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Why is the wording of the leaverbuster warning like this?

Pythagorean Thm··70 votes·13,744 views

"Abandoning a match or being afk results in an unfair game for your teammates, and is a punishable offense in League of Legends. Do you agree not to leave any further games?"

And then you have to TYPE "I agree" into the box. A button that says "I agree" on it apparently wasn't good enough. From the posts Lyte has made on this, he makes it out to be just a warning letting players know that it's not okay to just leave games. And y'know? I'd be fine with that. However, the way it's worded, and the way it goes about it (forcing you to type I agree), just makes it feel like a binding contract that you can't possibly promise to uphold instead of a warning.

This should be clarified if Lyte and co want to make this out to be a warning. Instead of what it is right now, It could be something like:

"Abandoning a match or being afk results in an unfair game for your teammates. We understand that emergencies or technical failures sometimes force you to leave; however, leaving for any other reason is not acceptable, and is a punishable offense in League of Legends. Do you agree to do your best not to leave any further games?"

Edit: I know at least 2-3 rioters have read this by now. Could you like yell down the hall at Lyte or something?

77 Comments

quake1225517 votes

Please type ag-

Alt + F4 Log back in.

Not today Lyte...

Squirvizard9 votes

Please type ag-

Alt + F4 Log back in.

Not today Lyte...

LOL, rekt. :')

KobraVenom2 votes

Does that really work? I will need to try it. :^)

Kriterian3 votes

Please type ag-

Alt + F4 Log back in.

Not today Lyte...

You get around typing "I agree", you do not get around the leaver penalty.

It's real simple people, don't play if:

  • Your mommy/daddy/girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse/dog/cat can tell you to get off at any second.
  • You have less than an hour to play.
  • Your internet drops consistently on a daily basis.
  • There is a bad storm in the area and you frequently have power blinks.

Yes, crap happens occasionally and you lose power unexpectedly or an emergency comes up. But that shouldn't be frequent enough that you get Leave Busted.

12 Kills A Wave3 votes

And, pray tell, what do we do if League's servers are so shitty that we can't connect even when our internet is still working perfectly fine?

DotAliscious2 votes

When you log back in you still have to type it. You can't get out of it so easily.

Backstory: I got this warning after connecting late to two games in a row. I'm not sure what the issue was; internet was fine. In any case I was mad because I didn't leave or AFK; Riot just didn't let me connect! I opened a ticket explaining the situation, but I haven't had issues since.

LupusNox14 votes

The worst is that the only people who really care about this are people that got the message after an emergency or technical failure forced them from the game

The everyday rager gives 0 fucks about typing "i agree" into the computer; its why negative reinforcement that Riot has used for years on leavers hasn't worked

AbodyHUN6664 votes

I'm really waiting to see what are the plans for positive reinforcement. Not like I need to be reinforced, but I like free stuff :)

Hullabaloo90713 votes

I had a game which i had connection problems, but managed to get back in after the first 10 minutes or so, and stayed in the whole game after that. I got the warning, which is really dumb because i never actually left the game and i knew how unfun that game was because i was 7 levels behind when i started it.

ShadowAce6663 votes

Yeah feel your pain...occasionally something like that will happen to me. Can't really help when the internet goes out...and half the time we still end up winning the game.

AbodyHUN6662 votes

I got the message because of this too. It's good that it tells people they shouldn't be leaving games, but right now it scares everyone and makes them think they are gonna get banned for 5 leaves.

Rikari10 votes

I wish we could type anything else besides "I Agree"

Pythagorean Thm40 votes

I wish we could type anything else besides "I Agree"

"If you do not agree, please type 'no' to receive a permanent ban."

Prometheus85612 votes

this is what happens when everyone involved with league gets so completely obsessed with it. To be clear, there is no reason for someone to habitually leave every 1/5 games. That's just being irresponsible and hurting the game for your teammates. But that said, 2-3 times a month, something unexpected happens that demands my attention. Sorry league, but even if I was in my promos to Master tier, real life is still more important.

