Is Riot getting too greedy?!

TheEdgeOfDestiny··6 votes·1,456 views
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We all understand that Riot is a company which pretty much makes money of League of Legends. Which is normal. Game is getting better (because they can afford better specialists), more people play it (because they can promote the game and entertain us by supporting pro-players and championships).

But one thing kinda bothers me. Here and there I see signs that Riot's high management doesn't consider community interests. I don't say "care". I understand: why should they care? I am concerned because it looks like high management is separated from community really far. Which may result in decisions that will affect overall game health and may produce stagnation.

I wouldn't bother if not for recent Blood Moon announcement. Why - I will explain later.

Some things I noticed that seem greedy:

  1. Buffing champions (or not nerfing them) that are going to receive some special skin in the future. Prime example is Ashe and Project: Ashe. Before skin release Ashe received a couple of buffs. Even some youtubers noticed it. For example Phy said smth like "Ashe is receiving buffs. Again. What are you thinking Riot? She is really strong right now. I have an assumption they are going to release a new Ashe skin soon." Another example is Jinx and Star Guardian Jinx. Here is more complicated example. Zed received buff after buff at the beginning of season. Such actions attracted attention to him. For one reason he was appearing in patch notes consistently. For another. Think. Will you or will you not remember a champion that was punishing your team whole game.

  2. Special events crafting Despite introducing unique interactions - special event crafting material offer very little (or almost none) benefit over common hextech chests. Project crafting for example took advantage of the fact that drop rates are hidden. You could combine 3 Augment Cache Fragments into Augment Cache. You got two fragments for free the third one you could get as a random drop from an Augment Cache. I seen so many people not getting the third fragment while spending 10-20$ on new Augment Caches. Btw. There was a precedent where a company was obligated to disclose drop rates by the government. And there is a reason for that. Recent Lunar Revel crafting chest cost. Despite the fact it offers you a bonus - real value is far smaller then it looks. Moreover it uses gemstones (which is another story) to get people more interested. It would be ok if Lunar Revel chests costed same amount as normal ones but in reality you get more but you pay more. Real value is not: "OMG I'm gonna get a gemstone". Real value is: "I will spend more money to get more value".

  3. Raw statistics over creating environment We finally got to the thing that started this post. Riot create lore. Riot tie champions to lore to get people interested in champions they play. To get people attached. Lore is important... until money come in. Pretty much everyone is aware of upcoming Blood Moons skin by now. Pretty much everyone is aware about Diana being related to Moon. And everyone expected Blood Moon Diana skin come up eventually. And it appeared. It appeared as a wingman for Jhin skin. For a skin of a champions that is played far more then Diana and which may accrue far bigger amount of money then Diana skin. So Jhin's skin receives all the love which is seen in every detail. Even promo features Jhin thematic. While Diana gets only generic VFX update. You can argue with me not having taste but what about promo teaser that featured Jhin's weapon.

End of story.

P.S. Yes I play Diana. Mostly to climb in low elo. But the real reason - I find her thematic and lore really interesting. And it's really hurting to see that it's being sacrificed to statistics.

P.P.S.: I don't have actual statistics but I'm pretty confident in what I say. Also I do understand that everything is more complicated. And even take into account possibly that Diana wouldn't receive a Blood Moon skin. But better no skin then just generic skin.

UPDATE Updated the post - removed reference to challenger skins due to clarification with challenger skins and MSI. Added promo poster that featured Jhin's weapon to clarify what I meant when said "wingman skins".

29 Comments

HexaDecimel6 votes

So, Riot.......a company who's only purpose is to make money and pay its employees, is greedy?

The game and everything required to climb to the highest level of competition is all available for free. Despite what people may claim it is not a pay to win system. All it takes is time.

Riot spends so much time working to improve the game, adding new maps, reworking champions, updating splash art, making balance changes. Changes that are typically made for free. They offer season rewards for positive behaviour, and end of season rewards. Just last year as a thank you to players they gave a free skin to players, and if you didn't own the champion you got that too. They offer discounts every week on different champions and skins. For special events they offer specially selected discounts based on you play style preference. They spend lots of time creating special events with different types of gameplay. All done for free. And they even went so far as to offer Hextech crafting which allows players to acquire keys and boxes so that they can unlock champions and skins without having to use RP or IP.

Is Riot greedy? No.

They have made an entertaining game that is accessible to as many people as possible. They made it in a way that you can climb to challenger without spending a single dollar. They are constantly offering free or discounted content. Whatever they do to make money is perfectly fine and legitimate considering what they offer.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

You didn't catch the accent of the post.

midnight oil242 votes

I thought that the only change Jinx got around Star guardian was a nerf to her chompers? Or am I wrong about that?

