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This bullshit has to stop

PDE5 Inhibitors··128 votes·6,797 views

Get some dude in our game that is pissed about his last game. So what does he do? Instalocks mid AD Soraka (even though we already have a mid laner) and says, "I don't care, I'm troll".

Why do we not have a single way of dealing with this yet? But lord forbid you call him a troll, you will get slapped with a 14 day ban for "ruining his fun". It's completely idiotic. The vast majority of "toxicity" that I see comes from shit like this, but rather than actually trying to address the cause of it, you would just rather throw around chat bans to pretend like that's going to fix it. News flash, if it hasn't worked in the 3 years since Lyte has been doing it, it isn't going to magically start.

Not only do we not have a way of kicking this player from out match...but when he trolls in match he won't even be punished. The game will go something like this: Raka 0-5 by 3 mins cuz troll. He will say, "guys I'm sorry I'm doing badly this game". He will obviously get flammed since he is a dumb dumb business major. He will then "/all guys please report my team for flaming me just because I'm having a bad game" and rito, and this community, is dumb enough to punish the others for it. It's truly amazing how people can be so unintelligent.

Edit: This is exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about. These two duo fellas just trolled us the entire game, starting in champ select. "Please don't ban X" Ban X. "I want to play Y" First pick locks Y and says "lol sucks for you". Then the proceed to have a score of 5-26 combined and both of them literally say in chat "we are just here to troll lol" and "we are feeding :) ". I have their names. I will follow them on op.gg and I would be my last dollar there is no ranked bans or bans of any sort. Yet our Brand that was "being mean" for telling them to stop trolling will most def get a chat penalty.

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146 Comments

Randomonium28 votes

Those kind of trolls only avoid punishment if you let them outsmart you. Don't let them play the victim.

Also, you can report them for asking to report you because that's against the ToU.

I agree that we need a way to kick people in matchmaking, though my concern is that people will abuse it if someone picks non-meta or use it to queue dodge if they get counter picked or something.

If you actually propose a system and how it would work you're more likely to get attention from Riot.

PDE5 Inhibitors8 votes

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Those kind of trolls only avoid punishment if you let them outsmart you. Don't let them play the victim.

They avoid punishment because rito doesn't punish trolls. All they do is have to say, "sorry guys having bad game" and problem solved for them.

System: someone selects a role that is already selected, 2 week ban from ranked games.

Randomonium10 votes

I've seen these type of trolls get punished first hand, you are just allowing them to skate by because you're not asking them the right questions. Riot won't ban people unless there indisputable evidence they are a troll. The only way they can get that evidence is if you draw it out of the troll with smart questions. Ask them why they are going mid. Ask them why they are building AD on Soraka. Etc etc etc. You'd be surprised what these idiots will say because they think they won't get banned.

How does the system detect that the role is already taken? How does the system know the person is trolling rather than a simple miscommunication?

Mistress Madoka2 votes

THere's already a fix coming in, I think you'll like it.

It's called "New Champion Select" and it hits NA and TR Tomorrow

PDE5 Inhibitors3 votes

inb4 people que up for support for shorter que times and just go whatever lane they'd like.

saihLfVQ344 votes

whoa, calm down, I can taste the salt from here.

PDE5 Inhibitors4 votes

Cool?

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

Called it! I've already seen plenty of people talking about how players are doing this lolol.

Blue Socialist1 votes

Automatic system will catch up to them eventually. Lyte did mention that position trolls would be dealt with if they became a problem https://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/132587652034?utm_campaign=answer_own&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter#_=_

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

And how will an automatic system tell if the players decided to switch roles in champ select?

Blue Socialist1 votes

They wouldn't report each other for switching roles.

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

No. I mean a player just stealing someone else's role. A system isn't going to be able to determine the difference between that and players just switching roles.

Blue Socialist1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/y1VttssE-teambuilder-was-the-best-thing?comment=00100003000000090000

Also note that the mastery system takes into account the position you went and stuff. It's not too hard to get something going to figure it out. It's like saying it's impossible to tell that a player is intentionally feeding.

cheezeoflegends1 votes

Well that's easier to punish than in a Blind Pick theoretically because there is code there indicating what role they queued in for and and such. I'd imagine a more severe penalty should be implemented for queuing for something then auto-locking another role in lobby.

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

Players can switch roles in lobby.

