It seems like the community thinks you are doing a shitty job. Also, a decent amount of those people that voted that League hasn't increased in terms of toxicity also don't think it decreased. Just that it seems about the same. People also voted that it hasn't increased, but that is just because they noticed that chat is used a hell of a lot less. So there are very few people that actually think the toxicity in the game has gotten better.
Eleshakai3 votesYou posed the question to the people most likely to be unhappy with the game: Forumgoers. Happy people are playing the game.
LaceUp231 votesYup, and I acknowledged that there would be bias. I also acknowledge that the sample size is small. I will say, however, most of the people I play with in random games have similar views. I tend to ask people in the games lol. Also, there are actually a lot of people on the forums that are "happy". I wouldn't say it is mostly negative people at all. It seems to me that the vast majority of the boards are filled with people asking to nerf X, buff y, and things like skins/champs/lore. None of these groups would I say are particularly biased towards a negative viewpoint on specifically toxicity in the game. Just because they are unhappy with Zed doesn't mean they think League is anymore toxic than the next guy.
Jubbinaut2 votesLyte, using a very small sample size, it seems like the community thinks you are doing a shitty job.
I suppose it's a good thing for him that his job isn't contingent upon what the community thinks about how good a job he's doing, then.
(Edited to clarify the intent of the comment. Original archived below the line.)
I suppose it's a good thing for him that his job isn't contingent upon popularity polls, then.
LaceUp231 votesWhat do you mean popularity polls?
Jubbinaut1 votesStatements of the same formula as yours - "It seems like the community thinks you are doing a shitty job" - are commonly used politically to indicate the results of popularity polls. It's important to them, because in a very real way, their jobs are dependent upon their popularity.
Lyte's job, however, isn't. It's purely dependent upon whether or not the results of his work are in line with Riot's goals. Which, y'know, is good for him and his continued employment (assuming your poll is generalizable and provides useful data).
Honestly, explaining it kind of ruins it. I meant it as a mildly amusing little side-comment, and nothing more.
LaceUp231 votesWell, I didn't really see it as a popularity poll. I didn't ask what people thought of Lyte's job. I asked people thought about the "toxicity", which is what he was working on. I could see why you would make a popularity poll remark if my poll had been "do you think Lyte is doing a good job?" My poll had the majority of people saying that toxicity was worse than it was at the time he took over. I then took those results to formulate my reasoning that he is doing a shitty job. Can't be a popularity poll when you can read the thread title, the post, and the poll without seeing his name.
Eleshakai2 votesWell, I didn't really see it as a popularity poll. I didn't ask what people thought of Lyte's job. I asked people thought about the "toxicity", which is what he was working on. I could see why you would make a popularity poll remark if my poll had been "do you think Lyte is doing a good job?" My poll had the majority of people saying that toxicity was worse than it was at the time he took over. I then took those results to formulate my reasoning that he is doing a shitty job. Can't be a popularity poll when you can read the thread title, the post, and the poll without seeing his name.
Yes it can, if the subject is synonymous enough with him. If the association is strong enough that you can make a reverse correlation then it's strong enough to make the original correlation too.
But again, the information is absurdly invalid because, while I do agree there are some happy people on the forums, the majority of people who make the choice to come here IN STEAD OF playing the game are people who are not happy with the game. Not everyone, but a majority.
LaceUp231 votesYes it can, if the subject is synonymous enough with him. If the association is strong enough that you can make a reverse correlation then it's strong enough to make the original correlation too.
I simply asked if people thought that toxicity has decreased since season 3. I made no references to it being a result of the person in charge. Also, I don't think one person commented on the thread with anything about Lyte. They commented on the playerbase.
are people who are not happy with the game
Personally, I disagree. I look at the front page right now and it had 1 thread about trolls and afks. The majority of threads I see pertain to nerf X, buff y, things like item/champion kit suggestions/changes, skins and lore, or team recruitment. That honestly makes up the vast majority of posts that I see. None of those would suggest at face value that people unhappy with the game. I don't see someone on the boards recruiting a team being a person that is unhappy with the game to the point of posting on the forums instead of playing.
