forums, it's not like that at all.

Rock RockburghDec 1, 20141 votes

The thing is, Likes and Upvotes serve radically different purposes. Likes are kind of a "hey, this is kinda neat and I agree" type of thing, while Upvotes are more along the lines of "he put effort into this and/or contributed to the discussion." If you don't feel like your own posts are contributing anything, which is the only reason not to upvote them, then just don't write them.

Also, have you played that 1v1 you owe that guy yet?

AetherKingdomDec 2, 20141 votes

So you upvote posts that you don't agree with simply because the person put time into it? lol. I told him to get on. He never replied.

Rock RockburghDec 2, 20141 votes

Well, not "because he put time into it," as such. That was phrased badly. Upvotes denote significant contribution to the subject at hand. This branch of the topic, for instance, should absolutely not be upvoted because we're so far off-topic.

Wait.

...are we actually on-topic with a discussion about upvotes? So weird.

But anyway. Upvoting is about contribution, not agreement. Downvoting dissenting opinions en masse is kind of like censoring the "dissidents," as it were, and saying that they don't get to have an opinion. (Not the best word, I'm sure.)

AetherKingdomDec 2, 20142 votes

But what would you define about a significant contribution to the subject? Probably something that you agree with, which you like.

Rock RockburghDec 2, 20141 votes

Not really. I, personally, tend to find myself upvoting people I disagree with more often, because dissenting opinions promote discussion. People are more likely to talk about things if they don't agree on the subject-- and you'll never broaden your horizons if you only talk to people you like!

AetherKingdomDec 2, 20141 votes

I'll make a post, but I'll never upvote something I don't agree with.

JubbinautNov 30, 20142 votes

I do wish they'd revisit the quote system. As-is, they're stupidly confusing.

AetherKingdomNov 30, 20141 votes

rito pls get your life together

MajorPain9Dec 1, 20141 votes

Boards are still god awful. When does my opinion become justified oh glorious one....

MEMEME670Dec 1, 20141 votes

When you can back it up with evidence and facts.

MajorPain9Dec 2, 20141 votes

People tend to ignore and disregard facts, regardless of how good it is.....

MEMEME670Dec 2, 20141 votes

This changes what?

Also, they do, but to a lesser degree than they would disregard anything else (such as opinion, conjecture, etc).

FantasySniperNov 30, 20144 votes

I still don't like the boards.

It's difficult to keep a thread up without a ridiculous amount of up-votes, so it only gets a small pool of ≈30 people (if you're lucky).

Circle jerk threads are continuously made, but unless they have genuine logic and reasoning they immediately fall off the map, so I can live with that.

I wish there was an ignore feature or something like that.

BudupopsDec 1, 20144 votes

BOARDS SUCK

CJ Entus CoCoaNov 30, 20142 votes

upvote/downvote meta is just so people can feel like they make a difference in the world. i think i've only upvoted 3 things on reddit and never downvoted. i just don't understand it. if something is popular it will get a lot of replies and stay at the top of the boards until it's no longer popular. if something is not popular it will fade away quickly, what's the point of voting?

Hyrum GraffDec 2, 20141 votes

Because you help decide what's popular.

jade harley BARKDec 1, 20142 votes

While I don't think they're too bad, they're hard to understand if you're on mobile. It's impossible to tell who is replying to who, because all you see is a straight line of posts. I didn't know how the reply layout looked like until I used boards on my computer. It's been quite misleading when I'm viewing topics.

Brenticus12Dec 1, 20141 votes

Switch to discussion view. It's probably in Chronological view for you.

The option is above the comment box.

SilentOppressorDec 1, 20141 votes

As is the third most upvoted thread, even though the post is just ":("

RikariDec 1, 20141 votes

I thought it was the test post,most beautiful thing since sex?

MajorPain9Dec 1, 20141 votes

Agreed. The post quality has dropped significantly since the change as well as the diversity of controversial subjects regarding a topic. My own posting has dropped significantly and isnt going to change anytime soon. Judging by the up votes of the hot topics today the amount of posters has also decreased as well.