Wild Wes13 votes

IT'S BECAUSE DIAMOND PEOPLE LIKE UBERDANGER PLAY AD SORAKA AND START KILLING PEOPLE WITH BANANAS

PDE5 Inhibitors5 votes

No, I'm not talking about someone playing something because they say some high elo dude doing it. I'm talking about someone picking the most troll thing they can think of.

NichtHurz13 votes

I just don't let myself being pushed to be toxic. Why should I give a f*** for this person and even let my effort to flame him get me punished? I'll report him, I'll talk to him, but I just won't flame him. There's no benefit in it for me, I don't feel better after flaming him cause it makes me rage even more and makes him write bullshit in chat.

Don't give those people this power over yourself, cause that's what you are doing.

I still support some kind of mechanic to get rid of people who start being toxic or call a troll game in championselect, those people are insanely annoying, but that's why you shouldn't give them the power to make you the dumb one in the end.

Don't flame. Ever.

PDE5 Inhibitors2 votes

Other than it completely wasting your time.

cause that's what you are doing.

Nope, never been punished.

NichtHurz2 votes

Well, then you're fine. Of course I get angry or even rage about this guy if it's going really bad, but I won't respond to it ingame.

PDE5 Inhibitors4 votes

I respond to it in game :) I just say things that aren't punisable. For example, the worst possible insult is calling someone a business major, but it's not punishable :D

GrumpyButtercup1 votes

[{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=jsVOLEvh,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-13T16:50:23.540+0000)

I respond to it in game :) I just say things that aren't punisable. For example, the worst possible insult is calling someone a business major, but it's not punishable :D

You misspelled 'Liberal Arts Major'

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

Liberal Arts Major > Business Major.

GrumpyButtercup1 votes

Spoken like a true Liberal Arts Major. I doubt you could pass a business school statistics class.

I mean you did make this hilariously bad thread with a mouthful of salt. I wouldn't expect much from your observed behavior.

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

I doubt you could pass a business school statistics class.

You do realize that everyone takes business classes as electives when they don't want to take writing intensive courses, right?

GrumpyButtercup1 votes

You do realize what a business statistics class is right? No one takes that class as an elective.

Hurr durr. There are easy classes found everywhere. I guess you never learned about using anecdotals.

Toodles simpleton. summoner 4

Project omen4 votes

Agreed. A decent percentage of flaming and toxicity comes from people that troll/intentionally feed, and Riot has to understand that. Yes, we shouldn't flame, but we shouldn't troll either. And I don't see the second thing being punished. Maybe I am the bad guy too because I flamed at the troll because he wasted at least 30 minutes of my time, but the fact that I get punished for verbal abuse (no punishment for me yet though, maybe because I don't swear a lot), while the troll gets away with it will not make me flame less or the troll stop trolling. And if Riot ends up banning me for verbal abuse, then I can assure the people working in there that I will not miss the game at all.

PDE5 Inhibitors2 votes

I just don't get how they aren't smart enough to understand it. 1 troll ruins a game. Gets people punished for "toxic". Goes into the next game. Gets more people punished. Goes into the next game..and so on and so on. Wouldn't it make sense to just remove the problem in the first place?

Last time I checked, we don't treat cancer by treating the symptoms.

Project omen3 votes

It's a matter of psychology, really. Watch the average patient person get pissed off from another person. He will suppress his feelings long enough, sure, but eventually he will break. Now take that into consideration when playing League. The same person might not get pissed off or flame at the troll, but chances are he will keep that frustration for his next games, bombarding his teammates at their slightest mistake. And don't give me the "stop playing for an hour in order to settle down" thing, people. Not all of us have a lot of free time.

PDE5 Inhibitors3 votes

Simple ranked bans for trolls can fix a lot of the problems. It's really not that complicated. They have so many systems in place to help the ranked gameplay. A) Only can play a champ in ranked you have X amount of mastery with. Stops people from yolo picking a champ because they saw it in LCS. B) If you select a role that is already taken without team approval, 2 week ranked ban. Games just got THAT much better with these simple steps.

Urgonnalearn2day1 votes

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It's a matter of psychology, really. Watch the average patient person get pissed off from another person. He will suppress his feelings long enough, sure, but eventually he will break. Now take that into consideration when playing League. The same person might not get pissed off or flame at the troll, but chances are he will keep that frustration for his next games, bombarding his teammates at their slightest mistake. And don't give me the "stop playing for an hour in order to settle down" thing, people. Not all of us have a lot of free time.