And how do they not value the competitive aspect of this? one of the recent harrowings (can't remember which) was set aside because it overlapped with worlds. That shows that they value the competitive aspect. Or are you now going to say that this proves they don't value the casuals?

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

Can you name champion which got Challenger skin in 2017?

midnight oil241 votes

I don't really care about the challenger skins. But I don't see why losing one skin line means they don't care about competitive when they dropped the harrowing for a year because worlds was there. That shows a devotion to the competitive players, as opposed to your opinion.

Ereldra1 votes

IIRC they decided to tie the Challenger-Skin to Mid-Season Invitational. Just as the revenue of the championship-skin was used to increase the Prize-Pool of the World-Championship the new Challenger-Skin will come out before MSI and the money from it partly going into the Prize-Pool of MSI. MSI is sometime in May, i think?

So, no need to get so upset. You might not care about Esports, but you will be able to endure to wait a few more months for the next challenger skin.. and no, that is certainly not a sign of "greed". If anything its the opposite and a move, that was demanded for quite some time since the price pools in LoL-Tournaments were lacking in comparison to other games.

And for the rest of the post... sorry, mabye I didn't quite understand it, but basically: You are angry, because Jhin also got a Blood Moon Skin and you don't like Blood Moon Diana, and therefore it's proven that Riot is a greedy, evil company? And Nr.1 is just perception bias, I've seen a post on reddit not long ago where someone showed that there was no extraordinary correlation between "New Skin" and "gets buffed".

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

Mb in regards to challenger skin. I will update post.

About Blood Moon. Problem is that Diana is a wingman-kind-of-skin to promote Blood Moon Jhin skin. You may not have taste to see that all skins are inferior to Jhin's in terms of effort put into it. I mean you can argue with me on that. But what about promo that featured Jhin weapon?! Don't you agree that Talon, TF and Diana skins are made for the sake of emphasizing Jhin's skin quality? I personally think this is dirty due to Diana's lore and how much community wanted Blood Moon Diana skin.

Colgate Gator2 votes

How fucking dare they make money off their game? The fucking never.

Jesus fucking christ.

Bonus points because because you're complaining about the RNG alternative of actually buying the skin you want, and because some skins are time limited...And the kicker is that this post is just a slightly veiled rant about Diana not getting a legendary skin.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

You were playing with toxic players too much.

GigaPube1 votes

it hurts to read proper spelling and grammar with....ill say "incomplete vocabulary/jargon?"

i just think dianas entire skin line isnt well thought out. she doesnt need so much moon skins, blood moon, lunar goddess, her original skin. this is also her 2nd red skin which definitely isnt even as exciting as infernal. so now she has 3 silver and purple skins, a silver, purple and red skin and a red skin....kind of limiting her range there considering a tree has a skin about cats that i would guess is probably 1 of the best and/or most popular skins in the game

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

This color isn't called "red". It is called "yellow" or "orange".

Cocho1 votes

2,3,4

I don't even agree with.

2 I liked the project hextech special craft thing. Its the only one I cared to buy. Chests are like 195 rp, and a project chest was 295 rp, came with a skin shard, skin/champion chard, and then the rng drop augment thing. It was already better than a normal chest.

3 Theres tons of skins that are only for a time, challenger skins aren't special. Its like saying riot hates Christmas because I can only buy slay belle katarina in this time.

4 Just look at camille's lore.

They didn't choose to give diana a legendary skin, get over it lol

.1. That's going to happen eventually. Coincidence or not

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

You missed my point. Augmented Cache drop rate and 2 free caches that intent for you to buy some boxes to get third fragment. Which never happened for some people. I assume you will come up with things I haven't said so... no I didn't spend much money on them. I got two. Some people got way more. The thing is. Riot is never clear about drop rates.

Btw. 300RP is 2$. :) Think what you get for that. I mean 2$ is nothing. But 2$ is one chest. Some people opened 10 of chests and got nothing. 10 chests is 20$ which is still not a big amount but is smth.

They didn't choose to give diana a legendary skin, get over it lol

Since you cannot process such a big post yourself I will help you. The problem is not Diana not having a legendary skin. The problem is they used Diana to promote Jhin's skin. If you don't see it - you will be able to understand such things when you will get some experience and knowledge in life. So just don't bother. :)

Cocho1 votes

For $2, I got 2 skin shards. 3 skin shards = skin lol. How much are skins in this game in general :P.

"The problem is they used Diana to promote Jhin's skin."

They both cost the same.

Imo, you're not going to get a diana skin thats better than a jhin skin. Why? Because the nature their animations and abilities, give more creative room for jhin, than diana.