I had the unexpected displeasure of receiving this message a few days ago. I wasn't even playing ranked, it was a casual game that I had to skip because, of all things, my parents announced they were going to paint the living room and needed my help. Sometimes it's groceries, or yard work. Sometimes it's going out to eat. Sometimes, someone in my family just wants to have a chat. Whatever the reason - it's all more important than League. My brother doesn't understand this and his room is filthy, he's stuck in a secondary school and he doesn't bathe regularly because League demands to be such a commitment. I have. A life. You don't see that option next to "I agree." I get the "tough on AFKs" BS, but Lyte isn't going for reelection here. If he and his staff can't understand that league is a low rung on the ladder, they are nothing short of delusional.

Delvin Anaris2 votes

This is true, but it's also why I only ever play League when I'm 99% sure nothing else is going to demand my attention.

That means I don't get to play League more than 2-3 times a week most of the time...but it also means that when I do play, I can devote my full attention to it.

Thus far, over about 2 years of playing it like this, I've had 3 disconnects that I couldn't reconnect from, and 1 time when I was unavoidably called away for long enough that I couldn't get back to the game.

Prometheus8564 votes

well... good for you, I guess. That seems like an extreme to go to, but... to each their own. My point was that life is messy, and that the stuff I end up doing isn't planned. I skip League all the time because I know I'm going to end up doing things, but my family is also very spontaneous about when they want to do stuff, and there's no changing the bottom line that League is a game. It's recreation. It shouldn't be a lifestyle choice because the lifestyle that league breeds sucks. And, to answer the other guy, that's why I brought up my brother. Because his lifestyle is "League first, league always."

Bandaged Bandit1 votes

exactly right mate. they are forgetting that to the majority of players this is only a game. and everything in real life takes priority over a video game. my family is more important than league of legends. my friends are more important. even my dog is more important.

riot shouldnt be trying to eliminate any and all afks. they should be finding ways to make it okay to afk without ruining the game. they are going to lose a lot of players if they want to keep going with this new policy.

perish all2 votes

Riot is making AFKing a huge deal...but REAL LIFE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LEAGUE!!!

Riot should allow people to AFK like twice a month and not receive any punishment, otherwise League will become a burden, not a fun and casual game.

ZOMBIENATIONZ7 votes

I got that message because leagues server wouldn't let me connect to it for a few minutes lol, and i don't agree as it was not my fault. In fact had no trouble doing a quick trace and ping to the server it just didn't want me to connect as it actively rejected me like 6 times lol

CowgoesQuack4 votes

NO I DO NOT AGREE

Visys8 votes

Last night the game for some reason wouldn't let me connect to the bots game I was trying to play until 7 minutes in.

At the end I got this warning..

Man, idk why exactly but getting this message in that situation and having to agree with it seriously peeved me off.

Lamfira5 votes

Yeah. It's the fact you have to agree to "not do it again" when Riot should be agreeing to not do it again.

Like, how come LeaverBuster hasn't banned Riot Games permanently because they agreed before Season 1 they would get their servers together. Don't get me started on all their broken promises to the EU guys, either.

Alljoy5 votes

Because extortion needs to present itself with at least some subtlety.

Wandering Wolf5 votes

I just DC'd because my modem went screwy for 6 minutes and got a Leave, the first one in over a month I'm pretty sure (I've never actually left a game once, not one time, just occasional DC's because I don't have omnipotent control over my internet provider...) and this freaking message shows up, forcing me to beg forgiveness and plead sorry to almighty Riot. This is fucking disgusting.

If I had a record of leaves, then this crap would be fine, but it's bullshit to try to "Break" the playerbase as if were all unruly heathens that need to be reprogrammed. This is the honest feeling I get from this crap, I don't care how easy it is to type two words, when you try to force people to do it when they might have just freaking DC'd is out of order and insulting.