Hyrum GraffDec 1, 20141 votes

To be fair, that post was also really old, when Boards didn't even look like this (it was called the commuity beta, back then).

MajorPain9Dec 2, 20141 votes

And to be even more fair, the next top post right after it is from the shut down of gd and forcing everyone to use them or get out. Mind you that post was made with the current board and bugs that are still present.

Hyrum GraffDec 2, 20142 votes

Well, to be even fairer, the current top post for me is Lyte's "Rewards for positive behavior" is the current top post.

It's true, Boards aren't a finished product. I don't believe they should have made the switch so soon. But now that we're here, it would make even less sense to go back. At least here they're able to properly moderate the hentai.

MajorPain9Dec 3, 20141 votes

Because this websites coding is crap. Go back and recount the upvotes.

Well, to be even fairer, the current top post for me is Lyte's "Rewards for positive behavior" is the current top post.

It's true, Boards aren't a finished product. I don't believe they should have made the switch so soon. But now that we're here, it would make even less sense to go back. At least here they're able to properly moderate the hentai.

Regardless if it says Beta up at the top this is now the offical forum and finished product that riot presented the community with. You can't argue that because software can be tweaked it's not finished or else every website in existence could be put into that context.

Its still crap on mobile and android.

Quoting still isn't fixed (its soon guysz!!!!....where have I heard that before? Oh right, old forums)

Chronological is not functional with nested.

The front page is filled with the same 10 threads talking about Cass, and is much more of a circle jerk than GD came even close to.

At least in GD we weren't forced to use Reddit just to discuss LOL. This thing is a ghost town of its former community because many of us would much rather discuss in a setting that is conductive to discussion.

Hyrum GraffDec 3, 20141 votes

Generally, agreed with you, except for:

Because this websites coding is crap. Go back and recount the upvotes. [...] At least in GD we weren't forced to use Reddit just to discuss LOL.

Like, you can't criticize Boards for being like Reddit and then criticize one of the major departures from reddit (best/hot sorting using comments in addition to votes).

Personally, I'd rather have a beta site than one riddled with toxicity and porn, but I know and respect that most people don't feel that way, else they'd have switched to Boards earlier.

As to the soon TM thing: that, just like everything else at Riot, got delayed because of Worlds. There was a recent post that said we might see quoting this week (if not, I expect next week).

You can't argue that because software can be tweaked it's not finished or else every website in existence could be put into that context.

To be fair, though, not every website is under active development. Regardless, I'm not planning on arguing that :)

MajorPain9Dec 3, 20141 votes

Generally, agreed with you, except for:

Because this websites coding is crap. Go back and recount the upvotes. [...] At least in GD we weren't forced to use Reddit just to discuss LOL.

Like, you can't criticize Boards for being like Reddit and then criticize one of the major departures from reddit (best/hot sorting using comments in addition to votes).

Personally, I'd rather have a beta site than one riddled with toxicity and porn, but I know and respect that most people don't feel that way, else they'd have switched to Boards earlier.

As to the soon TM thing: that, just like everything else at Riot, got delayed because of Worlds. There was a recent post that said we might see quoting this week (if not, I expect next week).

You can't argue that because software can be tweaked it's not finished or else every website in existence could be put into that context.

To be fair, though, not every website is under active development. Regardless, I'm not planning on arguing that :)

I absolutely can. Ask any person what this website format resembles and they will tell you Reddit. The thing is Graff you caved because you got what you wanted. You sold out on the line this is riots website they can do what they please (which they can, not arguing that) after you were so staunch on supporting the CB when criticisms were called out on it, because the posters had an option to use either. A time when players where arguing vehemently against this style for fear of exactly what happened. Well Congrats man, you got what you wanted, while many of us where told to basically gtfo. And we did. The community has disintegrated and we are left with this former shell of circle jerks , poor post quality, and lack of reds.

Hyrum GraffDec 3, 20141 votes

I absolutely can. Ask any person what this website format resembles and they will tell you Reddit.

