What is Lethality?

Elite4Runner··4 votes·14,934 views

Well, my theory was proven wrong, which kind of stinks in my opinion, but I'll live with it. Better off knowing the truth. See Edit below.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but Lethality seems to me to be Base Armor Penetration

This would essentially be the opposite of what Last Whisper item 3035 offers, Bonus Armor Penetration

Base Armor Penetration reduces the targets armor based on their current level, and Bonus Armor Penetration reduces the targets armor based on their items, runes, masteries, abilities, and/or buffs.

This means Base Armor Penetration, now called Lethality, is particularly strong at countering champions who do not build armor, such as ADCs, but is weak against champions who do, such as Tanks.

The intention of this is to make items that currently offer Armor Penetration item 3147 item 3142 less effective in the hands of ADCs, and giving them back to Assassins, as intended.

I believe that item 3156 is also having it's Armor Penetration replaced by Lethality, but I'm not sure that ADCs were abusing this so much. It may have still been an issue for Bruisers, or maybe it is just a result of item 3134's changes.

To my knowledge, item 3035, and the items it builds into will retain their Bonus Armor Penetration.

I'm curious about what effects this may or may not have on runes, masteries, and champion specific abilities that offer Armor Penetration as well.


Edit:

Someone commented on another post with this.

Lethality is still armor pen.

Its .4x + ((.6xy)/18) --------(Yes I know order of operations makes a lot of that unnecessary...its for clarity)

Where x = total lethality and y = target champion level.

Its exactly like old armor pen, but 60% of it scales with level rather than being part of the base.

~~If anyone can help to confirm or deny this I'd appreciate it. ~~ Thank you WOONSTRUCK

Links to Riot posts would be preferred http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/10/1018-pbe-update.html#balance

First thing under "Balance Changes" above the picture of the new Serrated Dirk.

~~(or a Red comment ... Fingers crossed) ~~ Maybe next time

18 Comments

Evewynn2 votes

That guy's formula is true.

Lethality is a nerf to early game armor pen, but a buff for late game. That's all you need to see it as.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Imagine zed late game with 1000 AD and full armor pen... Because that Zed buff has logic in it...

Evewynn3 votes

What? His ult passive doesn't match his current w passive until he kills a target with around 800 AD. I wouldn't call that broke, just forces the Zed to get kills or fall more behind than he currently does. Unless you're talking about something else.

Elite4Runner3 votes

This guy is just salty about all of the reworks. I bet you can probably guess what else they're upset about based on his summoner name.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

he gains perma AD from kills, PBE information. I don't know the skill names, but it's probly from ult, so he'll probly have ~1000 AD at 40th min and nobody will have a chance to stop him.

Evewynn3 votes

It doesn't stack, it only takes a percentage of the highest AD target you've killed during the game. It's definitely a nerf in most cases.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

What kind of a nerf? Gaining more AD? Take % from a 900 AD Jhin and say it's a nerf... please...

Evewynn3 votes

Jhin is the only case where Zed can possibly reach the value of %increase AD that his current W passive has.

He gets less AD in almost every case. It's a nerf. Why argue?

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

I'm sure it's a nerf... Later on Life he'll be a monster...

Elite4Runner3 votes

Um, ... this post has nothing to do with Zed, ... so kindly stay on topic please.

Thank you.

zrWQMdGHtY2 votes

I got jumped on it for it, so don't come on my brains

Nurgle Prophet1 votes

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I got jumped on it for it, so don't come on my brains

You weren't jumped for it, you were corrected because you said something wrong AND stupid.

This is getting jumped on by the way.

Mathematically speaking, it's a straight nerf against anyone with less than 500-600 AD.

Don't expect to not get called on when you try to spread misinformation

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

19 days ago

Nurgle Prophet1 votes

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19 days ago

Thread was still active, and being wrong and stupid has no validation date

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

19 days ago

P.S just because you disagree, doesn't make me wrong or stupid, but glad you decided to have lag and answer 19 days later with an offence.

Nurgle Prophet1 votes

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19 days ago

P.S just because you disagree, doesn't make me wrong or stupid, but glad you decided to have lag and answer 19 days later with an offence.

When you're empirically and mathematically wrong it's not disagreeing, it's just stupidity.

And again, the thread is still relevant because it was still in the hot page. When you mess up on the internet your mistake gets plastered for all to see.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

People like you is why I didn't post the 2 reworks of my tale today and the reason I'm ending it this month instead of April... Cheers.

Nurgle Prophet1 votes

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People like you is why I didn't post the 2 reworks of my tale today and the reason I'm ending it this month instead of April... Cheers.

Good. If your previous posts are of any indication, people like me are doing some good in the world

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