It's a circle of trolling; riot hasn't figured it out yet.

You know that pass a good deed forward thing? Yeah it happens with negativity too.

Lyte should go protest a Trump rally then come tell us how he feels.

DrCyanide3 votes

I always wonder what the actual percentages are for trolls/afks in a persons games are. People are so quick to say "I wouldn't flame if there weren't trolls in my games", but I look at my own games and I very rarely run into trolls (once a month? if even that), but I run into flamers far more frequently.

"Why don't we have a recourse?"

Well, if your rate of encountering a troll is similar to mine, isn't one dodge a month enough recourse? Take a screenshot, send in the support ticket, and dodge.

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

Yeah, Lyte also said <1% of players were considered toxic.

DrCyanide1 votes

I thought his number was larger than 1%. Regardless, even that sounds close to par for what I see, one person being reportably toxic every 10 games or so.

Nu632 votes

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PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

2nd grade math must have been rough.

x No Heart3 votes

[{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=jsVOLEvh,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2016-01-13T17:11:00.048+0000)

Yeah, Lyte also said <1% of players were considered toxic.

He hosted a lecture about the statistics of League behavior. One of the portions illustrated how easily it is to be put in a "toxic" game. It was pretty convincing, I'm inclined to believe it's true.

Every game has ten players. One guy has a bad day, but he's not toxic, just handling his emotions poorly. Ruins a game for two or three other people with his chat behavior. That can easily cause somebody else to have a bad day (of League). For every player having a bad day, there are nine players that play a game with that person each time they queue up. The amount of people one bad day can affect is immense, which is why some people feel like "there are trolls every game."

PDE5 Inhibitors1 votes

You mean the talk where he claimed to fix toxicity by changing the font color of the loading screen?

x No Heart2 votes

[{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=jsVOLEvh,comment-id=0007000000010000,timestamp=2016-01-14T04:01:34.291+0000)

You mean the talk where he claimed to fix toxicity by changing the font color of the loading screen?

Yep, that's the same lecture, although he didn't claim to fix it...he just said there were some interesting correlations between behaviors and colors/tips. Anyhow, I don't see how you haven't humanized people if you're as frustrated as you say. It's by far the easiest solution.

That's just my opinion, though. I'm sure I'm not saying anything you haven't heard, but I hope you knock the fucking thing over and say "oh man, I made a swimming pool out of my glass of water!"

Bob the Toastr3 votes

Gone like 2 seasons and tons of new champions, content updates, marksman/juggernaut updates, map update, etc. but still no tribunal update.....

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

NO. You don't get banned for ruining their fun. You get banned for retaliating to someone who's getting banned anyway.

PDE5 Inhibitors5 votes

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someone who's getting banned anyway.

Lol.

Daddy Space Lion2 votes

[{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=jsVOLEvh,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2016-01-13T17:13:34.371+0000)

Lol.

You live in a world where 99.9% people are conformists and .1% are artists. The very words "truth" and "intelligence" do not apply to a hive mind of ignorant bliss. You will never get through to these lower genealogical reactive machines with your intellectual discourses because they have no mental acuity let alone intellectual integrity. They consume, they complain and they confuse. That's the trinity of Ignorance.

Berry Lemonade1 votes

Of fuck I thought this was /r/iamverysmart for a second

Akeydel1 votes

thanks for the copypasta

marco3612312 votes

I believe that there should be a votekick for anyone who autolocks, all 4 people on team agree to kick him and the game will have to find another person. Its unfair to the rest of the team to waste 20 min of their free time to these kids.

KaisadiIIa2 votes

"Oops, their team really counters us, let's kick someone so we can freely dodge this game"

"You want to play Quinn mid? We haven't seen that on LCS so bye bye"

"30 mins through champ selects and still haven't started a game because people were busy kicking each other. I'll play a normal/a hearthstone game instead."

CIit Yeastwood2 votes

I play off-meta supports all the damn time so get your "haven't seen it on LCS" crap out of here and stop acting like people play like that. They don't. Kthanks.

Second of all, I guess you can't read but he said autolocks. It's not that hard to have a system that detects a pick in a second or less, and allows you to kick them if it was a troll pick.

I guess you have to have an IQ above 10 to actually read though instead of just spew nonsense onto the boards.

GrumpyButtercup2 votes

New champ select makes champ pick in <1 second normal nowadays.

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