Pyr0mrcow4 votes

Lol, now they're going around deleting topics about this before they have a chance to get upvotes. Rito OP.

Sugarcakes4 votes

I don't understand how people have so many issues leaving the game. All these "emergencies." I think in the 3 years I've been playing, I've had maybe 1 minor emergency (stupid housemate let dog run into road), that caused me to temporarily leave my match, and a handful of 'connection issues.'

If you can't clear your schedule for an hour for your match, don't start a match. Don't give me 'but my mom said i have to eat' kind of BS. You know when dinner time is. Don't tell me "my mom said we have to go now" bs. You knew your mom wanted you to go out with her.

If you're going to try "Well, I am an ADULT and I have a BABYYYYYYY," bs, if your child is going to be crawling around and drinking fucking toilet cleaner or something, don't start a match.

Crownsy7 votes

I don't understand how people have so many issues leaving the game. All these "emergencies." I think in the 3 years I've been playing, I've had maybe 1 minor emergency (stupid housemate let dog run into road), that caused me to temporarily leave my match, and a handful of 'connection issues.'

If you can't clear your schedule for an hour for your match, don't start a match. Don't give me 'but my mom said i have to eat' kind of BS. You know when dinner time is. Don't tell me "my mom said we have to go now" bs. You knew your mom wanted you to go out with her.

If you're going to try "Well, I am an ADULT and I have a BABYYYYYYY," bs, if your child is going to be crawling around and drinking fucking toilet cleaner or something, don't start a match.

Spoken like a person without kids. Surprisingly enough, toddlers and children up till like 6 or 7 don't respect the parent's gaming schedule.

Maestro804 votes

I have a 2 year old. I don't play League, EVER, unless she is either out of the house, or my wife (or grandparent/babysitter) is around to cover for me while I play. I don't even play when she's asleep, if my wife isn't also home, because kids often wake up and need attention. I'm not going to make my daughter wait for me to finish a game so I can tend to her needs, but I'm also not going to potentially inconvenience 9 other people by playing League when she might need me. Is it inconvenient? Yes, as all hell. But that's one of the many prices I am willing to pay to have kids.

I just wish everyone else had this philosophy, other parents included. It's for this same reason that I hate playing League with kids. I can't even count the number of games I've lost because some kid was playing LoL past their bedtime and their parents made them stop, or they had to leave to take out of the garbage/have dinner or whatever. Makes my blood boil. My recreational time is limited and very valuable to me, and I don't appreciate other people ruining my games.

Connection difficulties (lag, dc's) and bugsplats and such are totally understandable... though a player with a consistent problem needs to address that problem before they join more games. But life-related afk's are UNFORGIVABLE unless they are a true emergency (fire, injury, etc). If you can't devote an hour to play the game without distractions, don't play. It's that simple.

Eleshakai7 votes

I don't understand how people have so many issues leaving the game. All these "emergencies." I think in the 3 years I've been playing, I've had maybe 1 minor emergency (stupid housemate let dog run into road), that caused me to temporarily leave my match, and a handful of 'connection issues.'

If you can't clear your schedule for an hour for your match, don't start a match. Don't give me 'but my mom said i have to eat' kind of BS. You know when dinner time is. Don't tell me "my mom said we have to go now" bs. You knew your mom wanted you to go out with her.

If you're going to try "Well, I am an ADULT and I have a BABYYYYYYY," bs, if your child is going to be crawling around and drinking fucking toilet cleaner or something, don't start a match.

So basically, you're saying that EVERYONE who has some sort of real life should just quit LoL. Do you REALLY want to be stuck playing LoL with just the 12 year olds?

Cupkek3 votes

I got one of these due to my ghetto internet service cutting out during a ranked game. Not only did I have to 'agree', but it also demoted me down from Silver 5 to Bronze 1.