Jubbinaut1 votesSomeone remind me to avoid using humor in LaceUp's future posts. Takes all the fun out of it to have the statement over-analyzed to the point of inanity.
That said, if you're referring to a person who can be viewed as synonymous with their job, it's perfectly reasonable to correlate a poll about the job as equivalent to a poll about the person doing the job. Hell, it's possible even if the people who participate in the poll don't make that correlation.
If a corporation were to take a poll regarding what people thought of their customer service, and received overwhelmingly negative responses, the responsibility for that concern would fall squarely on whoever was in charge of the customer service department, even if not a single person who took the poll knew his name.
In the same sense, a poll discussing people's thoughts on the direction of the U.S. Government would tend to be seen to reflect on the POTUS, regardless of whether or not he was referred to within the poll itself.
But seriously. It was a joke. Not necessarily a very funny one, but a joke nonetheless. It really didn't need this level of scrutiny.
LaceUp231 votesJudging from the comments, I would say people were actually judging the playerbase, not the person in charge. I do not recall a single comment being pointed at Lyte, but rather at the people that play the game. This is why I don't see it the same way.
Jubbinaut1 votesOf course they were judging the playerbase. But - as you've demonstrated with this very post - that's reflective of the Player Behavior systems. Which themselves are a reflection of the team who developed those systems. Which is a reflection of the head (or at least the "face") of that team. Which would be Lyte.
This is the same chain of logic that leads polls about increasing or decreasing crime rates to reflect on the local police - and thus the heads thereof.
All of which you understand full well, if I am to judge by your own inferences in making this post. As you said:
Lyte, using a very small sample size, it seems like the community thinks you are doing a shitty job.
I mean, you make that assumption in your opening statement here, but others can't do the same? How does that make a lick of sense?
LaceUp231 votesI might be thinking a little into this, but I don't see the connection with the police. I mean, police are pretty much respondents to crime. It isn't like they prevent it. Having a high crime area would be more indicative of the people in that area, not the police. Just my opinion.
Jubbinaut1 votesRegardless of what they're indicative of, they're reflective of the person who is tasked with addressing the situation.
LaceUp231 votesI don't really think the crime rate in Youngstown, Ohio is reflective whatsoever of the police force.
Jubbinaut1 votesWell that marks you as an outlier.
As for me, I don't see how one could not see it that way. After all, the purpose of the police force is to address crime - if criminals are running rampant, the police force obviously isn't doing a particularly effective job.
If your job is to do anything and that thing isn't being done, that's reflective of you. Even when it's something out of your hands. That's how the world works.
... And I just realized that I'm apparently also going to need to avoid using metaphors, anecdotes, and similes when speaking with you.
LaceUp231 votesI see it this way: A criminal commits a crime. The police are then there to try and address it. Not really prevention or anything. Applying it to League, I see people are "verbally abusing others", then tribunal (turned automated system) is then in charge of addressing it. This isn't Lyte's job. Lyte's job is to find a way to decrease toxicity. It isn't really a policeman's job to find a way to decrease crime. If someone walks into a starbucks and shoots people, you can't hold the police responsible lol.
So ya see, it isn't metaphor use that is the problem. It is my view on the metaphor that you used. Make sense?
Jubbinaut1 votesI see it this way: A criminal commits a crime. The police are then there to try and address it. Not really prevention or anything. Applying it to League, I see people are "verbally abusing others", then tribunal (turned automated system) is then in charge of addressing it. This isn't Lyte's job. Lyte's job is to find a way to decrease toxicity. It isn't really a policeman's job to find a way to decrease crime. If someone walks into a starbucks and shoots people, you can't hold the police responsible lol.
It's Lyte's job to address toxicity. Not necessarily decrease it. In much the same way, it's the police's job to address criminal activity. Not necessarily decrease it.
So ya see, it isn't metaphor use that is the problem. It is my view on the metaphor that you used. Make sense?
Actually, the problem is that you decided to over-complicate the entire discussion by focusing on over-analyzing a metaphor. Much like you've created the already-complicated situation by over-analyzing a joke.
I didn't expect you to follow that. The comment was more for my own benefit, anyway.