Diana doesn't have this big 4th shot. Diana doesn't have this giant ultimate. They still meet the same criteria just from what I'm seen. What does jhin's skin have that diana's doesn't?

It's like an irelia skin being better than a lux skin. There's just more/better/clear things you can do with lux.

I don't see how the diana skin is promoting jhin's. Give me an example. I don't see it.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

Your memory tricks you. You got a shard and 2 cores from 2$ Augmented Cache. And a possibility to get a Cache Fragment (3xfragments = cache). Which dropped pretty rarely. Cores were made to unlock specific content. Like project icons. In regards to crafting. For 6$ you get ANY skin at RANDOM. So basically you can get Flddle me Timbers. Which you really want. Don't you. But that's another topic. It's hextech crafting. It's a casino.

I don't see how the diana skin is promoting jhin's. Give me an example. I don't see it.

I already said. If you cannot understand from original post and from my previous comment - don't bother. You just can't.

Cocho1 votes

Im 100% sure you got a skin shard, then another skin/champ shard. You're wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4vruak/project_chest_guide_for_dummies/

Heres a reddit post from back then, my memory is right.

I told you why I disagreed, you haven't really given me any counter-points. Thats all your post is, some reasonings that I disagree with.

Whats to stop me from saying jhin's skin promotes dianas? lol

I don't think riot is greedy, they are a company that needs to make money, and I don't feel that they're dishonest about it.

Linna Excel1 votes

Special events crafting

Yes, I think that this and the RNG only skins are anti-consumer.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

At least they could show drop rates.

There are other "tricks". When you're buying RP in large portions - value rate actually drops. You get 7% bonus RP if you buy 5$ pack but only 3% if you buy 20$ pack. I mean comparing to closest lesser amount. Because no sane person will buy 20$ worth of RP by purchasing 8x2.5$ packs. You either get this amount or closest to it. When you buy 5$ pack - you get 50 bonus RP. Which is 7% bonus. When you buy 20$ pack you get only 90 RP bonus. Which is 2.7%. They show huge bonus RP values by comparing to least valuable pack. Which is logically least efficient way but shows bigger gain.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

Btw. Here is a nice diagram of what I was saying. http://prnt.sc/e0jlre

Angry Monster1 votes

this is a prefect example of when EU should stay on the EU boards.

0 real points

Wild speculations

Admits to not having data and then uses personal opinion

Dude we have enough NA players that post like this. Fill your trash on your region boards.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

Hey. You know that thingy called "freedom of speech". Value things that your country is based upon. If you not interested - just go by.

Angry Monster1 votes

man you are just like a uninformed NA kid. Freedom of speech applies to the government not to posting on the forums. Also north america freedoms do not necessarily apply to foreigners off american soil. Though our laws would not apply to you anyways. Well there you go; you actually did something for the day and learned something.

Dude no one agrees with you. Its not even if i am not interested its put together like a 3rd grade story. Different points all assumptions and nothing putting them together. It might flow together if it your native tongue was something different but your grammar is to on par for that to be an issue.

Also its not that no wants to or will listen, its that you would have to be on LCD to read this and get something meaningful. You can believe what ever you want but it is trash the way you presented it.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

Well. We have a saying here. Don't know NA equivalent of it but it roughly translates to: "Mice were crying, pricking but continued to eat cactus".

No one forces you to read posts that were not originated by NA resident. Also I'm pretty sure you don't understand what freedom of speech means.

P.S.: Omg. It is so hurfull. Stop it. Your downvoting hurts so much. Because you're a superior being and your opinion really counts. :D Talking about lack of arguments.

Angry Monster2 votes

the sad part is that you did not understand my complaints. I actually valid arguments but considering what you think is a valid piece.... no shocker to your comprehension problem.

Typical Eu player, prefect example why EU should use there own boards.

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

:D

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

P.S.: I upvoted your post. Hope it will make you happier since you value voting so much.

I Stealth I1 votes

They 'used' Diana to promote Blood Moon Jhin? It's more of the opposite really considering the teaser was just Jhin's 'Whisper'. And if you are right, they technically also used TF and Talon to promote Jhin as well, but the skins are so well done!

TheEdgeOfDestiny1 votes

Diana's splash is amazing. TF recall animation. Talon's overall skin and recall animation are really good. The thing is Diana's lore is tied to the moon. Community wanted Blood Moon Diana skin for quite a time. And eventually it was used as a marketing tool. You can easily see amount of effort put into Jhin skin. Small details. Effects. As a guy that been working for 10 years right now I can definitely say - such things don't really happen from a first try. The thing is - someone in management decided to give more work hours to Jhin then Diana.

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