Lovely.

tsPRDSpNS43 votes

The way Riot is handling this, is the same as they did with the wide-spread fourteen-day monthly bans they were dishing out w/o explanation, or sufficient warning.

Don't expect to see any answers, to Riot; you are the very same people they don't want lingering around in the community, they could care less about your personal lives; or any issues with service providers, although... I wish you all good luck in your endeavors.

lol...

NoPantsCommando3 votes

Wrong. I disagree. The way it is right now is perfect. It makes you stop, read, and actually think about what you are agreeing to. You and I are guilty of checking the same old "term of service"-esque box without a second thought and clicking "next." If the warning was presented in this similarly feeble manner, leavers would not take it seriously.

The fact that the current warning stirs up such emotion in you that it causes you to write in the boards about it, is evidence that the warning is doing its job. Both they and I have no tolerance for people who leave games, for whatever reason.

Well done Riot, well done.

Crownsy4 votes

Wrong. I disagree. The way it is right now is perfect. It makes you stop, read, and actually think about what you are agreeing to. You and I are guilty of checking the same old "term of service"-esque box without a second thought and clicking "next." If the warning was presented in this similarly feeble manner, leavers would not take it seriously.

The fact that the current warning stirs up such emotion in you that it causes you to write in the boards about it, is evidence that the warning is doing its job. Both they and I have no tolerance for people who leave games, for whatever reason.

Well done Riot, well done.

Yes, because it totally applied when I got it the other day because the power went out. I didn't realize that my power being out for an hour was anoying to not only myself but the people in my norms 5 game until that exact moment. Thank god for Riot.

12 Kills A Wave3 votes

I was out of game for 4 minutes yesterday (in an ARAM nonetheless) and I got that popup. That's ridiculous. I tried to type "sod off" personally, but it wouldn't let me. Seriously? 4 minutes in 1 game? And what of people who can't get in due to their internet or (more likely recently) shitty rito servers? Get your shit in gear rito.

Mara of Meta2 votes

there should at least be a way to explain your leaving the game. I get kicked once a day for bugsplats and then it won't let me log back in until i restart my computer( attempting to reconnect hasn't existed since about august it just freezes and splats) and now i'm gonna get this stupid message when it happens, like i just did.... thanx riot

WoodenIncubus2 votes

We all know what he's doing. You would ALWAYS save after this guy got to you.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/Resetti.png

Zaccea1 votes

Lyte is trying to make little girls cry? Despicable...

DUDE BRO2 votes

"Sorry riot I just clicked the button and didn't read it. Please revoke my ban"

That's why you have to type it. Banning accounts is no joke, they want you to understand the situation, not just blindly click the first button you see and then leave the next game.

Pythagorean Thm3 votes

"Sorry riot I just clicked the button and didn't read it. Please revoke my ban"

That's why you have to type it. Banning accounts is no joke, they want you to understand the situation, not just blindly click the first button you see and then leave the next game.

This is just an initial warning. You even get emails from Riot letting you know what leaverbuster level you're at. You don't get perma banned for leaving one or two games. It's my understanding that you're banned for shorter periods of time first, then it eventually escalates into a perma ban.

So they'll definitely understand the situation before getting perma'd.

I am Serenity2 votes

Yea this kind of pissed me off today. First league tells me my connection is blocked because of a firewall, which I disabled my windows firewall and antivirus, still getting the error. Then I restart my computer, still no luck. Then restart my modem, still no luck. Then reset my ipconfig, and finally I get into the game 15 minutes late. But of course I have to sign some stupid contract because of stuff out of my control.

Konidias2 votes

I had to afk in a bot game to help my girlfriend get stuff from her car one night and I got this warning... Like really... in a beginner bot game? Who even cares? I'd actually love if my team AFK'd in a beginner bot game. More free ez kills for me.

I know I've seen Riot make a stance on this before but seriously... who in the heck cares about AFKers in beginner bot games?