My point wasn't that this website doesn't have similarities to Reddit. It was that you're using those as a criticism, and then also criticizing when Riot doesn't follow Reddit. Short of bringing the old forums back, what can Riot do to get it right?

The thing is Graff you caved because you got what you wanted. You sold out on the line this is riots website they can do what they please (which they can, not arguing that) after you were so staunch on supporting the CB when criticisms were called out on it, because the posters had an option to use either. A time when players where arguing vehemently against this style for fear of exactly what happened. Well Congrats man, you got what you wanted, while many of us where told to basically gtfo. And we did.

Caved to what? What do you think I wanted?

I want forums where I can go to have light discussion AND serious analysis, all in a respectful but not up-tight environment. I think these boards accomplish that better than GD, even in their current state. I'm a beta tester; I don't mind bugs. Most people do, so of course they're going to be unhappy. For that reason, I think closing down the old forums was a terrible decision. I understand why Riot did it - because they didn't want GD to continue to devolving into another /b/ - but I don't think it was the right decision. I could have my discussion just as well before the switch as I can now -- I really didn't gain anything from the swap.

I'm still staunch on supporting Boards because I think it has potential to be better than either GD OR reddit. There is a difference: before I would have been upset at people who were just QQing that they don't like boards, because they can just go back to GD, but now (while I'll still downvote them because I want to give visibility to constructive conversations), I'm sympathetic, and I won't tell them to take their QQ and leave.

The community has disintegrated and we are left with this former shell of circle jerks , poor post quality, and lack of reds.

Circle jerks? Sure. But those existed back in the days of GD, too. Poor Post Quality? Hasn't been my experience. Lack of Reds? During Worlds, yeah. But it seems like they're back, that red posts are happening at around the same rate as before the switch.

MajorPain9Dec 3, 20141 votes

I absolutely can. Ask any person what this website format resembles and they will tell you Reddit.

My point wasn't that this website doesn't have similarities to Reddit. It was that you're using those as a criticism, and then also criticizing when Riot doesn't follow Reddit. Short of bringing the old forums back, what can Riot do to get it right?

The thing is Graff you caved because you got what you wanted. You sold out on the line this is riots website they can do what they please (which they can, not arguing that) after you were so staunch on supporting the CB when criticisms were called out on it, because the posters had an option to use either. A time when players where arguing vehemently against this style for fear of exactly what happened. Well Congrats man, you got what you wanted, while many of us where told to basically gtfo. And we did.

Caved to what? What do you think I wanted?

I want forums where I can go to have light discussion AND serious analysis, all in a respectful but not up-tight environment. I think these boards accomplish that better than GD, even in their current state. I'm a beta tester; I don't mind bugs. Most people do, so of course they're going to be unhappy. For that reason, I think closing down the old forums was a terrible decision. I understand why Riot did it - because they didn't want GD to continue to devolving into another /b/ - but I don't think it was the right decision. I could have my discussion just as well before the switch as I can now -- I really didn't gain anything from the swap.

I'm still staunch on supporting Boards because I think it has potential to be better than either GD OR reddit. There is a difference: before I would have been upset at people who were just QQing that they don't like boards, because they can just go back to GD, but now (while I'll still downvote them because I want to give visibility to constructive conversations), I'm sympathetic, and I won't tell them to take their QQ and leave.

The community has disintegrated and we are left with this former shell of circle jerks , poor post quality, and lack of reds.

Circle jerks? Sure. But those existed back in the days of GD, too. Poor Post Quality? Hasn't been my experience. Lack of Reds? During Worlds, yeah. But it seems like they're back, that red posts are happening at around the same rate as before the switch.

Well at least you have a forum. Many of us don't anymore and refuse to participated here. Enjoy your top posts of 19 comments and less than 30 people voting. I'm out to find a traditional format with just as crappy of population.

EleshakaiDec 3, 20141 votes

To be fair, my post about the boards sucking is pretty highly rated too, but a lot of these highly upvoted posts are from back when the boards WERE abysmal. They're still not great, but they're nowhere NEAR the atrocity they were when those posts were made.