RIOT? Why do some champs use Mana and others are manaless?

Occams Raiser··2 votes·359 views

Anyone know Riots thought process when deciding whether to make a champ use mana or not. Some champs seem a little unbalanced at certain levels in the game as well as at certain levels of skill. Riven has no sustain but has crazy everything else. So you only need build to sustain while building to complement the gifts you have been given. This is an example and I know there are counters but why are lane bullies ok some times but not others? Many people (riot included) have said that Ren is a lane bully and most people will lose lane to him anyway. Kat gets banned in every ranked game I have played, if memory serves me. If she used mana but some was refunded with her cd on kills it seems like that would tame her without having to do a bunch of nerfs. Why does she use energy anyway is my main point. I was just curious. I don't read PBE boards and thought some others that read Riot direct post could shed some light.

How come no Marksman uses energy instead of mana? Why not an ammo system on abilities with low CD where their ult was "care package". It gives them a minor buff for a few seconds and refills all there ammo without returning to base. Is it taboo on a marksman while being par for the course on every other lane.

I was thinking one time that nothing Teemo does is magical. Why does he use mana? If he was truely the devil his power should be near limitless anyway. They nerfed him way to hard just for residing on the physical plane.

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It Hertz When IP2 votes

Manaless champs are designed to only be limited by their CDs.

Marksmen don't use energy because energy is intended for burst champions, which marksmen are not.

And LOL for Teemo.

Occams Raiser1 votes

Thanks on the Teemo.

It seems that they get a poke option when they are manaless. I have been in lanes with energy champs that trade with me. I will have to back eventually cause I can't match their cadence. I don't see them burst you down. I see them poke down and if you refuse to leave they burst you. In the beginning while there are some champs that have early mana restrictions, that is effectively a counter pick.

It Hertz When IP1 votes

I say energy is INTENDED for burst champions. This applies most in team fights; laning phase is a bit fuzzier and TBH the scales are fairly heavily tipped in energy users' advantage.

Occams Raiser1 votes

indeed

Kazaashi1 votes

Mana is used on champions that can front load all thier dmg, like LB. She can burst someone from 100-0 in 1.5 seconds, and do it again pretty soon after with her short CDs. However, if she tries to do it too many times, she'll be OOM and worthless.

Conversely, Riven gets All of her real dmg from Auto Attacks, due to her passive. Since all her power is dumped into her AA and AA are costless, mana doesn't make sense. Her abilitites aren't very strong on their own. Her stun is short and close range, her dashes are just a hair faster than walking with T2 boots.

If Riven were to get Mana, you would accutally see her skills become MORE powerful, to be on par with other abilites. Since she would also have to itemize for mana regen, which doesn't really exist on AD items, she wouldn't be a feast or famine, snowball champ. It would turn her into another top lane bruiser like the 50 others.

Occams Raiser1 votes

What about the assassins? I have seen Lee Sin and Regar play top. No one wants to lane mid against Kat or Zed if you are a Mage. All though I have little problem with ZED cause I play Heim. I think most are on the fence with when it comes to Yasuo.

Kazaashi1 votes

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What about the assassins? I have seen Lee Sin and Regar play top. No one wants to lane mid against Kat or Zed if you are a Mage. All though I have little problem with ZED cause I play Heim. I think most are on the fence with when it comes to Yasuo.

Take Malzahar against Kat. His ablilities wreck her.

I'm still trying to figure out the nuances between energy and mana. So someone with more experience in that area should comment.

Rengar's abilites are pretty lack luster without 5 combo points.

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