Riot now punishing players for having hardware & connection issues?

Brascus·Oct 11, 2015·5 votes·757 views

Does the LoL client know the difference between an:

End process
BSOD
Power plug
DDoS
ISP connectivity
Or client crash?

If the answer is no to anyone one of those things then the 'LeaverBuster' system is not fit for duty, it will punish innocent players for things out of their control who even had no maligned intent what so ever, possibly lost their game and now getting punished for it? I usually stand behind Lyte and gave the behavior team the benefit of the doubt when they didn't elaborate on what 'genuine reform' meant but...

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20 Comments

redniwediSOct 11, 20153 votes

It takes a while to get a real punishment from leaving, so by the time you get more than a short time out from queue you know you have a problem and should be fixing it.

JackPine30Oct 11, 20153 votes

It only takes 2 games to get the punishment though. First game is the "i agree" message, second game is 25 min of low priority queue.

Deep Terror NamiOct 11, 20153 votes

I've had a couple leaves, and several games where I was disconnected many times for minutes each, yet I've never had any punishment. I find it hard to believe people when they said they dc'd twice and came back yet were punished.

AMYS GRAVEOct 11, 20153 votes

Happened to me too. You wont believe it until it happens to you.

redniwediSOct 11, 20151 votes

That's not a common occurance. Either you did something else, you're not telling the whole truth here, or you have a problem that is better served with a support ticket.

JamareeOct 11, 20153 votes

The thing about the Leavebuster system is leaving a game every once in a while won't get you even noticed by the system, you have to leave several, the system has a safety net because it knows sometimes irl happens, however, when you leave games over and over and over, your own fault after a while, especially if you know you have ISP or CPU problems.

BrascusOct 11, 20154 votes

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The thing about the Leavebuster system is leaving a game every once in a while won't get you even noticed by the system, you have to leave several, the system has a safety net because it knows sometimes irl happens, however, when you leave games over and over and over, your own fault after a while, especially if you know you have ISP or CPU problems.

How is it any better than reporting then, damage is still done but LeaverBuster assumes malicious intent regardless, whereas reports confirm it.

JamareeOct 11, 20152 votes

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How is it any better than reporting then, damage is still done but LeaverBuster assumes malicious intent regardless, whereas reports confirm it.

It isn't, I'm just telling you how the system works and after a while, it stops being Riot's fault. If it is a DDoS problem with the server, yeah, you are going to get a lose prevented, anything else, no because if it wasn't this way people would go out of their way to find ways around the system. "Oh damn, about to lose, I know, I will fake a problem and get loss prevented."

AMYS GRAVEOct 11, 20153 votes

i can tell you from my smurf, it only takes 2 times in 6 months.

JamareeOct 11, 20151 votes

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i can tell you from my smurf, it only takes 2 times in 6 months.

Except no, no you don't.

AMYS GRAVEOct 11, 20153 votes

You're calling me a liar then? It happened.

Burrito DepotOct 11, 20151 votes

I feel like that's not true, sometimes I'd leave as the game is ending and it'll immediately stick me into a low priority q. Haven't done it since the last time because it's annoying.

Savage DeviOct 11, 20153 votes

The problem is that you can't have a system differentiate between leaving willingly and being forced to quit due to circumstances out of the player's control. Not without leaving it open to abuse at least.

BrascusOct 11, 20152 votes

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The problem is that you can't have a system differentiate between leaving willingly and being forced to quit due to circumstances out of the player's control. Not without leaving it open to abuse at least.

Exactly, Riot shouldn't be able to tell unless they're a covert division of the NSA.

DrCyanideOct 11, 20153 votes

... you're missing the point, people want less invasion, not more. The Leaver Buster system gives that and is fair.

DrCyanideOct 11, 20151 votes

Your ignorance of technology is showing.

Power Cord, Client Crash, End Process, BSOD all look the exact same to a piece of software that's running. It died. It had no warning, and there was nothing it could do to look into the issue, much less report it. The only exception to this would be a Client Crash, which could theoretically have been coded better to handle exceptions, but that assumes that the issue was inside League itself and not some driver issue on your computer.

DDoS on a client, or ISP connectivity going out look the exact same as me unplugging my router, or unplugging a wireless dongle, or turning off the wifi on a laptop. All the client and server know is that they're no longer talking to each other, they don't know why.

What Riot does is certainly fair enough for anyone who doesn't intentionally AFK. The problem people run into is when they AFK for other reasons or don't stop playing to figure out their problems. Leaver Buster is the best solution that doesn't involve you installing League of Legends as an operating system.

BrascusOct 11, 20152 votes

It's kind of the point that you can't tell.

DrCyanideOct 11, 20152 votes

I thought the point was to find/design a better system, which I'm not sure you can.

BrascusOct 11, 20153 votes

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I thought the point was to find/design a better system, which I'm not sure you can.

The point is you can't automate it, improving reporting + tribunal is the only way to tackle things. A robot can't solve social problems.

DrCyanideOct 11, 20151 votes

Automating it is the only way to keep the Tribunal functional. Weren't the Tribunal's punishments coming months after the offense? What good does that do anyone? Besides, what more would the Tribunal be able to do? "He didn't come back, guess we bust him?" That can be automated today.