Caoil2 votes

I have intentionally left 3 games in over a year of playing. The first was because I was playing with a 4-man premade who were just trolling me (verbally abusing me in chat, and when I muted them they all came to my lane and started running into the turret). I felt I was justified leaving that one time. The second time I was visiting my family for a weekend and my idiot brother called me at 1am from a party because he got drunk and broke his wrist jumping off a trampoline, so I had to leave my game to take him to the hospital. I also feel justified in that. The third time was because there was a grass fire near my home and we were being evacuated.

I have maybe been disconnected from 5 or 6 games in over a year, a couple due to internet issues, but mostly server issues.

Point of this is, life happens, and I'll probably receive a leaver buster warning one day, but considering how infrequently I leave games I'm not worried about receiving anymore than a warning. If you receive a warning once for leaving a game, the system won't penalize you if you leave another game 3 months down the road (unless those were your only 2 games in those 3 months). It's based on the percent of games you leave when you play.

Brainbucket2 votes

I have an on-call job. Left one game because I got a call, and I got leaver busted. WTF.

I do not agree to promise something I can't promise. Why do you force us to lie with the warning message? LoL is not the most important thing in my life, and that's why I play normals instead of ranked. This is absurd.

Rathic1 votes

I also have an on-call job, and a wife and a life. I tried typing "Life called" into the text box. Pretty unhappy that you are forced into typing I agree. This type of system will drive me to not play this game, I already have problems trying to justify the amount of time i have dedicated to this game in the past. Really not excited to see this message awaiting me when I logged back in. AFKers and leavers are frusterating, but what is more frusterating is getting greeted by this message essentially notifying me that my priority in life needs to be league above all else.

Sorry Riot my life wins, not your game.

Eleshakai1 votes

First and foremost... awesome necro to Greyscout. I am in awe of your skills.

{quoted}

I have an on-call job. Left one game because I got a call, and I got leaver busted. WTF.

I do not agree to promise something I can't promise. Why do you force us to lie with the warning message? LoL is not the most important thing in my life, and that's why I play normals instead of ranked. This is absurd.

Sorry LoL is not the game for you anymore. Riot only wants people for whom LoL IS the most important thing now.

Whimsic Wicked1 votes

I had to agree to not leave games after my computer died. The game had already ended by the time I was able to finally get it on and reconnected.

TacoMuncher2 votes

And more than likely someone from your team reported you already anyway for afk/leaving.

Kind of negates forcing a warning on you if your teammates can report you too.

Beerstein1 votes

That moment when you realize you really screwed up.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51k85xw3XLL._SX300_.jpg

porcupain1 votes

in YEARS and thousands of games of League i'm fairly certain i've left a match less than 10 times --- the vast majority being due to internet problems.

maybe once before today was a RL issue. i had to handle a personal matter i won't be getting into here but suffice to say it was immensely more important than LoL.

if i were a habitual afk-er or something, i could understand this syntax. being that it's my first time in many months, to be confronted with this asinine wording makes me annoyed to say the least. you seriously need to reconsider your wording or under what circumstances you implement this warning.
i don't mind letting you know that i typed a great many things before "i agree". and now, here is the appended ending to "i agree" -

i agree... you're in dire need of an [adult] editor / community manager to filter your exceptionally poorly worded / implemented "warnings".

GI Blow1 votes

I agree.

But seriously, the issue with the wording is that it is acknowledgement of guilt. If you were having a connection issue, you're guilty. If you had to step away for a couple seconds, you're guilty. If you had an emergency, you're guilty. Leave determination of guilt up to the tribunal. If you reconnect and explain the issue to your teammates and they still choose to report you, then you have to deal with it. At least under those conditions there is a chat log that someone can refer to and determine what happened.

If I wanted to deal with blame and guilt, I'd leave my mom's basement.

Going to stop buying RP and start buying smite gems if they keep engaging in this type of activity. This is garbage.

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